Rumors for Chaos Space Marines - Upd 8/12/2012 in OP

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**lord_blackfang**

The Crimson Slaughter
Formerly the Space Marine Chapter known as the Crimson Sabres, the Crimson Slaughter were declared renegade in M41

I hope everybody's looking forward to Codex: More Renegades!

**avedominusnox**

So to get things straight cause I m a bit confused.
According to new WD not having new chaos images, we should not a chaos dex soon? (till 1st of octomber)

**Brother SRM**

avedominusnox wrote:
So to get things straight cause I m a bit confused.
According to new WD not having new chaos images, we should not a chaos dex soon? (till 1st of octomber)

WD doesn't really tell us anything anymore aside from "this is for sale now" so don't put stock in it.

**Rivet**

I wonder when we might start seeing some new rumors in regards to this now that Dark Vengeance is officially announced.

**kenzosan**

Hashulaman wrote:
Synister_Intent wrote:
Well ladies and gents, looks like we might have to wait another month to see anything about the Chaos Codex, I am sitting here currently looking at the inside of the back cover of the newest issue of WD and there artwork of a DA, seems to me for the past several months that this inside of the back cover is a way for GW to give us all a hint of what is to come next month. If this artwork is any indication of what is to come I think I am going to be thoroughly disappointed. What do you guys think this artwork means?

When i first saw it I instantly thought that GW had not gotten over their fetish for making some form of Loyalist Space Marines their first army. Going down this road, I saw November as out of the question since WoC are slated for Nov apparently, and December is most assuredly The Hobitt. I had a bad feeling CSM will be pushed back to 2013, given that I thought they were coming out in early Aug, then early Sep. and we all know how that went.(for those of you who argue that it's not september yet, we know the Box Set is September. GW will not release the CSM Codex at the same time as the Starter Box. Plus there is nothing about CSM beyond the Starter box inside this months WD), What little optimism that I have is hoping for this time next month for orders. However, past expeirence has taught me it's better to be pleasantly surprised, that bitterly dissapointed.

They have to release the Chaos codex because they have to release the new models and the rules for them. You can't get new players into the game if the models they want to use aren't available for purchase nor in the codex. Chaos have to be Oct or they wouldn't put in new Chaos models for the starter.

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Rivet wrote:
I wonder when we might start seeing some new rumors in regards to this now that Dark Vengeance is officially announced.

If you look at the rumors the only thing we'd see are pics from the codex. I mean we have the rules for marks and icons, new models, and existing models new rules. There isn't much left but specifics which can't be posted here. I could be wrong and someone could post something completely out of the blue. We're just more likely to see DA, Eldar, Tau, Sisters, or w/e other armies are coming out next year.

**pretre**

That's a lot of Have Tos and Can'ts.

**avedominusnox**

I agree with ya pretre and all that is annoying.
Eventually we cannot change what will come out next.
So all sit down and enjoy the ride!

**Lockark**

Brother SRM wrote:
avedominusnox wrote:
So to get things straight cause I m a bit confused.
According to new WD not having new chaos images, we should not a chaos dex soon? (till 1st of octomber)

WD doesn't really tell us anything anymore aside from "this is for sale now" so don't put stock in it.

I think the confusetion comes from the short stretch of time when the back a year or so ago they would have a some artwork with "next mounth" at the bottom to preview/hint at next mounth's releases.

Thing is they don't really do it regularly any more. So it's hard to tell if the artwork on the back is because of the Dark Angels in the starter set NOW, or if it's a hint at more dark angels in October. (Remember this is the Step. WD we're talking about. So any potential hints would be for the Oct. Releases and what will be featured in the Oct WD.)

Personaly I think the Dark Angel's artwork is just meant for pimping the new DA models that are out with the starter set.

**drbored**

The Dark Angels page at the end of the White Dwarf says 'The Battle Rages On!' This is a direct reference to the battle report that will be in the next White Dwarf. Stop speculating. This is what it is.

It is not that Dark Angels are next.

Let's face it, for the past couple months, the White Dwarf has not had hints into what's coming next, just vague pictures that hint at what will be in the next White Dwarf. The White Dwarf serves the White Dwarf, nothing else.

Relax, paint some models (I'm starting to paint up a new Chaos Marine squad) and keep playing games. We'll get a new Codex by October, it'll be hardback, and the Helbrute will be just as useful as other Dreadnoughts.

**str00dles1**

drbored wrote:
The Dark Angels page at the end of the White Dwarf says 'The Battle Rages On!' This is a direct reference to the battle report that will be in the next White Dwarf. Stop speculating. This is what it is.

, and the Helbrute will be just as useful as other Dreadnoughts.

so not useful at

**Asathor**

I think we will see the first miniatures at Games Day

**Harriticus**

lord_blackfang wrote:

The Crimson Slaughter
Formerly the Space Marine Chapter known as the Crimson Sabres, the Crimson Slaughter were declared renegade in M41

I hope everybody's looking forward to Codex: More Renegades!

The Crimson Slaughter are a good kind of renegade though imo. Not like Constantinius or Red Corsairs, these guys are children of Chaos. They've sold themselves to the Warp and are true Chaos Marines. They're not of the main legions, yes, but they're still the definitive CSM.

I think it would be a good idea for GW to expand some non-Legion CSM anyway. Purge, Red Corsairs, Sons of Malice, Violators, and now the Crimson Slaughter specifically.

**Motograter**

The helbrute could be one and I stress one of the best things in the new dex.

Im hoping its a seperate entry from the dread or an upgrade to the dread which will hopefully have decent rules.

Main things I am looking forward to from a new dex would be Chosen, possessed and new character types with a good smattering of psychic powers

**lord_blackfang**

Harriticus wrote:

The Crimson Slaughter are a good kind of renegade though imo. Not like Constantinius or Red Corsairs, these guys are children of Chaos. They've sold themselves to the Warp and are true Chaos Marines.

Let me remind you that they originally went to the Eye so they wouldn't kill innocent people

**Bloodfrenzy187**

Harriticus wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:

The Crimson Slaughter
Formerly the Space Marine Chapter known as the Crimson Sabres, the Crimson Slaughter were declared renegade in M41

I hope everybody's looking forward to Codex: More Renegades!

The Crimson Slaughter are a good kind of renegade though imo. Not like Constantinius or Red Corsairs, these guys are children of Chaos. They've sold themselves to the Warp and are true Chaos Marines. They're not of the main legions, yes, but they're still the definitive CSM.

I think that renegade chapters are crucial to continue the CSM fluff. After 10,000 years of fighting the long war the original CSM that were alive during the HH are fewer and fewer so there has to be renegade chapters to be more Marines to continue the long war.

Its a vicious cycle.

**Sephyr**

Bloodfrenzy187 wrote:

I think that renegade chapters are crucial to continue the CSM fluff. After 10,000 years of fighting the long war the original CSM that were alive during the HH are fewer and fewer so there has to be renegade chapters to be more Marines to continue the long war.

Its a vicious cycle.

Chaos Marines do recruit from daemon worlds, the slaves in their ships, and other sources of manpower. They even harvest genessed from loyalist chapters they defeat in battle.

Ironically enough, successful warbands should increase in size very fast. They ignore all the 'purity and resistance to corruption' requirements loyalists adhere to that hamper chapter growth, and cannobalize geneseed for faster increase. The less scrupulous even resort to cloning to speed things up.

Not saying it necessarily happens that way in the fluff, but it makes sense. Renegade chapters would probably help more bringing in ships and material than bodies.

**Cyvash**

Bloodfrenzy187 wrote:
Harriticus wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:

The Crimson Slaughter
Formerly the Space Marine Chapter known as the Crimson Sabres, the Crimson Slaughter were declared renegade in M41

I hope everybody's looking forward to Codex: More Renegades!

The Crimson Slaughter are a good kind of renegade though imo. Not like Constantinius or Red Corsairs, these guys are children of Chaos. They've sold themselves to the Warp and are true Chaos Marines. They're not of the main legions, yes, but they're still the definitive CSM.

I think that renegade chapters are crucial to continue the CSM fluff. After 10,000 years of fighting the long war the original CSM that were alive during the HH are fewer and fewer so there has to be renegade chapters to be more Marines to continue the long war.

Its a vicious cycle.

Some speculated some have retained thier pre-heresy numbers mainly the Alpha legion and night lords. the only ones that are near death are the world eaters and the emperors children.

**Brometheus**

..and the Thousand Sons, but I digress from the purpose of this thread.

Numbers in the 300 with only a couple guys who are actually "alive" sounds extinct to me!

**unmercifulconker**

At warseer, the sky is falling, people think DA are next because someone heard a drunk guy in Bugman's say so.....

**gianlucafiorentini123**

Asathor wrote:
I think we will see the first miniatures at Games Day

If it's an October release we'll see them before that, as WD comes out before Games Day.

**His Master's Voice**

Sephyr wrote:
They ignore all the 'purity and resistance to corruption' requirements loyalists adhere to that hamper chapter growth, and cannobalize geneseed for faster increase. The less scrupulous even resort to cloning to speed things up.

All of which cause massive quality loss in new recruits, and CSM are as stringent as loyalists about who gets power armour and who doesn't.

**Miss Dee**

I wanna see troops with Multi Meltas

**Rivet**

I want plasma cannon havoks that can split fire.

**Amaya**

Hey, hey, hey! No wish listing in rumor threads.

Is there anything about whether Typhus still automatically makes successful casts?

**pretre**

Amaya wrote:
Hey, hey, hey! No wish listing in rumor threads.

You're funny.

**Sephyr**

His Master's Voice wrote:
Sephyr wrote:
They ignore all the 'purity and resistance to corruption' requirements loyalists adhere to that hamper chapter growth, and cannobalize geneseed for faster increase. The less scrupulous even resort to cloning to speed things up.

All of which cause massive quality loss in new recruits, and CSM are as stringent as loyalists about who gets power armour and who doesn't.

Not filtering out the evil, psychotic and greedy hardly impacts the general morale and style of the traitor leagions. Neither does stealing geneseed. Overall, I believe the difference is already somewhat represented in the lack of ATSKNF and combat tactcs. This is a bit of a derail, though.

**His Master's Voice**

Sephyr wrote:
Not filtering out the evil, psychotic and greedy hardly impacts the general morale and style of the traitor leagions. Neither does stealing geneseed.

These traits are irrelevant. What I'm saying is that despite CSM having more recruits and maybe even more genseed samples, the overall lower quality of both is going to curb the replacement rate of any renegade warband or legion.

**kenzosan**

Amaya wrote:

Is there anything about whether Typhus still automatically makes successful casts?

If not, what's his point value worth? Rumor was his point value was the same and he wasn't gaining anything other than Psycher level 2. If that's it and he looses auto cast then I'll be so pissed. I mean that is not an even trade at all.

**Cyvash**

kenzosan wrote:
Amaya wrote:

Is there anything about whether Typhus still automatically makes successful casts?

If not, what's his point value worth? Rumor was his point value was the same and he wasn't gaining anything other than Psycher level 2. If that's it and he looses auto cast then I'll be so pissed. I mean that is not an even trade at all.

well his autocasts were limited to only his base powers...maybe he get a bonus with nurgle based psychic powers.

**Curious**

The Nurgle powers might end up being a lot more potent than they are currently, so having two of them (or two rulebook ones) might make him worth his cost even without the ability to auto cast.