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Um... the CSM sprue is newer than the Tactical sprue.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Um... the CSM sprue is newer than the Tactical sprue.

Yeah, but it's ugly as sin. I may end up having to pay for chosen boxes to be my regular marines, if the troops box stays the same.

Just patiently waiting for any rumours and/or info on the Warsmith (if it exists)

All i've seen so far is that it might be able to repair hullpoints.

 Praxiss wrote:
Just patiently waiting for any rumours and/or info on the Warsmith (if it exists)

All i've seen so far is that it might be able to repair hullpoints.

And curse vehicles and degrade terrain.

 Vhalyar wrote:

 Praxiss wrote:
Just patiently waiting for any rumours and/or info on the Warsmith (if it exists)

All i've seen so far is that it might be able to repair hullpoints.

And curse vehicles and degrade terrain.

/cackle. just wonderign what kind of options they get. In apoc games i field mine on a hover disc as a MoTF on bike (with a conversion beamer). i'm hopic it gets some fluffy equipment options by way of arcane guns and stuff (bring back the Kai Gun!!)

 Sidstyler wrote:

I'd blame GW, personally. Don't know why the players should be the ones to take responsibility for choices GW made.

I didn't realise Matt Ward or Kirby stand over a player's shoulder while they make their army list and tell them what to put in it. GW have to take responsibility for giving players the option to put together daftly broken armylists, but the players who make them aren't blameless, or somehow absolved from any responsibility for their own choices because of GW's poor ones. I can sit down with any Codex and make a fluffy-yet-competitive all-comers list without resorting to spam, exploiting daft rules loopholes, or any other listbuilding "strategies", so I know that when someone sits down with that same Codex and produces an utter monstrosity designed to achieve victory at the expense of any consideration for the fun of their opponent did so of their own free will, and as such is as valid a target for criticism as GW are.

Now, as for the latest info: bugger, I was really hoping TastyTaste was just pulling those rumours out of his nethers. I do like the sound of the daemon engine though.

As for the 22nd preorder date, I'll believe it when I see it, not long ago we were being told the release date was tomorrow.

I do hope the Iron Warriors get their fair share of the spotlight, I've just finished making a corrupt fortress for them using imperial bastion kits and plasticard. It'd be a shame if they were shoved to the back.

Hopefully they will write the codex so that the "undivided" legions can be made, by takign to right mix of options.

Then Sept 22 will pass us, and we'll be told the release date is "next week"

 Exergy wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
It's more when they join to WAAC that it's bad, which is usually the case

More like that's what everyone assumes is usually the case. It's been proven before that not every army that comes out is automatically "broken", Tyranids and Dark Eldar being good examples...everyone got fethed over in those two examples, both people who had been playing for years and people wanting to start new armies
I'd blame GW, personally. Don't know why the players should be the ones to take responsibility for choices GW made.

And some people like me waited 13 years for a new DE book only to find it one of the least powerful armies when it first came out and quickly relegated back to the shelf after 6th came out. Great models though.

I didn't wait 13 years but I know what you mean. Such awesome models, probably the best GW have ever done...so much wasted potential. Wonder how long we'll have to wait for the next book now.

 Yodhrin wrote:
I can sit down with any Codex and make a fluffy-yet-competitive all-comers list without resorting to spam, exploiting daft rules loopholes, or any other listbuilding "strategies", so I know that when someone sits down with that same Codex and produces an utter monstrosity designed to achieve victory at the expense of any consideration for the fun of their opponent did so of their own free will, and as such is as valid a target for criticism as GW are.

I've played Tau long enough to know that if you don't spam crisis suits/broadsides you don't stand a chance when playing competitively, you literally can't make a competitive Tau list that doesn't resort to spamming units. And that was even before 6th edition came along and made allied detachments a necessity, "pure" Tau aren't competitive even with the spam. So needless to say I disagree with your claim that you can write a list for any codex, and considering that this is off-topic to begin with (and you clearly sound like the type of guy whose mind is already made up) I think we should leave it at that.



Whether Chaos comes out at the end of the month or DA manages to jump ahead of them, I'm curious to see if the rumors hold true and codices will be in hardcover from now on like Warhammer army books. If they do I'm going to be disappointed, at $40+ each it won't be very practical to collect one for every army. I can't even afford to buy them at the current price to be honest, most of my current codex collection was bought used at about half off, only two of them were bought new: DE and Tau (I swear my Tau codex was only like $20 brand new, and it doesn't even feel like I bought it that long ago). As far as Chaos goes though I'm mostly only interested in the models anyway, I don't have very high expectations for the rules considering not only how bad the last one was, but who was rumored to be writing the new one. I'd hate for Chaos players to get screwed over yet again and end up in a similar boat to DE, especially since Chaos was my brother's first army and another bad codex will probably push him out of the game.

I'm hoping the new stuff looks as good as the Dark Vengeance models, if not better, but I'm not holding my breath really. Really kinda sucks that we have nothing to talk about and nothing really concrete when supposedly the release is just around the corner.

so no advance order today for a september 15th release then...
Good rumour that

At least we may start seeing some white dwarf pictures from the 15th onwards.

 Lorizael wrote:
so no advance order today for a september 15th release then...
Good rumour that

Nnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooo-OH WELL there's always next week. And the week after. And the week after...

 Sidstyler wrote:


Whether Chaos comes out at the end of the month or DA manages to jump ahead of them, I'm curious to see if the rumors hold true and codices will be in hardcover from now on like Warhammer army books. If they do I'm going to be disappointed, at $40+ each it won't be very practical to collect one for every army. I can't even afford to buy them at the current price to be honest, most of my current codex collection was bought used at about half off, only two of them were bought new: DE and Tau (I swear my Tau codex was only like $20 brand new, and it doesn't even feel like I bought it that long ago). As far as Chaos goes though I'm mostly only interested in the models anyway, I don't have very high expectations for the rules considering not only how bad the last one was, but who was rumored to be writing the new one. I'd hate for Chaos players to get screwed over yet again and end up in a similar boat to DE, especially since Chaos was my brother's first army and another bad codex will probably push him out of the game.

I'm hoping the new stuff looks as good as the Dark Vengeance models, if not better, but I'm not holding my breath really. Really kinda sucks that we have nothing to talk about and nothing really concrete when supposedly the release is just around the corner.

I have to disagree about the hardbacks one one point - I really am looking forward to full color books. The 6th rulebook is really nice, and worth the cost, in my opinion. I do agree about the codex price rises in general. Since I'm by no means an army hopper, I don't have to worry about all the new kits that come out, and what it costs for tournament players to stay competitive. However, I did collect all the codexes for a long while, just for the background reading. Really once they jumped from $20 to $25, I started thinking twice about which ones to pick up, and when it got to $29 and $33, it wasn't even really a consideration. It's really a bad move on GWs part, even if you don't profit on the book, keeping them at impulse buy price range will then allow people to get excited about a new army and go buy new models. It's like tech companies that sell a device at break even price, because they count on the content sales to make up for it.

This was just posted on Faeit 212. Linky

Dark Apostles are going to be one those new units we really do not yet know much about. Todays rumor set brings forth a few words on them and how marks affect them. Also Daemon Princes are going up in points!


Please remember that these are rumors.

via Faeit 212 (Anonymous)
the chaos space marine daemon prince being increased by 40pts! & having the lash ability taken away for good (apparently to cheesy)
the daemon prince will have to pay the same points for wings as a daemons prince from the chaos daemons codex so it is is more balanced.

dark Apostles will be the same as the blood angels sangunary priest (can have up to 3 & they count as 1 elite)
the apostle will only give you abilities depending on the mark it has taken.

the list is as follows :
Undivided : unit becomes fearless & relentless and gain feel no pain
khorne : unit gains rage , furious charge & rampage
nurgle: unit gains feel no pain , it will not die and slow and purposeful (if it joins a unit with feel no pain already then the feel no pain roll is one lower than normal)
tzeench: units gains a 5+ invulnerable save that can be re rolled if failed (unit and apostle can re roll once per game)
slannesh: unit gains fleet , + 1 initiative and rending

Holycrapapostlesaregoingtobeamazingiftrueandaroundonehundredpoints.

Maybe we won't have to use your custom CSM codex for much longer, Dave. :p

Sounds like a lot of overlap with standard Marks, so I guess he's more intended to buff units that can't have Marks of their own (cultists)

The apostle thing doesn't sound very plausible, but if Chaos is the first codex off the starting block then I would imagine it will see a great deal of cheese in it's pages. It will be the "look what 6th ed can do" codex. That being said I hope they don't let you cross marks, like a Slaanesh Apostle/Plague Marines. It's cheesy and broken, not fluffy, and too tempting.

I would HAVE TO field Nurgle apostles with my Plague Marines, assuming PMs continue to have FNP come new codex.

Brometheus wrote:Maybe we won't have to use your custom CSM codex for much longer, Dave. :p

Haha! I didn't realise people even did!

I Guess its time to start planning the mass character builds i have been working on.

Guard blobs are still probably one of the best units in sixth when crossed with a SM character, but those dark apostles, especially an undivided one, can go a long way to helping turn a large cultist squad into something similar. Or a unit of CC armed cultists with the slannesh one. You get how many rending attacks???

Oh lordy, Nurgle Apostles. Time to start converting my SM Chaplains for my Death Guard!

Need one in Terminator Armour quick!

Too many interesting elite units to field in a standard FOC: terminators, dark apostles, chosen (especially after the DV minis), possessed, cult troops... It seems I will be forced to play bigger-than-2000-points games to use 2 FOCs. Or I just can make several smaller lists!

Uh, I've been using it in-home for months, with some personal touches. It had a good run.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Sounds like a lot of overlap with standard Marks, so I guess he's more intended to buff units that can't have Marks of their own (cultists)

Well if they can take Termi armors, putting one in a Khorne Termi squad, will finaly make them more or less legit World Eaters Termies; +2A on assault,+1S and +1D3 A per combat round..., i can life with that!

Now one of those in a squad of Chosens with MoK and Kharn...

The tears of Blood Angels will be delicious if Nurgle can get 4+ FNP

 BDJV wrote:
This was just posted on Faeit 212. Linky

Dark Apostles are going to be one those new units we really do not yet know much about. Todays rumor set brings forth a few words on them and how marks affect them. Also Daemon Princes are going up in points!


Please remember that these are rumors.

via Faeit 212 (Anonymous)
the chaos space marine daemon prince being increased by 40pts! & having the lash ability taken away for good (apparently to cheesy)
the daemon prince will have to pay the same points for wings as a daemons prince from the chaos daemons codex so it is is more balanced.

dark Apostles will be the same as the blood angels sangunary priest (can have up to 3 & they count as 1 elite)
the apostle will only give you abilities depending on the mark it has taken.

the list is as follows :
Undivided : unit becomes fearless & relentless and gain feel no pain
khorne : unit gains rage , furious charge & rampage
nurgle: unit gains feel no pain , it will not die and slow and purposeful (if it joins a unit with feel no pain already then the feel no pain roll is one lower than normal)
tzeench: units gains a 5+ invulnerable save that can be re rolled if failed (unit and apostle can re roll once per game)
slannesh: unit gains fleet , + 1 initiative and rending

Well I hope the DP get's some bonus' then! 150pts+ for just the basic prince and wings.. jesus.... they're not THAT resilient/awesome atm considering the run of the mill Lord generally gets trampled by most other HQ's in most departments.

 Sharkvictim wrote:
The apostle thing doesn't sound very plausible, but if Chaos is the first codex off the starting block then I would imagine it will see a great deal of cheese in it's pages. It will be the "look what 6th ed can do" codex. That being said I hope they don't let you cross marks, like a Slaanesh Apostle/Plague Marines. It's cheesy and broken, not fluffy, and too tempting.

I would HAVE TO field Nurgle apostles with my Plague Marines, assuming PMs continue to have FNP come new codex.

I got a feeling the new CSM book will have the Deamonic Rivalries rule like you see in Codex: Deamons, with Undivided units and IC's being able to join and be joined freely.

Just a educated guess.

 BDJV wrote:
This was just posted on Faeit 212. Linky

Dark Apostles are going to be one those new units we really do not yet know much about. Todays rumor set brings forth a few words on them and how marks affect them. Also Daemon Princes are going up in points!


Please remember that these are rumors.

via Faeit 212 (Anonymous)
the chaos space marine daemon prince being increased by 40pts! & having the lash ability taken away for good (apparently to cheesy)
the daemon prince will have to pay the same points for wings as a daemons prince from the chaos daemons codex so it is is more balanced.

dark Apostles will be the same as the blood angels sangunary priest (can have up to 3 & they count as 1 elite)
the apostle will only give you abilities depending on the mark it has taken.

the list is as follows :
Undivided : unit becomes fearless & relentless and gain feel no pain
khorne : unit gains rage , furious charge & rampage
nurgle: unit gains feel no pain , it will not die and slow and purposeful (if it joins a unit with feel no pain already then the feel no pain roll is one lower than normal)
tzeench: units gains a 5+ invulnerable save that can be re rolled if failed (unit and apostle can re roll once per game)
slannesh: unit gains fleet , + 1 initiative and rending

So...

Undivded Apostle + 30 man Cultist Squad = Fearless 30 man Blob Squad with Feel no Pain and Relentless
Khorne Apostle + 30 man Combat Cultist Squad = +2 attacks on the charge at s4 and should the unit get whittled down, i get +1d3 attacks each turn anyway!
Nurgle Apostle + 30 man Cultist Squad = Meh, not too fancy...
Tzeentch Apostle + 30 man Cultist Squad = 5+ Invunerable save Cultists... Objective holding anyone?
Slaanesh Apostle + 30 man Combat Cultist Squad = 3 attacks each on the charge with Rending.... Sweet.


I'm getting myself a feth ton of cultists and an Apostle for each unit !


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