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Penal Legion. Impossible not to compare to the last chancers, and so boring/bad compared to them.

 ElfdarAutarch wrote:
People would think it would be guardians, but since 6th edition it would be the Vyper. It's all fine and dandy to have a fast skimmer with a heavy weapon, but it just dies way to easy now that glancing stuff to death is very viable. In my last game it got slugga'd to death. On its front armor. With a 4+ cover save.

Heh, that's my experience with rokkit buggies as well. Like the Vyper, they're remnants of a bygone era when a single heavy weapon could spell doom for any armored vehicle, so three S:8 TL shots mounted on a fast platform were credible enough a threat to be worth using as a distraction. Now best I can hope is to scratch a HP or two, so they mostly get ignored, at least until the last of my trukks has been destroyed.

As for the most underwhelming, it's probably the deffdread. The thing's meant to be the epitome of stompiness, but has hard time making it to combat, let alone surviving it.

Chaos Warp Talons. Sure I can get dual lightning claws jump infantry, but I find that lack of grenades really hurts them. Their blind rule is pretty cool, but you'll only get it off on accident because nobody in their right mind will deep strike that close. Their points cost puts them one point below buying terminators, so their usefulness is debatable.

Mandrakes

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 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Mandrakes

/thread

Yeah...we usually play " what do your mandrakes count as?" Awesome models but they're just terrible.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Mythra wrote:
Spore mines you can at least deep strike them to deny them placement in terrain or deny them the quad gun. They go down 1st.

Don't they pretty much guarantee giving the first blood VP to your opponent?

No, they don't count towards any objectives. (Rather are always ignored for any and all mission objectives)

I would say:

Eldar - Shining Spears. There are MANY outmoded and basically useless units in the Eldar codex in 6th ed but it is the cost of these one-shot wonders that makes me pick them. They can be devastating in assault but are pretty easy to kill and almost certain to die after one attack.

Tyranids - another codex that has its share of junk in 6th ed. With overwatch the poor armour ratings of nids make assault units pretty poor. Imagine the mess three mutually supporting units of 10 fire warriors could make of a unit of raveners with 60 S5 shots against their armour... However, I am going to stick with the old favourite pyrovores. They are pointless, and expensive to buy which means I bet they sell hardly any.

Grey Knights - I personally think most of the Inquistorial henchmen are pointless. If I had to settle on one unit that is not worth bothering in this codex it would likely be interceptors. The teleport is ok but a one-off jump that moves what is basically a unit of tac marines is not really worth the points.

CSM - surely mutilators, an assault unit with slow and purposeful and the I of an asthmatic aardvark?

Isengard wrote:


CSM - surely mutilators, an assault unit with slow and purposeful and the I of an asthmatic aardvark?

Inititive 4's not bad at all, can be boosted to 5 with MoS. Have a look at the tactica in my sig for an argument on how to use Mutilators effectively.

Isengard wrote:
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They are pointless, and expensive to buy which means I bet they sell hardly any.

Mostly as a conversion kit for Biovores.

Isengard wrote:
I would say:



Grey Knights - I personally think most of the Inquistorial henchmen are pointless. If I had to settle on one unit that is not worth bothering in this codex it would likely be interceptors. The teleport is ok but a one-off jump that moves what is basically a unit of tac marines is not really worth the points.

You know Interceptors are also Jump Infantry right? Being able to jump around using Warpquake is far, far from underwhelming.

Isengard wrote:
Grey Knights - I personally think most of the Inquistorial henchmen are pointless. If I had to settle on one unit that is not worth bothering in this codex it would likely be interceptors. The teleport is ok but a one-off jump that moves what is basically a unit of tac marines is not really worth the points.

I think my mind just caved in a little. These are some of the best parts of the codex. Assassins(not the Vindicare) and Purgation squads are the black holes of the dex.

Interceptors instantly close the gap for codex: 24" or shunt away to auto contest/cap an objective.

the shunt move is 30" , and you can also run after that if you are still not in range


and OT, i think the most underwhelming unit is valeria in the gk codex, there are so many other stuff that does what she does better for less points (even if she does anything).

Tau: Vespids.
Tyranids. Warriors, biovores, pyrovores
Chaos: Warptalons, Maulerfiends
Eldar: Warlock squad, shining spears, falcon, phoenix lords

For Dark Angels, I'd go for the Nephilim Jetfighter, Dark Talon for being way overpriced, the Land Speeder Vengeance for being flawed in principle by mounting such an expensive weapon on a fragile platform.

Or veterans, as they serve no role which other units do, much much better. If they could take upgrades or wargear with a substantial discount they would be viable but otherwise, nah.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Mandrakes

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Yup. A real shame.

 Red Viper wrote:

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Mandrakes

/thread

Yup. A real shame.

Why are mandrakes considered so bad?
(I've never read the DE codex)

 Selym wrote:

 Red Viper wrote:

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Mandrakes

/thread

Yup. A real shame.

Why are mandrakes considered so bad?
(I've never read the DE codex)

Pyrovore syndrome.

 Kain wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 Red Viper wrote:

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Mandrakes

/thread

Yup. A real shame.

Why are mandrakes considered so bad?
(I've never read the DE codex)

Pyrovore syndrome.

I also have not read the 'nids codex...

 Selym wrote:

 Red Viper wrote:

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Mandrakes

/thread

Yup. A real shame.

Why are mandrakes considered so bad?
(I've never read the DE codex)

 Ascalam wrote:
DE: Mandrakes/ Kaedruakk (or whatever) the Decapitator.

mandrakes have Awesomesauce models, but an infiltrating CC unit that doesn't even get a ranged attack until they kill someone, and which on;y has regular CC weapons, no armour and only a 5+ inv?

Not so hot.

-snip-

Ascalam says it all, really. And yes, a pity because they are awesome looking models.

Ogryns. Why just why?

Vanilla Assault Marines.

Grots

the swooping hawks

Grotesques. 35pts and they kill your own guys without an IC. Crap leadership and , though there is a high chance of wounding and winning a combat, their armour save is just pitiful, and their wounds don't make up for it. They require a Haemonculus (Ancient pref.) or Urien Rakarth to make their points back, and even then, if your Haemy gets challenged by a decent killy character, you're Grotesques are dead in the water..

Devastators in space marines
Flash Gitz in orks
and
vespides as tau.


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Vivster wrote:
Grots

Grots can be pretty useful if used correctly.

 Nafarious wrote:
Devastators in space marines

I dispute that. As a CSM payer, devastator squads have proven to be a pretty large problem.

Wouldn't even blink an eyelash at scouts or assault marines, though.

 Selym wrote:

 Nafarious wrote:
Devastators in space marines

I dispute that. As a CSM payer, devastator squads have proven to be a pretty large problem.

Wouldn't even blink an eyelash at scouts or assault marines, though.

Never get into a shootout with devastators... You will lose.

And never charge devastators, if you fail you will get pasted repeatedly courtesy of lascannons and plasma cannons.

Devestator's problem is not that they don't work, it's what you pay to get them and the other options they compeate with.

There is a diference between underwhelming and useless.

Guardians, Combatfexes, Pyrovores, Mandrakes, Grotesques, Praetorians, Leman Russ Vanquishers, Special Weapon Squads, Mutilators, Devestators, Assault Marines, Chapter Masters, Stormboyz... The list continues :(

Tyranids : Rippers & Shrieks, both gets chewed appart faster than a hamburger at a late nigth party.

Space Wolves : Iron Priests, Lone wolfs & Lukas The Trickster.