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Attach a basic one of these to Shrike and an outflanking Assault Squad and you will auto-win a lot of games. I think keeping this guy cheap and using an outflanking unit to get him in the backfield is the way to go. The Typhoon ML is a poor choice as the utility of having a S4 blast is lost on a vehicle that can move 12" and shoot everything. The Skyhammer seems to be the best weapon option but 155 is a little too much considering it loses twin-linked and is effectively a 24" and +2 strength buff; it isn't bad but I'm not sure if the weapon is worth the price considering the automatic TL Assault Cannon.

I think you outflank it however possible and shred infantry/side armor with the stock loadout. With both weapons being twin-linked you are always going to hit 5/7 of your shots and often will get all 7; that should wreak some havoc. The psychological impact of that thing in your opponent's backfield in mid/late game is huge too.

http://lkhero.blogspot.com/2012/05/new-40k-flyers-incoming.html


Found some rules for it from the WD, hope this isnt too late

Kinda late, check the thread about Autmn of Fliers.

Oh whoops sorry about that.

It's ok. I'm sorry about my lame spelling... stupid tablet keyboard...

I say lame duck.
It looks like it could look ok, and then they strapped too many guns on it. Why does the oversize turret have landing gear? It seems like it could be an interesting addition to a fast army, but I just don't like how it looks.

DakkaHammer wrote:I say lame duck.
It looks like it could look ok, and then they strapped too many guns on it. Why does the oversize turret have landing gear? It seems like it could be an interesting addition to a fast army, but I just don't like how it looks.

I can appreciate your opinion on the model's aesthetics but, as this is in the tactics section, this thread concerns how the Stormtalon functions in game; please keep conversation in this thread on such a topic.

I have been mulling over the value of the skyhammer for 25 points and, if in an outflanking role, I think it really isn't worth it. It gives you some flexibility with range but the assault cannon is still the best weapon on the vehicle so a poor outflank should probably be spent boosting 36" towards your intended target. It seems like the weapon options only make sense if you have the stormtalon in a defensive role. With that said, a landspeeder typhoon does the same defensive role better for 65 less points. Of course the stormtalon's assault cannon is more of a deterrent than a typhoon's heavy bolter but with the extreme points cost I just don't see it being worth it.

It just looks overpriced to me. Ceramite plating isn't much of an issue, melta weapons still pen it on a 4+ on 1D6. Krak missiles also pen it for that matter. Autocannons do even more damage. AV11 is a crappy AV value to hang out at. Every army out there is packing heat to smoke AV11 targets because the current meta is rhino/razorback heavy. A 130-155 point AV11 target that won't be able to find cover is the very definition of glass cannon. The ork AV 10 jets are more durable because of a KFF, and the Necron AV11 scythes can be backed up with night fighting. The AV11 Chibitalon may as well come with a standardized white paint job with red concentric circles on it.

Considering its a Flyer it will probably be alot more durable then its AV11 says it will be.

Currently, Flyers are only ever hit on a 6 for shooting attacks regardless of BS. AA mounts are the only thing that hits on normal BS. If this translates directly into the 6th edition rules it will be a very durable ship. And it makes going into hover mode more risky but rewarding.

Flyers are also required to move a great distance. If this also directly translates the Stormtalon will have a Flat Out cover save(assuming this survives the edition change)



Even if this doesn't work, if the Stormtalon takes Skyhammer missiles and stays at max range it can be pretty durable. More so then Typhoon Speeders who arn't all that easy to kill at long range. And Skyhammer missiles out range everything except Railguns and Battle Cannons.

OK, so you have for 155pts a better armored landspeeder. You have a 4 shot 24" weapon combined with a 3 shot 60" weapon. But unlike the Landspeeder you cannot start on the board. Also It must be placed in reserve with Another unit. So you are keeping 2 units off the board just for the right to play with this model.

I am not impressed with this at all. The only role I see it performing ok with is with a White Scars list. And that is questionable. If it could start on the board I would be a lot more impressed with it.

Hydras are gonna love these.

jbunny wrote:OK, so you have for 155pts a better armored landspeeder. You have a 4 shot 24" weapon combined with a 3 shot 60" weapon. But unlike the Landspeeder you cannot start on the board. Also It must be placed in reserve with Another unit. So you are keeping 2 units off the board just for the right to play with this model.

I am not impressed with this at all. The only role I see it performing ok with is with a White Scars list. And that is questionable. If it could start on the board I would be a lot more impressed with it.

Nothing's forcing you to keep it in reserves.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

jbunny wrote:OK, so you have for 155pts a better armored landspeeder. You have a 4 shot 24" weapon combined with a 3 shot 60" weapon. But unlike the Landspeeder you cannot start on the board. Also It must be placed in reserve with Another unit. So you are keeping 2 units off the board just for the right to play with this model.

I am not impressed with this at all. The only role I see it performing ok with is with a White Scars list. And that is questionable. If it could start on the board I would be a lot more impressed with it.

Nothing's forcing you to keep it in reserves.

I was led to believe that it must be held in reserve. Even starting on the board I think it is questionable at best.

I wrote a bit about this comparing it to the other FA choices in the SM book. I think it could be useful in certain lists, but not in your generic ultramarines type list. Check it! http://www.3forint.com/2012/05/stormtalon-why-do-you-want-it.html

ShumaGorath wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Praxiss wrote:What is the current fetish with making all ne space marines vehicle immune to Melta?

You'd be immune to Meltas too if you were capable of survivable atmospheric entry.

You mean like every eldar, dark eldar, and necron flyer? Several IG planes too, the maurader for instance. In fact, why isn't the drop pod immune, it's clearly the most in need. Meltas don't even work that way, if they were immune to directed thermal energy then lasers and flamers wouldn't work. Meltas are some kind of weird microwave beam that functions dissimilarly from accruing heat via friction.

"Atmospheric entry" is badly applied handwavium for these vehicles.

The drop pod takes all it heat on the underside, so that would be the immune to melta portion. However since it lands on it's bottom, there's no need for an immune to melta rule. The Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo capsules took most of the heat from reentry on the bottom.

ShumaGorath wrote:The sky talon is pretty terrible, not being able to switch it's assault canon for a reasonably ranged weapon means that its 11 armor can't dart around at a standoff distance and it's wasting the ranged potential of all its other guns. What is the point of this thing? It fills absolutely no role that isn't better filled by a land speeder squadron. If it could switch its assault canon for a missile upgrade or it's HB for multi meltas then maybe I could see a use for it, but it's just painfully bad psyfleman fodder like this.

Well, it appears that the Skytalon is a strange new fiyer with an assault cannon that can't be switched.

I guess its a FA unit, isin't it?

If so, it will compete with Tornados that are pretty good for their pt value.

wuestenfux wrote:I guess its a FA unit, isin't it?

If so, it will compete with Tornados that are pretty good for their pt value.

I think the standard Stormtalon Gunship is far superior to the Landspeeder Tornado. For 40 extra points you twin-link both of your weapons, get +1 AV to all facings, an improved flat-out, and (most importantly) the ability to move 12" and shoot both weapons; if you favor lone Landspeeder Tornado models I think switching them out for this is a no-brainer.

The choice gets difficult when you favor the Typhoon as the Stormtalon only fills a similar role by upping its points to 155; this is far too expensive in my opinion.

I'm planning on keeping my two Typhoons and dropping my Thunderfire Cannon, and some unit upgrades to get a stock Stormtalon in my list. I'm going to piggyback it on Shrike and his outflanking Assault Squad to get it into the backfield.

SonicPara wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:I guess its a FA unit, isin't it?

If so, it will compete with Tornados that are pretty good for their pt value.

I think the standard Stormtalon Gunship is far superior to the Landspeeder Tornado. For 40 extra points you twin-link both of your weapons, get +1 AV to all facings, an improved flat-out, and (most importantly) the ability to move 12" and shoot both weapons; if you favor lone Landspeeder Tornado models I think switching them out for this is a no-brainer.

The choice gets difficult when you favor the Typhoon as the Stormtalon only fills a similar role by upping its points to 155; this is far too expensive in my opinion.

I'm planning on keeping my two Typhoons and dropping my Thunderfire Cannon, and some unit upgrades to get a stock Stormtalon in my list. I'm going to piggyback it on Shrike and his outflanking Assault Squad to get it into the backfield.

Could also be a Landspeeder Storm to piggyback a Storm Talon. As said above, the 6th edition may eventually make this new filyer more worthwhile.

wuestenfux wrote:
Could also be a Landspeeder Storm to piggyback a Storm Talon. As said above, the 6th edition may eventually make this new filyer more worthwhile.

Yes, I've thought of that but since both vehicles cannot be squadroned that means you are tying up two fast attack slots in a fairly underwhelming one-two punch. It would be super fun and cool looking but I think there are better things to use to piggyback the Stormtalon into outflank.

I think the Stormtalon is worthwhile in a select few cases as it stands now but, as you mentioned, 6th edition may really make it great.

I just got my WD.


I basically see no reason to ever run it with Typhoon Missiles as they are the same cost as the Skyhammer missiles.

There are 3 ways I can see running it. Naked, as an anti-infantry vehicle. With the TL-lascannon to take out vehicles. and with Skyhammer missiles to kinda do both.


The Skyhammer missile version will probably be best in an army that gets close fast to take pressure off the Stormtalons(and because you probably arn't taking much Fast Attack)



I will say that I'm jealous of the Ork flyers. They are rediclous. The Dakkajet has an effective BS of 3 at all times.

The skyhammer is basically an AC with 3 shot and a 60" range. Against MEQ, AV12+, and MC with a 3+ save the 2 S8 AP3 shots will out perform the 3 S7 AP4 shots. It would also be a more reliable way to force pinning tests on MEQ.

I really like the idea of the storm talon, especially with the lascannons. BS5 lascannons that are twin linked seems really fun, and hopefully can take things down reliably.

The skyhammer is a little lackluster Imho, but I dont really like autocannons anyways. I think this thing could do good if you have other things moving forward, say, a land raider filled with TH/SS terminators that so many lists take.

Although this is my opinion about it, so I may (probably) be wrong.

What I can't figure out is why it seems most people are drooling the most over the skyhammer missiles?

For the same points cost you can take the typhoon option which is better against either armor or massed troops with its 2 choices of ammo. By being better at both it compliments the TL ass cannon to form a more reliable loadout for any situation.

Now I just have to wait and see if my Dark Angels will get access to some variant of this craft. My guess is that 6th edition FAQ's that come out at the release of 6th will open this up to more armies, possibly with adjusted points costs and rules based on a months worth of feedback GW is receiving.

the 60" range is a nice advantage.

That outranges 90% of all weaponry you will encounter. Only Railguns, Battle Cannons, and a few other ordinance weapons can match that.

Str7 is very good at killing transports. the ability to do that from accross the board at potentially BS5 is pretty powerful.

Grey Templar wrote:the 60" range is a nice advantage.

That outranges 90% of all weaponry you will encounter. Only Railguns, Battle Cannons, and a few other ordinance weapons can match that.

Str7 is very good at killing transports. the ability to do that from accross the board at potentially BS5 is pretty powerful.

60" range is kinda wasted though, the 48" on the Typhoon is more than enough, especially as you can move and shoot.

schadenfreude wrote:The skyhammer is basically an AC with 3 shot and a 60" range. Against MEQ, AV12+, and MC with a 3+ save the 2 S8 AP3 shots will out perform the 3 S7 AP4 shots. It would also be a more reliable way to force pinning tests on MEQ.

Would it not be better to compare the two weapons to AV 10/11? Since you can drop the stormtalon within 6" of a drop pod, it should be pretty easy to line up side or rear shots.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but... For the escort ability, didn't the June WD specifically say that it *couldn't* escort a unit coming from deep strike? It has a list of restrictions, and iirc that was one of them. (I don't have the mag to hand, so can't confirm).

Thus, it could only escort a unit coming in from reserves, and its entry location had to be within 6" of the escort unit's entry point.

Either way, it looks like a Boss, and I'll pick one up. Fun times on the table will tell me if it's any good

Well, escorting is useful for a shooty tank if it carries short-ranged weapons like an assault cannon. Another use is contesting in the enemy's backfield.

I'm guessing thsi might be one of those thgins that makes a lot more sense when 6th ed come out (mayeb the reserves rules will be chaning so you can choose tables edges or something).

Praxiss wrote:I'm guessing thsi might be one of those thgins that makes a lot more sense when 6th ed come out (mayeb the reserves rules will be chaning so you can choose tables edges or something).

Yep. Today the stormtalon looks like trash with wings. In 2 months, it might be pretty f'ing awesome.