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He's not undead, no, but the Shamblers unit is.

No Gatorman Posse will be a tough tier. Guess it depends on those Alexia style fish....

Still, his feat seems pretty amazing. And my Frogs and Totem Hunter are really liking that speed...

Four units of Ambushing Bog Trogs and Six Advance Deploying, Advace Moving Croak Hunters. This is possibly the single fastest army out there, maybe even faster than Shae.

ArchAngel stats are now published in the NQ magazine, here's a spoiler pic. Click on the image to zoom in in the gallery:



My Legion friend is underwhelmed, but as I've grown to love the Mountain King, I think they will, too

Yeah, it just seems a bit under-whelming for 20 points. It will definitely be a glass cannon.

P+S 19 head attack with consume, 2 P+S 17 open fists, pow 14 aoe strafe attacks with crit fire, ride by attack and the usual Legion eyeless sight, blood creation and soulless. Yeah, I think Legion players just like to complain. It's not an auto include but it is a strong model.

I just think Gargantuans are just a little less powerful than their Colossal counterparts due to the nature of Fury vs Focus. It seems Gargantuans really start to shine at 50 point levels where all the other faction toys synergize with them.

Well, I think the main problem with it is that some of it's abilities are kind of useless. Consume on a p+s19? What small based model is going to live through that anyway? The animus is basically useless. And it doesn't have the kind of boxes that you would expect a 20 point model to have. As I said, it is definitely a glass cannon and will lay the hurt on things that it can engage. Especially with buffs. But the trade off on survivability is a bit too much imo.
It will definitely fit in some lists and is definitely the coolest looking out of all of them. So there is that

It would bypass tough. Not much else beside that.

Yeah. Gonna be mean to bane thralls.

I feel silly for not recognizing righteous flames as being off eFeora. It's a neat model guess, but everyone and their dog wants to play Legion in my group so I probably won't be picking them up any time soon.

Consume The Book.

Consume also removes from play, and certain pieces like invincible Paladins under Villimon can be consumed. It's situational but it can be helpful. I don't think Archangel is great, but its good and has uses, but it is also competing with cheaper beasts in the Legion list that are really good in themselves. I think that's Mountain King's biggest problem too, many Troll beasts do what it does cheaper.

12thRonin wrote:
It would bypass tough. Not much else beside that.

Also one-shots lesser warlocks like Wrong-Eye or Rorsch.

46 wounds, DEF11, ARM18...I honestly don't know what to think about this gargantuan. We're looking at some real extremes here: low wound, high movement (for a gargantuan), high P+S, but honestly has just as much chance to box your own models as your enemies given it's threshold.

At the moment it doesn't look like it will synergize as well as other gargantuans due to the inability to boost its movement further through conventional Legion means. Then there's the 20pt cost...

 Laughing Man wrote:

12thRonin wrote:
It would bypass tough. Not much else beside that.

Also one-shots lesser warlocks like Wrong-Eye or Rorsch.

Well, not wrong-eye since he is medium based, but Rorsch gets eaten. As does Vilmon and lesser warbeasts. Consume isn't great but it has a few tricks.

Can someone explain to me why the animus is terrible? It seems like it would be perfect for keeping Archangel from getting surrounded and tied up by infantry, but everybody so far seems to universally think it's a horrible animus. Am I missing something here?

 Mr. Grey wrote:
Can someone explain to me why the animus is terrible? It seems like it would be perfect for keeping Archangel from getting surrounded and tied up by infantry, but everybody so far seems to universally think it's a horrible animus. Am I missing something here?

If the infantry manages to kill Archangel before the turn is over, it does nothing. Considering the only time you'll want to charge something that big with infantry is when you're bound to kill it, it's not helpful.

The Animus will discourage you from trying to piece meal the Arch Angel, but also it takes so long for that damage to happen. Your opponent ends his turn there and gets set on fire. Now your turn and the opponents figs are all still there. It's not until their Next turn that they Might die. I'd say the Animus either needs to be;
1.) End your Movement within 2" and get set on Fire
or
B.) End your Activation within 2" take a pow12 and get set on Fire.

Option A means you're going to suffer that fire even if you manage to kill it. Option 2 gives you a chance to avoid fiery death, but if you don't kill it in one, you're gonna suffer some immediate pain.

can it actually do a ride-by-strafe? I thought ride by attack only allows a normal mellee/ranged attack

 Thanatos73 wrote:
P+S 19 head attack with consume, 2 P+S 17 open fists, pow 14 aoe strafe attacks with crit fire, ride by attack and the usual Legion eyeless sight, blood creation and soulless. Yeah, I think Legion players just like to complain. It's not an auto include but it is a strong model.

Eh. By your own admission it not only has to compete with Legion heavies, but also the fact that it loses access to a lot of spells/feats, as well as some of the tricks Legion beasts use to stay alive (cover, hiding behind forests, etc.). With those factors to consider it really comes down to how badly you need the AA's jambalaya of abilities rather than just taking two heavies and a fury management solo, and for a lot of Legion warlocks the answer is "not much for the tradeoffs."

I don't want to write it off until I at least proxy it, but when I think of lists for it I'm thinking of warlocks like pLylyth and Rhyas, neither of whom are top-shelf locks by a long shot.

I just think Gargantuans are just a little less powerful than their Colossal counterparts due to the nature of Fury vs Focus. It seems Gargantuans really start to shine at 50 point levels where all the other faction toys synergize with them.

Even at 50 none of the Gargs we've seen make a good argument for themselves. I feel like PP needed to make them so Hordes players wouldn't feel left out of the huge base fun, but like with battle engines they haven't been able to execute on them in a way that doesn't make you feel like you're going out of your way to play one.

So far I've played against one Mountain King and one Wold Wrath.

I Pistol Wraithed the Wold Wrath repeatedly and all it managed to do was kill five Bloodgorgers, on Pistol Wraith and contest a flag for one turn before the remaining Blood Gorgers and Gerlak took it down.

The Mountain King acted as a solid target for Sure Foot, giving the bonus to an entire unit of Fenn Blades which was Super Annoying, and would then throw a Fenn Blade a turn to get it to the Objective if they managed to Tough the impact (a vastly humorous and surprisingly effective strategy). It was killed almost solo by pAsphyxious on his Feat turn in melee, except he needed Saxyn Orrik to deal the final finishing blow.

Well have to see if/how people can learn to make them work. I think they generally lose out on effectiveness due to them not having the gun platforms that all the Collossals have.

And that is why I'm eager for the Mammoth stats to be released. They could make it MAT 5 or have a terrible animus and I'd still take one. Those guns make me fill up with joy juice.

 Wehrkind wrote:
They need to get this book out faster. I want to see Epic Morvahna's stats. Yea... her stats.

36D-26-36

Maybe 36D-26-38. She is a bit hippie.

 AduroT wrote:
The Animus will discourage you from trying to piece meal the Arch Angel, but also it takes so long for that damage to happen. Your opponent ends his turn there and gets set on fire. Now your turn and the opponents figs are all still there. It's not until their Next turn that they Might die. I'd say the Animus either needs to be;
1.) End your Movement within 2" and get set on Fire
or
B.) End your Activation within 2" take a pow12 and get set on Fire.

Option A means you're going to suffer that fire even if you manage to kill it. Option 2 gives you a chance to avoid fiery death, but if you don't kill it in one, you're gonna suffer some immediate pain.

Ok, now I see what the problem is. Playing Khador and Circle, I don't really have anything that deals fire damage, so I wasn't sure why the animus was terrible. I'd heard that it took two turns for it to be effective, and I couldn't wrap my head around it at the time. All makes sense now, though.

I imagine if it were more similar to something like pKrueger's feat - enter/end your activiation within the AOE(take a pow12, etc) - then it might make more sense. As it stands currently it does seem pretty useless.

I don't think I'm ever going to see this be put on the table at my local store when someone else can just put 2 Angelieieieie* with tenacity on them instead.

*plural forms give me problems before morning coffee.

 Kurgash wrote:
I don't think I'm ever going to see this be put on the table at my local store when someone else can just put 2 Angelieieieie* with tenacity on them instead.

*plural forms give me problems before morning coffee.

I'll admit I'm slightly disappointed that I'll be unable to do the 100% huge based army of Lylyth3, 2 Thrones and 2 Archangels (unless Lylyth3 has 8 Warbeast pts (doubtful)) at 50pts

This model is very disappointing overall. Sure, it's a bit higher def than other Gargantuans, but it's hardly in the hard-to-hit range. Sure, it's kind of fast, but it's not any faster than any of our beasts (slower than Angelieieieie). Sure, it has more boxes...but not by that much...

And it's animus is only useful if you're afraid your caster will get charged by single wound models (can't remember the last time that happened...).

It's best use is for strafing AOEs and power attacks with his open fists...and I can get two Ravagores for the cost.

Rask and Afflictor are up:

http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/minions/warlocks/rask


http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/legion-of-everblight/warbeasts/afflictor

Rask, better than I could've hoped for! Love it!

Rask is sexy. I love all the PP minions. Very feral and neat.