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Maybe Natfka will post new info on the codex.

Lol I can see it now. Some "Anonymous source" saying:

"my source tells me Chaos is slated for October"

and the cycle continues....

feth that noise. Gimme a new chaos book.

Noisy_Marine wrote:feth that noise. Gimme a new chaos book.

Seriously. I'm not even that interested in purchasing new models. I just want a new book.

SpitfireArsonist wrote:

Noisy_Marine wrote:feth that noise. Gimme a new chaos book.

Seriously. I'm not even that interested in purchasing new models. I just want a new book.

Agreed. With a new book I'd be much more inspired to finish painting my models and buy new ones, old or not.

Sidstyler wrote:I KNEW IT. Didn't I say a while ago that Dark Angels would probably come before CSM just because they're loyalists and GW wouldn't put out two books in a row that weren't Marines? And people were like "Nuh-uh, everything we've been told so far says Chaos are first! You're just dumb!"

iirc Hastings schedule is still CSM, WoC and then DA.

Minx wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:I KNEW IT. Didn't I say a while ago that Dark Angels would probably come before CSM just because they're loyalists and GW wouldn't put out two books in a row that weren't Marines? And people were like "Nuh-uh, everything we've been told so far says Chaos are first! You're just dumb!"

iirc Hastings schedule is still CSM, WoC and then DA.

To be fair, as long as CSM stuff is out by December, GW will still be in my good graces. I need my 40K fix come Christmas.

Remember guys, the DA picture could just be highlighting a game, mini campaign or one of their now rather bland How to Paint guides for the DA stuff in the box and have nothing to do with the actual release!

DarkStarSabre wrote:Remember guys, the DA picture could just be highlighting a game, mini campaign or one of their now rather bland How to Paint guides for the DA stuff in the box and have nothing to do with the actual release!

True ... it might just be an ad for Dark Vengeance. Maybe.

Sidstyler wrote:I KNEW IT. Didn't I say a while ago that Dark Angels would probably come before CSM just because they're loyalists and GW wouldn't put out two books in a row that weren't Marines? And people were like "Nuh-uh, everything we've been told so far says Chaos are first! You're just dumb!"

Not necessarily. I recall a ton of Ultramarine advertising for the 5th starter. I'm just grumpy they are doing this. It's not fair but I deal. I agree with you that I think the first 6th codex will be a Marine codex. But to have so many rumors about Chaos but NOTHING about DA's. Hell, I know more about a new Tau dex than a new DA dex.


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Noisy_Marine wrote:

DarkStarSabre wrote:Remember guys, the DA picture could just be highlighting a game, mini campaign or one of their now rather bland How to Paint guides for the DA stuff in the box and have nothing to do with the actual release!

True ... it might just be an ad for Dark Vengeance. Maybe.

GW is built on the crushed hopes and dreams of the Chaos legions.

I am so taking the wings from the DA and working them into my emperors children. I just smile thinking about it!

I am also guessing next month is just the continuation of the starter set. This month will be about assembling, painting, how they made them etc. Then next month will be a battle report i.e 'the battle rages on.'

Also apart from last month, GW have not been revealing next month's topic so openly. The only clear month based on rumours we knew was the starter set because there was a csm and a DA on the last page.

Via faeit212

The question of this new model from the starter set is finally answered. Its a walker with options for a butcher-cannon or twin reaper auto cannons..... wow. Thats a lot of firepower. Lets take a closer look!

The source for this sent in a correction on the stats. Basically oops sorry it is 12/12/10. I have corrected it below.

via Faeit 212 (a Must Remain Anonymous Source)
There's a rumor floating around that the hellbrute strikes at initiative 1.

I just want to clarify that while it is listed as having a Power Fist and not a Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon, because it is a Walker it does not suffer from the Unwieldy special rule, that's why it's simplified in the codex entry.

120 points

It's 12/12/10
Str 6, ws 4, bs4, i4

Multi-Melta / Power Fist (with inbuilt combi-bolter)

can swap the Multi-Melta for a butcher-cannon, or twin reaper auto cannons (which is pretty cool, since that's an entire riflemen in one arm, but with less range), twin-linked lascannon or a twin-linked heavy flamer.
can swap combi-bolter for a meltagun or heavy flamer

Has rampage

Mark of Khorne: Rage USR
Mark of Nurgle: 5+ restore a hull point OR repair immobilized / weapon destroyed at the start of a turn. Does not let it get back up after having been killed unlike Unholy Vigor.
Mark of Slaanesh: Sonic scream, gives it offensive/defensive grenades
Mark of Tzeench: flame weapons (if it has any) are +1 strength and -1 AP (heavy flamers are AP3... whaaaat)

Very interesting, especially the Marks. They are similar to the Decimator Marks but not quite. Could the that the Decimator was based on a playtest version of the new Codex?

Interesting.. it's strange in some respects. I like the looks of the chaos models but in a way they appear too chaosy. I always enjoyed this slightly spikier, worn down version of loyalts opposed to mutated armour-things that were there own direction entirely (a bastardised WHF look-alike).

Oh well! Still better than nothing! I'm pleased. XD

From that look.. I get the sinking feeling DA will be next and all these rumours about a CSM dex coming have been assumed to be chaos (ie the source just says a dex will be released 1/9/12 and they assumed via the rumours that it had to be chaos, not handing any possibility to DA).

However that doesn't mean GW won't pull a back to back release for CMS/DA, or even simultaneous. It retracts from their individual releases but its a big, well timed burst of 40k, giving them two months to give fantasy a little bend over before they go Hobbit mad over Christmas and NY (and completely forget 40k and fantasy exist). Unlikely, but we'll see.. it does seem strange so many CSM rumours are hanging about only for them to do DA.. but then maybe that's part of the strategy too.. misdirection! (GW that smart?)

Also, I hasten to point out that you're assuming the Hellbrute is beast to make up for the points... do we actually have a codex to confirm the Chaos Lord and Chosen are not so beast?
It always seemed apparent to me that a Chaos Lord should be.. you know... a monster even before daemon prince and Chosen should also be pretty hefty compared to the average marine, a fair few stat points heftier.

kenzosan wrote:GW is built on the crushed hopes and dreams of the Chaos legions.

This is done purposefully to aid the roleplaying aspects of the hobby. The goal is to help the Chaos player personally identify with the hatred and bitterness of his chosen army. This is why the new Chaos codex will be identical to the new Dark Angels codex but with all the special rules replaced by random tables and across the board -1 Ld. Let's forge a narrative!

well i would think from the model that the hellbrute gets the daemon special rule? giving him a 5+ invul maybe??

This is hilarious. We had Hastings name the starter set contents down to the model count and listing of every single option in the set 7 MONTHS AGO, yet his word that the Chaos codex is next is completely invalidated because of single Dark Angels image in a White Dwarf. Chaos is next, I doubt we'll see Dark Angels until 2013.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

kenzosan wrote:GW is built on the crushed hopes and dreams of the Chaos legions.

This is done purposefully to aid the roleplaying aspects of the hobby. The goal is to help the Chaos player personally identify with the hatred and bitterness of his chosen army. This is why the new Chaos codex will be identical to the new Dark Angels codex but with all the special rules replaced by random tables and across the board -1 Ld. Let's forge a narrative!

Quit making me exalt your posts!


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I really don't see how a chaos lord is supposed to make up for a company master, libby, and chaplain. Unless that lord is one badass mofo.

 Noisy_Marine wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

kenzosan wrote:GW is built on the crushed hopes and dreams of the Chaos legions.

This is done purposefully to aid the roleplaying aspects of the hobby. The goal is to help the Chaos player personally identify with the hatred and bitterness of his chosen army. This is why the new Chaos codex will be identical to the new Dark Angels codex but with all the special rules replaced by random tables and across the board -1 Ld. Let's forge a narrative!

Quit making me exalt your posts!


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I really don't see how a chaos lord is supposed to make up for a company master, libby, and chaplain. Unless that lord is one badass mofo.

Like I said, that hellbrute has to be a bad ass to make up for all the crappy units the Chaos get.
I'm not saying Chosen or Cultist are bad, but melee oriented Guardsman versus Spacemarines are suicide. Termies as a troop choice versus Cultists. Chosen and Helbrute versus bikes, Lib, and Chaplain as a special slot to represent the army. Points wise it adds up somewhere, but tactically, without knowing exactly how the Hellbrute works, it doesnt.

 kenzosan wrote:

Like I said, that hellbrute has to be a bad ass to make up for all the crappy units the Chaos get.
I'm not saying Chosen or Cultist are bad, but melee oriented Guardsman versus Spacemarines are suicide. Termies as a troop choice versus Cultists. Chosen and Helbrute versus bikes, Lib, and Chaplain as a special slot to represent the army. Points wise it adds up somewhere, but tactically, without knowing exactly how the Hellbrute works, it doesnt.

The sky is falling! I really wish that people would withhold their pronouncements of doom until they have actually read the codex. Wishful thinking I know.

Palindrome wrote:

 kenzosan wrote:

Like I said, that hellbrute has to be a bad ass to make up for all the crappy units the Chaos get.
I'm not saying Chosen or Cultist are bad, but melee oriented Guardsman versus Spacemarines are suicide. Termies as a troop choice versus Cultists. Chosen and Helbrute versus bikes, Lib, and Chaplain as a special slot to represent the army. Points wise it adds up somewhere, but tactically, without knowing exactly how the Hellbrute works, it doesnt.

The sky is falling! I really wish that people would withhold their pronouncements of doom until they have actually read the codex. Wishful thinking I know.

Given GW history, do you really expect melee Cultists to be worth anything especially against Marines? Do you expect Cultists to do any better against Termies? The last bit is purely speculation but it's founded on facts. We know what a Librarian and Chaplain can do as well as bikes, but we have no idea what a Hellbrute is capable of. Overall, from a tactical stand point, the Chaos are at a disadvantage as long as we don't know the Hellbrutes stats and special rules.
I have enough facts to know how the game works. Cultists will have 3 strength and toughness, and given the models armor save of 4 at best. Meaning to wound marines they need a 5+ and marines have a 3+ armor save and marines will need a 3+ to wound and cultists will have at best a 4+, in cc. So you tell me who has the advantage. It's basic math.

Balanced or not it looks like it will give new players a good sense of various troop and weapon types. I think that's more important than strict balance in a starter set.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

kenzosan wrote:GW is built on the crushed hopes and dreams of the Chaos legions.

This is done purposefully to aid the roleplaying aspects of the hobby. The goal is to help the Chaos player personally identify with the hatred and bitterness of his chosen army. This is why the new Chaos codex will be identical to the new Dark Angels codex but with all the special rules replaced by random tables and across the board -1 Ld. Let's forge a narrative!

Not enough upvotes

kenzosan wrote:

I really don't see how a chaos lord is supposed to make up for a company master, libby, and chaplain. Unless that lord is one badass mofo.

Like I said, that hellbrute has to be a bad ass to make up for all the crappy units the Chaos get.
I'm not saying Chosen or Cultist are bad, but melee oriented Guardsman versus Spacemarines are suicide. Termies as a troop choice versus Cultists. Chosen and Helbrute versus bikes, Lib, and Chaplain as a special slot to represent the army. Points wise it adds up somewhere, but tactically, without knowing exactly how the Hellbrute works, it doesnt.

 Jayden63 wrote:

kenzosan wrote:

I really don't see how a chaos lord is supposed to make up for a company master, libby, and chaplain. Unless that lord is one badass mofo.

Like I said, that hellbrute has to be a bad ass to make up for all the crappy units the Chaos get.
I'm not saying Chosen or Cultist are bad, but melee oriented Guardsman versus Spacemarines are suicide. Termies as a troop choice versus Cultists. Chosen and Helbrute versus bikes, Lib, and Chaplain as a special slot to represent the army. Points wise it adds up somewhere, but tactically, without knowing exactly how the Hellbrute works, it doesnt.

Why are people assuming that the points costs between the two sets are balanced? AOBR had over a 200 point difference between the Orks and Marines, I don't see any reason why the chaos and DA can be expected to be on even power.

The cultists are not meant to hold up against a tactical squad, they are being used to exhibit a new model/unit and generate an interest. The chosen and lord of course look cool, but thats the point. There is no reason why they have to be equal on points/power of a chapter master and terminators.

The point of the box set is to generate interest and pull you in with cool models. Your supposed to walk out of the store with $200 bucks worth of stuff. The box set + 3 boxs of other crap to flesh out which ever faction sparks your fancy the best.

Given the Chaos are rumored to have enought points to make a normal tac squad start lower than a SM tac squad and then be worth double that is a pretty good indication that they will be closer than expected.

Also, the point is to get people to buy space marines.

Realistically, Chaos has a decent chance at winning in DV,
The Chosen + lord would clean up the Tactical squad pretty fast with shooting and all the PW. The Hell brute could burn through the terminators, especially in CC where the hell brute hits at I4 with around 5 attacks. The cultists would do what cultists are supposed to do and die and maybe take something with them.

Only thing the hell brute would be concerned about is the plasma and AC. and if they waste shots on him the cultists and chosen are free to do whatever.

If the cultists are targeted. it doesn't matter, they're there to die.

if the chosen get targeted, that's when there's a problem, they wouldn't last long in a firefight. wrap them in cultists and move on target.

You know, if your cultists take down a terminator, you are required to get up on the table and do a happy dance.

 Noisy_Marine wrote:
You know, if your cultists take down a terminator, you are required to get up on the table and do a happy dance.

You mean like my friend did when his Guardsman troop choice took out a Trigon with flashlights.
But seriously, It's funny how sometimes we forget that the little guy can take out the big baddies in this game.

The 25th is the white dwarf which is all about the new starter and chaos space marines.

Pre-Orders for the new starter set begin on the 25th, for release on the 1st.

Pre-Order for Chaos Space Marines go up on the 8th and the entirety of their range will be released in two waves on the 15th and the 29th.

If this was true, then the next White Dwarf would have previews of Chaos Marine merchandise (e.g., models, Codex, etc.) other than the 40K starter set because it is a MAJOR product release all on its own, yet it appears there is no such mention in White Dwarf or that would have posted with the starter set pics. Also, while this is not impossible it does not follow any pattern established for monthly releases of the past couple years. In other words, this is likely false. Hopefully, Chaos Marines are the October release.

kenzosan wrote:

Noisy_Marine wrote:You know, if your cultists take down a terminator, you are required to get up on the table and do a happy dance.

You mean like my friend did when his Guardsman troop choice took out a Trigon with flashlights.
But seriously, It's funny how sometimes we forget that the little guy can take out the big baddies in this game.

Yeah it's only something like 1/2*1/3*1/6 for a 1/36 chance. 1/54 if cultists are BS2.

taking down Trigon however, that's happy dance time.

 Sunoccard wrote:
Realistically, Chaos has a decent chance at winning in DV,
The Chosen + lord would clean up the Tactical squad pretty fast with shooting and all the PW. The Hell brute could burn through the terminators, especially in CC where the hell brute hits at I4 with around 5 attacks. The cultists would do what cultists are supposed to do and die and maybe take something with them.

Only thing the hell brute would be concerned about is the plasma and AC. and if they waste shots on him the cultists and chosen are free to do whatever.

If the cultists are targeted. it doesn't matter, they're there to die.

if the chosen get targeted, that's when there's a problem, they wouldn't last long in a firefight. wrap them in cultists and move on target.

Actually, I don't think Chaos has a chance.

The tac squad has two plasma weapons in it, thats murder against the chosen. The raven wings also have plasma, TL boltguns, and between impact hits and then normal HTH they can take down the cultists, even if there is only the three of them.

The Hell brute is toast against the terminators. You assign its I4 attacks to the guy with the claws and sword, maybe the 5+ inv save saves one of them. Then they are striking back with at least 4 maybe 6 S8 attacks and 2-3 chainfist attacks. The brute is going down just by stripping off hull points.

Naturally this assumes best match ups. The Chaos guy will hope the brute gets into HTH with tac marines/chapter master as they have little chance of doing anything to it. The Lord and Chosen to take on the bikes (where their power weapons wont bounce), and the cultists against the terminators where weight of attacks will slow them down enough.

However, I still see it as the Marines win as they can take the best advantage of the range game and then most of their units have the tools to deal with pretty much any of the Chaos units.