Eldar rumours (Preorder pics added to first post)

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**AegisGrimm**

So, you're telling me it's a good idea for Eldar to have Wraithguard, Wraithlords (the Wraithguard's bigger cousin), and a Wraithknight (the Wraithlord's bigger cousin) all in the same army, instead of, oh, I don't know, something actually unique?

In one word? Absolutely. The problem is that this effect should be something that is actually uniquely Eldar, but is instead being spread across all the races. The Wraith constructs, being in effect giant Eldar, are supposed to be their "unique" thing.

The style progression is already Wraithguard(Troop)>Wraithlord(Dreadnought)>Revenant Titan(Light Titan)>Phantom Titan(Battle Titan). Exactly how is a single model, put into the "Knight" slot of that progression, some sort of giant travesty? Especially when the same thing has been existing since the mid-90's, in both scales of 40K- just not as models that is easily accessible.

Doom and Gloom!!!

**reaper with no name**

Sheep wrote:
That's a hell of a lot of doom an gloom to be extrapolating from one picture of one new unit.

How about you wait for the rest of the release before condemning it to the bin?

If no aspects are updated, or nothing new is released that makes the grade of unique and "totally Eldar" then I think you have a right to complain.

From what I can see, the original knights have been updated to fit the current aesthetic of 6th edition, and I like it. The babushka doll effect of the wraith guard, wraith lord, revenant, phantom, has been missing a step. This fills it, very well, and stylishly.

I can't wait to get one and paint it.

*edit* re-reading that it comes across as more combative then I intended. Sorry. I just think that we should see what else they have in store before writing off the Eldar or throwing out armies. Just my $.02

I suspect you were referring to me.

Do not misunderstand me. I still have just as much faith in the Eldar release as a whole as I did before seeing this thing. I just feel that it is utterly asinine to give the Eldar a second Wraith-MC when nothing is wrong with the first (and even if there was something wrong with the Wraithlord, new codexes are an opportunity to fix such things).

**Nevelon**

Copy "riptide"
Paste
Change font = Eldar.

It's not bad looking, but I wonder if it is going to fill some role. Besides being new and shiny. Eldar already have a giant MC in the wraithlord, what's this guy bring ing to the table?

He looks cool, but not cool enough for me to grab one just for looks. But I am planning on re-booting my eldar forces, so if he's got some nice rules, he can find a place in my army.

**Shandara**

It makes you wonder what they'll think up as ***-knight for Space Marines.. or Orks.

For Sisters of Battle, a giant Penitent Engine? A Penitent Knight!

**JOHIRA**

Ugh. So the Wraithknight is super barrel-chested, why exactly?

This doesn't look like a towering wraith construct. It looks like what Eldar parents would draw in comic books for Eldar children. "Now eat your vegetables, Elwygynnnermarberdur, so you can grow up big and strong like Super Wraithknight." I hope they included a bit with a sculpted 6-pack and nipples.

**AegisGrimm**

How many people would be talking differently if the Riptide didn't exist, to remove the "it's just an Eldar Riptide!" argument.

Put the Sword option on the model, and I think it looks like a giant Spiritseer. Or a giant Dire Avenger Exarch. I think the Riptide actually copied THOSE.

Ugh. So the Wraithknight is super barrel-chested, why exactly?

There's an Eldar pilot in there. Better than the old metal dreadnoughts, in which the huge head was because that's where the pilot was.

It makes you wonder what they'll think up as ***-knight for Space Marines.. or Orks.

Orks.....you mean a Stompa, right? Or a Forgeworld Mega Dread.

**Ovion**

Shandara wrote:
It makes you wonder what they'll think up as ***-knight for Space Marines.. or Orks.

For Sisters of Battle, a giant Penitent Engine? A Penitent Knight!

I would buy 5.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Iracundus wrote:
First Wraithknight image up:

He's got a bit of a weight problem.

**Iracundus**

Shandara wrote:
It makes you wonder what they'll think up as ***-knight for Space Marines.. or Orks.

For Sisters of Battle, a giant Penitent Engine? A Penitent Knight!

What about for Night Lords? The Night Knight!

**finnan**

Wraithknight - still checking it out, no decisions yet. Iyanden supplement = focus on wraith-constructs? Does that suggest plastic Wraithguard? (I hope it does)

**xttz**

reaper with no name wrote:
So, you're telling me it's a good idea for Eldar to have Wraithguard, Wraithlords (the Wraithguard's bigger cousin), and a Wraithknight (the Wraithlord's bigger cousin) all in the same army, instead of, oh, I don't know, something actually unique?

I'm sorry, but that's just silly. Next we'll be seeing SupahMegaNobz (bigger MegaNobz), Mercy Engines (bigger Penitent Engines), and Demon Kings (bigger Daemon Princes).

Remember, GW paid some modeler to make this thing, instead of something that was actually new. If they're not even going to bother making something new, why even make a new model? It's a blatant money grab.

Yep. This is what Rick Priestley meant when he said the current GW design department is more like that of a toy company. They find what sells, make more of it, then shoehorn that into the codex. And right now what sells are giant robots and overpriced planes that kids can fly around the house making woosh noises.

I have absolutely no doubt we'll see many more large-base MC's for future codexes.

**JOHIRA**

zedmeister wrote:
Just trying to read the bits in the top left:

3: This intricate set of interlocking ??? is a ?scattershield? a ??? device that projects a powerful forcefield

"This intricate set of interlocking plates is a scattershield, a potent device that..."

It appears the sword is called a "ghostglaive", and the knobby fins on the back are "warp vanes" "that help to power it's considerable bulk.

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AegisGrimm wrote:
Ugh. So the Wraithknight is super barrel-chested, why exactly?

There's an Eldar pilot in there. Better than the old metal dreadnoughts, in which the huge head was because that's where the pilot was.

Then why does it look like a chest, and not a pilot's compartment?

This is another failure of GW design. They don't show, they tell. This could have been a perfectly acceptable sculpt if they had just taken a little bit more time to make it just right, but they didn't. Which is a pitty, because the weapons and details on it are pretty cool. But you can't have a cool model based on the details when the silhouette is derpy as all get out.

EDIT: At least it doesn't look like they bungled the flyer for once.

**Neronoxx**

Iyanden supplement will probably make wraithguard troops so, i see an all wraith army possible. 4 Wguard, 3Wlords, 3Wknights.....

**Ovion**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Iracundus wrote:
First Wraithknight image up:

He's got a bit of a weight problem.

This however...
It looks like it's got a Duel Disk... If I got one (which I probably won't) I'd have to make it with an acompanying Dark Magician or Blue Eyes White Dragon or something...

**Neronoxx**

JOHIRA wrote:

AegisGrimm wrote:
Ugh. So the Wraithknight is super barrel-chested, why exactly?

There's an Eldar pilot in there. Better than the old metal dreadnoughts, in which the huge head was because that's where the pilot was.

Then why does it look like a chest, and not a pilot's compartment?

This is another failure of GW design. They don't show, they tell. This could have been a perfectly acceptable sculpt if they had just taken a little bit more time to make it just right, but they didn't. Which is a pitty, because the weapons and details on it are pretty cool. But you can't have a cool model based on the details when the silhouette is derpy as all get out.

Doesn't it kinda look like a superhero body? With the huge bulked up chest...
Granted, i actually like the model.

**reaper with no name**

AegisGrimm wrote:
So, you're telling me it's a good idea for Eldar to have Wraithguard, Wraithlords (the Wraithguard's bigger cousin), and a Wraithknight (the Wraithlord's bigger cousin) all in the same army, instead of, oh, I don't know, something actually unique?

In one word? Absolutely. The problem is that this effect should be something that is actually uniquely Eldar, but is instead being spread across all the races. The Wraith constructs, being in effect giant Eldar, are supposed to be their "unique" thing.

The style progression is already Wraithguard(Troop)>Wraithlord(Dreadnought)>Revenant Titan(Light Titan)>Phantom Titan(Battle Titan). Exactly how is a single model, put into the "Knight" slot of that progression, some sort of giant travesty? Especially when the same thing has been existing since the mid-90's, in both scales of 40K- just not as models that is easily accessible.

Doom and Gloom!!!

On the previous page, you just said that the Dreadknight made no sense (which I agree with). And yet, I could argue that it makes just as much sense as the link between the Dreadnought and Imperial Titans as the Wraithknight does between the Wraithlord and the Eldar Titans.

In other words, the Dreadknight makes just as much sense as the Wraithknight (actually more, since a Wraithknight should logically be smaller than a Wraithlord).

**Bludbaff**

My thoughts on this, summed up:

**Starfarer**

I gotta laugh at how people for years were clamoring for plastic titans, and GW actually puts out a plastic Knight titan and people complain about them lacking originality for just building giant robots for every army.

Personally, I'm not a huge fan of the design. Call me old school, but I like my Eldar wraiths with disproportionately large heads.

Doesn't really affect me though, because I don't plan on buying one. I would have loved if they made a bright stallion instead.

I'm sure many people are also happy about the Iyanden supplement, which in theory does seem cool. However, I'm just wondering how many books one is going to have to buy to play their army. $50 codex plus $40 supplement? I guess we shouldn't expect any less from GW these days.

**finnan**

... why Saim-Hann colours? If they're focussing on wraith-constructs and an Iyanden book, why paint it up like this? Lots of flyers included in the 'host' of new releases? Bomber + new jetbikes?
I'm just thinking of the massed-army shot that will be the gatefold double page spread in WD...

**His Master's Voice**

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
I found about a dozen that have been scaled and re-surfaced that's why I commented but thanks for asking x

Found a dozen, named none. As expected.

**PalmerC**

I really like the picture of the farseer on the supplement it reminds me of the older helmets on the farseer. What do you think the chances are we may get a second farseer? Or perhaps it's a warlock?

**Sangarn**

Please satan give me a flier kit with eldar bomber + void raven bomber PLEASE, I will kill dozen of kitten for that !!

**Nvs**

I'm mixed on the subject.

While I think I would have preferred the Eldar be given a battle tank like the scorpion over another walker, I'm not opposed to the idea of a walker either so long as it's filling a role in the army.

Now as for the aesthetic, I'm not a fan and I hope it's just a poor angle. The chest is too large. The head is WAY too small (I can already see myself trying to put a wraithlord head on it). And the arms are too scrawny and short.

I just hope its rules don't suck so I actually see myself using it. I also would love to see a comparison shot to get an idea of how large it truly is. Using a revenant in its place would be ideal.

**JOHIRA**

Neronoxx wrote:
Doesn't it kinda look like a superhero body? With the huge bulked up chest...

That's what I mean by derpy. That silhouette doesn't belong in an Eldar army.

**Lumipon**

Riptide/Wraithknight Bro-Team GO!

On a serious note, seems very Riptide-y. Nothing against that per se, but it feels like a cop-out. Not enough originality to come up with new design, so just make a Riptide in spandex armor.

I would've loved a monstrous cavalry horse thing.

**happygolucky**

Are there any more pics of other stuff coming? that waithknight makes me want to see more...

**finnan**

Nvs wrote:
The head is WAY too small (I can already see myself trying to put a wraithlord head on it).

I have a feeling that the head is going to be bigger than a Wraithlord head...

**His Master's Voice**

I can't believe people are actually saying this looks like a Riptide. It's almost as bad as Blizzard fans saying 40k is a Starcraft rip-off.

**Asmodai Asmodean**

Bludbaff wrote:
My thoughts on this, summed up:

You sir win the internets

**Tyr Grimtooth**

Guess I am waiting for a Wolfknight now....hahahahaa!

But on a serious note, I am glad to see the Eldar getting some love after such a long time.