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Played a variant of the list I posted earlier, except this time with a Bastion in it, with good results. I posted this in the "Why no love for the bastion?" thread:

I got around to playing my Bastion-included GK+Tau list today. I saw 3 Broadsides in it with Pathfinders on the roof while Coteaz took another squad and sat in Techmarine-buffed ruins with a Servitor/Jokaero squad.

Needless to say, I had neigh-on-unkillable shooting platforms. My Bastion was only destroyed after two Melta shots on Turn 4 when his Stormraven finally got in range. By that point in time my Bastion, which allowed me to better position my Broadsides and Pathfinders, had wiped out my opponent's GKSS, GKT, Dreadknight, and Purgation squads. The Broadsides took 1 wound despite suffering 2d6 and then 4d6 Str 6 hits, and after disembarking, promptly shot down the offending Stormraven.

All this firepower going into the Bastion basically left Coteaz's squad free to drop multiple Servoskull-buffed, Prescience'd Plasma Cannons and Lascannon shots on the rest of his army. I also had 2 Dreadknights and 1 Riptide advancing up his front. The devastating alpha-strike by my Broadsides made them such a credible threat that he just tried to focus them down while ignoring my other units.

Needlesstosay, target saturation ALWAYS works.

So I'm going to bring my grey knights again for another local tournament. But this time it's 1850. Still high points but now I have to bring less toys. I'm going to try my shunt and punt list again the list is as followed.
Hq
Coteaz
Troop
3 psybacks with 4 warriors in each
4 man monkey squad with 5 warriors
Fast
2 ten man interceptors psybolt and 2 psycannon
Heavy
3 dreadknight Teleporter flamer
And the defence line with lascannon

It's a simple list take the interceptors and dread knights and shunt them up while the psybacks and monkey squad support fire. I really want to try the monkey squad hope they can help with that long range support that grey knights lack.

looks interesting but why 4 monkies? You won't get any of their buffs in that case. Needs a bit more counter-air possibly but I guess that will depend on your local meta.

We have min of 2 fliers each side now a days unless one side brings Tau which usually means just one side has 2-3 fliers and other has 0 -1

With 4 monkeys I can get. 4-5-6 on the roll for the buff yea it's not the best but I'm using them to bust up anything with 2+ or wave serpents since 5 lascannon will at least glance it to death. Yeah I do lack some AA. 1 intercept lascannon is ok. But I play 3 dread knight for max carnage and fear tactics. Dreadnought are getting better but I like playing aggressive lists and the dreadnought fills a long ranged support role.

Any comments for the following list?? (I am against Eldar and for AA I 'll have to deal with one flyer all in all)... As for your previous conversation about allies I believe that the Inquisition is in our codex for that reason (Just my opinion though I'm still a noob in this game )

Hq:
Coteaz 100 (2x Divination powers -->1. Prescience + 2. random)
Ordo Malleus Inq w/ Terminator armor + Psycannon + mastery lvl 1 (Prescience) + 2x Servo skulls 116

Elites:
1x Vindicare Assassin 145
1x Techmarine w/ Power axe + Rad grenades 100
7x Purifier Squad w/ 5x NFH + 2x Incinerators + Rhino w/ Searchlight 219

Troops:
1x Henchmen Squad --> 3x servitor w/ 3x plasma cannons + 1x Jakaero + 8x warrior acolytes w/ 3x plasma guns these have carapace armor and 5x storm bolters these flack armor 184
10x Terminator Squad w/ 2x Psycannons + 8x NFH (Justicar included) + 2x TH 450

Fast Atk:
10x Interceptor Squad w/ 8x swords + 2x Incinerators + Psy ammo 320

Heavy Support:
ND w/ Incinerator + Personal Teleporter 235
Dreadnought w/ Heavy Flamer + DCCW with build in Heavy flamer + Psyflame ammo + Searchlight 131

Coteaz + Henchmen into a ruin witch previously the Techmarine has bolster for a 3+ cover save , Terminator Squad is going to combat squad with 2x Psycannons + 3x Halberds joining the Ordo Malleus Inq walking and shooting and the rest (3x Halberds + 2 TH ) DP near a servo skull if possible) ,Vindicare into a ruin for a 2+ cover (I 'll probably infiltrate him), Teckmarine joins the Purifier Squad intto the Rhino (maybe they 'll come from reserve depending deployment) , Interceptor + ND maybe "jump" first round or trying to reach enemy with Jump packs in order bake any infantry unit or anything (their role depends on what the Eldar list includes, they are here to give mobility to the list + they are solid units IMHO) finally the Flamernaught is there to walk trying to survive providing reinforced aegis + it's powerful atks and Heavy flamers-Incinarators...

Well for a fun game and testing out what works in your list its good. But if your going for at least semi competitive you have to stream line your list dreadnoughts 99% of the time is 2 cannons with psybolt best long ranged shooting and psychic defence we got. As far as the henchmen try not to mix close combat units with ranged units like monkeys and arco. Again your list will give you an idea what is worth keeping and what is not. Trial and error.

First and foremost thanks for your reply !

Now I can't understand which of my henchmen you consider as close combat?? the servitors+ monkey are my heavy guns the 3x plasma guns are there for the extra plasma that GK can't bring in their game and the rest warrior acolytes are there for soak dmg (I just thought that 10 extra points for their storm bolters are worth it for extra shooting power) .. I firstly thought of running this list with 3x Psyflemen and a full GKSS but then I decide that I 'll include the DK and the Interceptor Squad instead , in order to give mobility to my list ..for the extra 130 points I could include a 5 man GKSS with a Psycannon and take some extras (like Psy ammo for the Terminators) but then I considered the Flamernought (which I expected everyone to vote agaist him actually) as I think it has more survivability than 5x marines and I 'll walk him providing my Terminators the Reinforced Aegis ..I don't expect it to survive but it's better to take some hits instead of my DK or the Terminators..

I don't know if this strategy is going to work actually ..theoretically it will but I ask you in order to take some feedback ..Anyway thank you again for your reply

I think he may have mixed up warrior acolytes with crusaders.

Yes probably

Yea sorry was just a slight mixup I was at work and just skimmed through it. But it seems like a solid list. I used a list a while ago where I was using necron/grey knight and only used 1 dread knight. I have to say that that dreadknight was the MVP 5 out of the 6 games. Just keep in mind not to go all in on the first turn since your list is not made for that. It's just better to hold back the shunts for later in the game.

Conflagration wrote:
With 4 monkeys I can get. 4-5-6 on the roll for the buff yea it's not the best but I'm using them to bust up anything with 2+ or wave serpents since 5 lascannon will at least glance it to death. Yeah I do lack some AA. 1 intercept lascannon is ok. But I play 3 dread knight for max carnage and fear tactics. Dreadnought are getting better but I like playing aggressive lists and the dreadnought fills a long ranged support role.

with the chance to get 4-5 6 in this case does nothing. The 4 gets you rending lascannons which to be honest probably doesn't do anything at all. The bolter henchmen gets some rending bolters which have been of dubious use with how few there are. The monkies already come with a 5+ invul so you really just get rending las cannons. I think 2 is the best but I can see why you'd want 4 in one squad since you don't have that much divination to go around possibly perhaps.

5 lascannons will actually take quite a while to glance one to death. hitting 3-4 hits on average with divination, pen/glance 3+ so 2ish pens/glances and then get one jink (4+), to 1 pen/glance which will most likely get converted to just one glance.

It'll take you around 3 turns to glance one to death with very average rolling (possibly 2 if you get lucky). Probably not what you want to have in mind I guess.

Ok for the above list I've posted I did some math and thought of some improvements:

take out the Purifier Squad (178 points) + the Search light from rhino (1) and take out the Flamernought (131) leaving me 310 points ..

I 'll add another DK (235) plus another Henchmen squad of 5x Deathcult assassins w/ 5x power swords + 5x power axes (75) joining the Techmarine in that rhino..

Don't you think it's better ?? the problem is that I don't know if I have to include 2-3 Crusaders with the Deathcult assasins in order to withstand some dmg from shooting as they can't assault the turn they disembark from rhino ...

Actually what I can't decide is if 215 points in a CC unit + a rhino worth it ??

Any ideas???

First of all, why are you kitting out Coteaz's squad that much? They're going to walk into a ruin and sit there and shoot... You don't need Carapace Plasma Gunners and Stormbolter acolytes. If you're walking, you're snap-shotting everything else, meaning your 3 PC servitors can't fire. If you're sitting in ruins and shooting, you can be assured that you will rarely ever get an opponent within 24", much less 12", in which case you should be more worried about them charging you. Also remember that Coteaz is not Eternal Warrior and does not have an invul save. Give him normal Bolter acolytes and a Crusader or two to tank Heldrakes and other Ignore Cover stuff, and sit him in the ruin permanently. If you want plasma gunners, put them in a Chimera. As was mentioned, 4 Jokaero in a squad is either overkill, or too ineffective. Especially with Prescience, it's not worth it.

Give your Techmarine Psychotroke Grenades, and have him take the Servo Skulls instead, I believe his are 2pts cheaper than the GM's, and use that to take a 3rd servo skull. In a 3'x2' table, 3 gives you optimal placement either for reducing your scatters or preventing Ravenwing Scout move deployments. Give your Terminator Squad Psybolt Ammo.

Give your DCAs a few Crusaders, and take more vehicles if you're planning to drive them across the board. Otherwise, expect that Rhino to turn into an easy 1st blood for your opponent's anti-tank weapons leaving your CC henchmen squad stuck either in your deployment or halfway across the board.

Save your DK's Jump for the middle or end of the game. Doing it first turn exposes it to all the gunfire from your opponent and their potentially scary CC units. Most armies have a mix of a firebase in their DZ and an "attack" element that marches up towards you. Exploit this by giving them the tough choice of whether to turn around and save their firebase from your teleporting DK, or to continue on and lose their firebase.

Well, got a look at the Apoc book and I gotta say it looks so pretty!

Baneblades everywhere. GK's got a few special power units but in my personal case I gotta get 1-2 more DK's and 1 more SR lol. The crowe lead purifier helstorm template looks "interesting" but I seriously wonder how well so many expensive power armored bodies will survive with all the craziness out there to get my template stronger than str 2 AP6 lol.

For those w/o the book - it's 3 DK formation buffing eachother, Crowe and units of purifiers shooting a helstorm template, and a DK marking things for 3 storm ravens that can't miss the target marked and mindstrike/psybolt do more damage

I dunno, the necrons seem to be the stars of the show and of course IG for being the most powerful looking things on APOC, The Khorne mower is actually pretty good on paper if it can get into close combat. I'm actually very upset somehow that only the battle sisters didn't get any super formations. I've got over 600 bucks of sisters (And way too many hours painting them) and I don't want them to go the way of the squats. I'm hoping that it was just a major oversight instead of reading too much into things.

edit: woot! 2000th post!


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Apparently we'll also be getting this thing. Could be fun. Not very survivable without a lot of things to suck up fire but could be fun.


Assassinorum Murder Squad (GK)
1 of each type of assassin

3 wounds apiece, 5+ FNP

Eversor gets +2D6 attacks instead of 1D6

Vindicare's weapons gain Soul Blaze

Callidus' Neural Shredder is S9

Cullexus' Speculum is S6


I'm thinking I'll be running this for LOL's and depend on D weapons (i.e. GK titan scratch build rawr! Or volcano cannons or maybe the scratch build turbo laser destroyer GK thunderhawk with psycannons) I dunno if I can take apoc seriously enough to actually come up with tactics for the thing.

From the Enter the Citadel event, I learned that GK will be getting more datasheets with Chaos in the Pandorax Warzone. Phil Kelly was heavily involved in writing it.

I looked at the Apoc book and I feel 2 GK formations are worthless. The Purifier Formation? So I thought sweet crowe can join a massive unit. Than I read the formation rules and the cheese still stands alone. Getting insta gibbed by bolter fire still.

The second; the DK formation. Shred? Really? It's an Apoc game, I'm sure those DKs are already toting a sword, teleporter, flamer and cannon/lancer.

I really don't feel too excited about apoc from GK perspective so far and with how much our guys cost along with so many ignore cover AP2/3 things, I may just end up with a bunch of brother captains in henchmen chimeras lobbing orbital bombardments all over the place. Should hit something! All in all, Apoc has been about fun so I don't really expect too much competitive games or at least anything to base a competition over anyway. It's definitely the fun beer and pretzles kind of 9 hr long game

Those formations sound pretty lame :|

Shred on DKs, really?

Is it ranged attacks too?

If so that could be worth it. Heavy Psycannon and/or Incinerator that rerolls to wound.

Let the start of the 5 Orbital strike relay list begin. At least that's my plan. Accompanied by SRs and DKs.

Coyote81 wrote:
Let the start of the 5 Orbital strike relay list begin. At least that's my plan. Accompanied by SRs and DKs.

Need to have some chimeras for the terminator knight captains to ride into battle though. Worth it for the protection. Forget the 5 orbitals, go with 15 of them!

 Grey Templar wrote:
Is it ranged attacks too?

If so that could be worth it. Heavy Psycannon and/or Incinerator that rerolls to wound.

Nope. Only CC.

Hey welcome back JY2. when we gonna see some GK action

Good crons vs mechdar fight though. I liked it. Kept forgetting that the farseer was T4 due to jetbike XD

GK vs serpent spam is pretty bad. Give it a shot and see if you can beat it down. It'll really test your generalship as it's a pretty lousy for GK fight.

I actually have a match coming up tonight against GTKA666 and I'm going to bring my Greyzilla list. I've changed it a lot from earlier in these posts. It's not a balanced build, but it looks like a heck of a fun build to play.

The 2K list that I will be using:

Draigo
Laughingseer - farseer on jetbike w/Mantle of the Laughing God

3x Hammerdins (separate squads)
5x Dire Avengers in a Wave Serpent
3x Guardian Jetbikes w/Shuri-cannon

3x Dreadknights - Teleporters, Heavy Incinerator
Wraithknight

Started my report. Will finish in a couple of days.


2000-pts Jy2's NEW MTO Greyzilla Army vs GTKA666's I.A.C. System Eldar

 jy2 wrote:
I actually have a match coming up tonight against GTKA666 and I'm going to bring my Greyzilla list. I've changed it a lot from earlier in these posts. It's not a balanced build, but it looks like a heck of a fun build to play.

The 2K list that I will be using:

Draigo
Laughingseer - farseer on jetbike w/Mantle of the Laughing God

3x Hammerdins (separate squads)
5x Dire Avengers in a Wave Serpent
3x Guardian Jetbikes w/Shuri-cannon

3x Dreadknights - Teleporters, Heavy Incinerator
Wraithknight

This is literally the most insane, awesome list I have ever seen.

This really makes me want a Wraithknight, and another Dreadknight.

hey guys, going to a doubles tournie with a mate who is playing tau, its 1000+250 points per team, the 250 being a single unit that can either start on the board or in a special reserve.

He is going to take triple riptides and I was planning on triple dreadknights, so yes 6 monstrous creatures

If I take one knight as the bonus unit, how would you build a 1000 point list with 2 knights in it? Also only need 1HQ 1 troop compulsory.

Cheers gk players

 tuiman wrote:
hey guys, going to a doubles tournie with a mate who is playing tau, its 1000+250 points per team, the 250 being a single unit that can either start on the board or in a special reserve.

He is going to take triple riptides and I was planning on triple dreadknights, so yes 6 monstrous creatures

If I take one knight as the bonus unit, how would you build a 1000 point list with 2 knights in it? Also only need 1HQ 1 troop compulsory.

Cheers gk players

Draigo and a few Solodins will free up points for your NDKs.

SJ

 daedalus-templarius wrote:

 jy2 wrote:
I actually have a match coming up tonight against GTKA666 and I'm going to bring my Greyzilla list. I've changed it a lot from earlier in these posts. It's not a balanced build, but it looks like a heck of a fun build to play.

The 2K list that I will be using:

Draigo
Laughingseer - farseer on jetbike w/Mantle of the Laughing God

3x Hammerdins (separate squads)
5x Dire Avengers in a Wave Serpent
3x Guardian Jetbikes w/Shuri-cannon

3x Dreadknights - Teleporters, Heavy Incinerator
Wraithknight

This is literally the most insane, awesome list I have ever seen.

This really makes me want a Wraithknight, and another Dreadknight.

Haha. That is exactly what I did. I only had 2 DK's. I then got the WK actually for my eldar army. With 3 of the 4 MC's already, I finally got my last DK.

 tuiman wrote:
hey guys, going to a doubles tournie with a mate who is playing tau, its 1000+250 points per team, the 250 being a single unit that can either start on the board or in a special reserve.

He is going to take triple riptides and I was planning on triple dreadknights, so yes 6 monstrous creatures

If I take one knight as the bonus unit, how would you build a 1000 point list with 2 knights in it? Also only need 1HQ 1 troop compulsory.

Cheers gk players

Wow...that is just....evil.

There are 2 ways to play such a build.

The first is what jeffersonian suggested - Draigo and troop paladins/soladins - and deepstrike them. Such an army is very aggressive.

The second is to take Coteaz and a shooty firebase. They will be the shooty support for your dreadknights, though with 3 riptides, you've already got a lot of firepower.

 tuiman wrote:
hey guys, going to a doubles tournie with a mate who is playing tau, its 1000+250 points per team, the 250 being a single unit that can either start on the board or in a special reserve.

He is going to take triple riptides and I was planning on triple dreadknights, so yes 6 monstrous creatures

If I take one knight as the bonus unit, how would you build a 1000 point list with 2 knights in it? Also only need 1HQ 1 troop compulsory.

Cheers gk players

Wow...that is just....evil.

There are 2 ways to play such a build.

The first is what jeffersonian suggested - Draigo and troop paladins/soladins - and deepstrike them. Such an army is very aggressive.

The second is to take Coteaz and a shooty firebase. They will be the shooty support for your dreadknights, though with 3 riptides, you've already got a lot of firepower.