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 CaptKaruthors wrote:
I'm pissed that Dire Avengers went from a 10 to a box..down to 5 per box. That means even with 2 boxes you only have 8 regular guys and 2 exarchs...dumb. Why screw with that boxed set at all? It was fine as is. It would be nice if the Eldar got a troop/ aspect box that contains a full unit.

Half the minis for double the price is the GW way.

I can dig it.

Not sold on the knight though.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
115 US 140 CAN Wraithknight.

Wtf.

LOL, whoever it was that was trolling earlier, claiming to want to buy several wraithknights just because some of us complained about it, and how he'd "power it with our tears"... I hope wherever he lives tears are worth a lot of cash.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
Well, I was expecting a big wallet hit, but 70£? Ouch. Ok, that one makes me avoid the impulse buy and dread the near price increase.

This and the lowering of Dire Avengers to 5 models in a box makes me glad I already have over 4000pts of Eldar.

I reckon I can conceivably only buy the codex, power cards and a box or two of wraithguard and be happy. I may get the wraithknight and a flier or two, but those are definately in the maybe pile until more info is available.

Well, this really seems like weak release. Obsolete Eldar range got almost no replacement at all, only Wraithguard and Farseer (which didn't really need a new model). No Aspect warriors, no Phoenix Lords, Dire Avengers split in two, and mandatory cookie-cutter big monster and dual-kit flyer. Bleh. I mean, this is almost like a parody of a release. The flyer and new Wraithguard better look *really* good.

It's weird that GW seems to be basing their whole strategy on "impulse buys" and then decides to release huge, expensive models.

Maybe I'm insane, but I like to plan ahead for large purchases, of which the Wraithknight qualifies.

The Spiritseer, cards, and mini dex are decent impulse buys though.

As it stands, I will get the Codex, and maybe the Spiritseer. Then I will study that Codex and plan ahead for future purchases.

Shame GW is ignoring a wide range of older models in favor of new giant fischer price toys.

This release make me SO HAPPY !!!

It means the ORKS are one codex closer to getting a new one !!!! =)

Oh, and I always welcome new models to chop up and use as conversion pieces in my ork army. =P

I would use a FIVE STAR STORY model kit for a Wraithknight. Like the Knight of Gold...that would look a lot better than what they are releasing and cheaper too!

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
This release make me SO HAPPY !!!

It means the ORKS are one codex closer to getting a new one !!!! =)

Oh, and I always welcome new models to chop up and use as conversion pieces in my ork army. =P

Now that's some major looking on the bright side of things

£70? Holy cow... that just priced me out of getting one anytime soon.
Still haven't made my mind up about the Wraithknight... I kind of like it, but it's not amazing. In a way, I think that it's suffering form not being one thing or another. It's not just a scaled up W'lord, because of the pilot... but it's not quite so epic as a titan. I'd kind of liked to have seen a version of this that was bulkier, and it could have been an armoured assault walker, or something like that. We've seen slim and lithe Eldar before, but not beefed up and capable of taking hits...

Hard to say what's going to happen as there are still rumours flying around, but I'm already feeling let down and disappointed about this release. It could have been amazing if they had updated a lot of the current models, but this just seems rather lacklustre (as was the Tau release). I also don't understand how a huge, £70 walker is going to entice their target market into buying it, let alone starting a new army with old figures that while good, are showing their age, especially compared to the Dark Eldar. Did GW management not see how successful DEldar was? (or were they not all that successful?)
The Wraithknight intimidates me as a hobbyist - it's HUGE, will take an age to paint well, and I would imagine will be fairly horrible to transport (although I'm already seeing new GW carry-cases to accommodate big walkers and new flyers). I can't imagine too many teenagers being successful with it.. .or is that terribly cynical of me?

 Red Viper wrote:
It's weird that GW seems to be basing their whole strategy on "impulse buys" and then decides to release huge, expensive models.

I actually think this is a brilliant strategy if sales are shrinking across lines. It doesn't deal with the root problem which would be to get new gamers, but it does ensure sales to current customers. These releases cater to pre-existing armies. "I've got my core units, I just need the new units to keep my armies up to date." They are expensive, and may well offset the lack of entry into the hobby.

A 40k release every two months will be huge for revenue at the end of the fiscal, and I predict come June 30th that financially GW will be in the best position it's been at in years.

Does it grow the hobby? Nope. Does it buoy financials? Yep. GW isn't going anywhere for quite some time.

Now I think the question is that when they finish updating everyone to 6th, what will releases look like?

I bought three new Broadsides, a 3-pack of Crises, 2 packs of plastic pathfinders, Longstrike and a Riptide to update the force. THat's $420 USD just to "keep current" and the same about which I spent for my DA army update.

-Yakmandoo

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
I'm pissed that Dire Avengers went from a 10 to a box..down to 5 per box. That means even with 2 boxes you only have 8 regular guys and 2 exarchs...dumb. Why screw with that boxed set at all? It was fine as is. It would be nice if the Eldar got a troop/ aspect box that contains a full unit.

Half the minis for double the price is the GW way.

This is ridiculous... wow. GW ..

I'm really curious if this 115$ wraithknight rumor is accurate. If so.. sheesh that's pretty absurd.

Another awful GW release. Overpriced model that is way too big, no plastic aspect warriors, and $35 for 5 Dire Avengers is slowed. The only way they werent getting my money for this release was if they cocked up all three ways and theyve managed to do it.

I am impressed, this company can do no right.

It's why I'm buying all the boys ill ever need before they drop them down to 5 for a box

 Starfarer wrote:

 happygolucky wrote:
So the waithknight is £70...

And a Stompa is £60...

So your telling me that a super heavy walker is cheaper than a normal 40k kit?

Wow GW logic right there...

Well technically the Wraithknight is a Knight class titan. It's the same height as a stompa and just about 2-3 inches shorter than a Warhound titan. Just because is has a much slimmer frame and that they are now including small titans in normal 40k lists, doesn't mean GW will charge less.

<<Opening warp conduit>>

<<Seeking contact...>>

<<Contact established>>

<<Channeling Platuan4th!>>

KNIGHTS AREN'T TITANS!!!

OK, back to your regularly scheduled broadcast...

 wowsmash wrote:
It's why I'm buying all the boys ill ever need before they drop them down to 5 for a box

Their plan! It's working!

 Alpharius wrote:


<<Opening warp conduit>>

<<Seeking contact...>>

<<Contact established>>

<<Channeling Platuan4th!>>

KNIGHTS AREN'T TITANS!!!

OK, back to your regularly scheduled broadcast...

That said it is massive really taller than a stompa by the looks of it. It could be Apoc only. I'm going to guess not because GW wants your cash but in the past a kit this massive would have been to promote Apoc. So maybe this is an indication that Apoc becoming more mainstream. Or GW wanting Apoc to become more of a central part of 40k.

Also as a side note I don't like it. Really I don't.

Illic Nightspear
A clampack that contains one highly detailed Citadel Finecast resin miniature sculpted by Edgar Ramos. Illic Nightspear is an outcast who has become an deadly assassin armed with the sniper rifle Voidbringer.

As an Alaitoc player, this is really the only thing I'm excited about.

what are the prices in USD gonna be?

How can they possibly expect us to pay the same price as a Stompa for a model that at most uses 2/3 of the plastic as a Stompa?

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
I'm pissed that Dire Avengers went from a 10 to a box..down to 5 per box. That means even with 2 boxes you only have 8 regular guys and 2 exarchs...dumb. Why screw with that boxed set at all? It was fine as is. It would be nice if the Eldar got a troop/ aspect box that contains a full unit.

5 man will be the new full unit...


Half the minis for double the price is the GW way.

Except the Wraithguard just got a crap-ton cheaper.

Red Viper wrote:It's weird that GW seems to be basing their whole strategy on "impulse buys" and then decides to release huge, expensive models.

Maybe I'm insane, but I like to plan ahead for large purchases, of which the Wraithknight qualifies.

The Spiritseer, cards, and mini dex are decent impulse buys though.

As it stands, I will get the Codex, and maybe the Spiritseer. Then I will study that Codex and plan ahead for future purchases.

Harriticus wrote:Shame GW is ignoring a wide range of older models in favor of new giant fischer price toys.

If that were true, they wouldn't be on a steady volume and profit increase over the last 18 months. Budgeting is the responsible way to game, because you spend the same amount no matter what; trying to stock-pile for a hopeful big release is a good way to go really broke or be really disappointed (by any miniatures company).

As for the old minis: they aren't being "ignored." As in, GW didn't just forget they had those. Right now, it's about getting the books up-to-date, because customer complaint #1 for 15 years (outside of price - which is a problem with all miniatures games) was the slow, staggered codex releases leading to imbalanced rules, creep, etc. Give each army a little something new (which fans claimed was a good feature of PP's release style), and then bring the older minis up-to-date in future waves. Had GW just updated old models, I GUARANTEE you there would have been way more complaints about not getting anything new.

The biggest problem was actually internet forums and bad rumors. People were writing wish-lists of 30+ releases including 100% updates for models older than 6 years. Some even made up rules that won't be in the codex, and others just have no imagination to envision anything new beyond what they currently play. If you don't want the new models, put that chunk of your gaming budget aside for another day, and buy just the codex. Eventually, all the old stuff will be updated.

Consider that, at this release clip, all of the armies in 40k and Fantasy will have their hardbound book in less than 2 years. As GW plans on having 6th edition stick around for a while, what else are they going to release? Can't just do supplements every month, and can't come up with new splash releases 12 times a year either. Expect old models to get a refresh, like the Hive Tyrant did in the move to a hybrid plastic kit out of nowhere. You complain about GW's supposed short-term gains, and impulse buy strategy, yet have no ability yourselves to see things beyond the next two weeks.

In regards to those psychic powers that means the Eldar have two separate disciplines with 6 powers not including the Primaris.

That's quite some power. Here's hoping it's actually useful and actually contend with Divination and Telepathy.

so... prices?

 Vaktathi wrote:


that and it's odd having a "knight" being bigger and scarier than a "lord". Also at 9 inches tall, that's huge, it's just a bit smaller than a Forgeworld Revenant Titan.

I understand the Wraith Lord has been renamed the Wraith Squire in the new book.


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resipsa wrote:
so... prices?

If you have to ask you can't afford it.

If that price is really $115 USD. then grats on 100% preventing me from caring about 40k anymore. It's a PLASTIC model...

Plastic Wraithguard and a Iyanden supplement book. You're tempting me GW.. damn it.

 brassangel wrote:


If that were true, they wouldn't be on a steady volume and profit increase over the last 18 months. Budgeting is the responsible way to game, because you spend the same amount no matter what; trying to stock-pile for a hopeful big release is a good way to go really broke or be really disappointed (by any miniatures company).

As for the old minis: they aren't being "ignored." As in, GW didn't just forget they had those. Right now, it's about getting the books up-to-date, because customer complaint #1 for 15 years (outside of price - which is a problem with all miniatures games) was the slow, staggered codex releases leading to imbalanced rules, creep, etc. Give each army a little something new (which fans claimed was a good feature of PP's release style), and then bring the older minis up-to-date in future waves. Had GW just updated old models, I GUARANTEE you there would have been way more complaints about not getting anything new.

The biggest problem was actually internet forums and bad rumors. People were writing wish-lists of 30+ releases including 100% updates for models older than 6 years. Some even made up rules that won't be in the codex, and others just have no imagination to envision anything new beyond what they currently play. If you don't want the new models, put that chunk of your gaming budget aside for another day, and buy just the codex. Eventually, all the old stuff will be updated.

Consider that, at this release clip, all of the armies in 40k and Fantasy will have their hardbound book in less than 2 years. As GW plans on having 6th edition stick around for a while, what else are they going to release? Can't just do supplements every month, and can't come up with new splash releases 12 times a year either. Expect old models to get a refresh, like the Hive Tyrant did in the move to a hybrid plastic kit out of nowhere. You complain about GW's supposed short-term gains, and impulse buy strategy, yet have no ability yourselves to see things beyond the next two weeks.

QUOTED FOR TRUTH!!

I realised this same scheme when I got the tau codex. All the cool things that were "rumoured" i dont think are dead I just believe they are coming in future supplements once the base core rulebooks are updated for all armies.

I think the same is true for all armies, their will be waves of new stuff. Eldar specifically we ALL KNOW there are NEW jetbikes out there, they are likely just waiting to do them in a wave release down the line.

I think eldar specifically they kept the new items to a minimum to entice people to buy the 150 dollar behemoth they are making. If they released that dude with tons of new items, they would have had serious problems moving product....

where are you getting 115?