Eldar rumours (Preorder pics added to first post)

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**The Shadow**

I'm pretty excited about this release, I'll be looking forward to see what my Eldar will be able to do with their new rules.

I really like the sound of the CC Wraithguard and I hope they're good ruleswise. I hope the flyers are pretty good as well, they look like nice models from a glance and it'd be good to be an army with some air superiority for once. Also love the cover art for the Codex

That's really where my positives end though. I'm not a big fan of the Wraithknight, and I hope (although I'm not confident on this) that it's not a must-have for a decent army list. I'm not convinced about it being so big though. I'm also pretty gutted (mostly on behalf of new Eldar players) that the DA have been reduced to 5 a box. Fortunately for me, I've got plenty of DA already, though I may buy another box of 10 before they get replaced. I should have all the DA I'll ever need ever then.

**Capamaru**

Am I getting this correctly or we are getting no jetbikes according to the list on the first post? And dire avengers in a pack of 5??? Good thing I have 30 of them!

**gorgon**

YakManDoo wrote:
Red Viper wrote:
It's weird that GW seems to be basing their whole strategy on "impulse buys" and then decides to release huge, expensive models.

I actually think this is a brilliant strategy if sales are shrinking across lines. It doesn't deal with the root problem which would be to get new gamers, but it does ensure sales to current customers. These releases cater to pre-existing armies. "I've got my core units, I just need the new units to keep my armies up to date." They are expensive, and may well offset the lack of entry into the hobby.

A 40k release every two months will be huge for revenue at the end of the fiscal, and I predict come June 30th that financially GW will be in the best position it's been at in years.

Does it grow the hobby? Nope. Does it buoy financials? Yep. GW isn't going anywhere for quite some time.

Now I think the question is that when they finish updating everyone to 6th, what will releases look like?

I bought three new Broadsides, a 3-pack of Crises, 2 packs of plastic pathfinders, Longstrike and a Riptide to update the force. THat's $420 USD just to "keep current" and the same about which I spent for my DA army update.

I agree that this general approach is very smart for them now that they have so many "core" sets in plastic. It's the best way to reach both the newbies and the existing customers at the time of codex release. Heck, I dropped a couple hundred on Tyranids at the last update despite having a large army already. And they didn't even include Tervigons/Tyrannofexes in the initial release!

I figure that additional waves including mini refreshes will come later, alongside supplements, campaign books, etc. The rumor was that's what the studio wants to focus on after they get the bulk of the armies updated for 6th.

**Capamaru**

Do you know what will be really funny... Wraithknight being T:6, since it has a squishy eldar somewhere inside its chest while the wraithlord is solid wraithbone

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**Squigsquasher**

Early to judge, but the Wraithknight looks a bit too similar to the Riptide for my liking. Still a nice kit, but awfully similar.

And I really do hope it isn't £70, 'cause that would be totally absurd.

Still, like I say, nice model.

**disel24**

I think the only thing that so far ticks me off about this release is that it's basically 100 dollars worth of books because of the codex and then the supplement... which will probably be 60 pages of nothing important.

I'm sick of GW's willingness to be a raper

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I think the only thing that so far ticks me off about this release is that it's basically 100 dollars worth of books because of the codex and then the supplement... which will probably be 60 pages of nothing important.

I'm sick of GW's willingness to be a raper

**Crazyterran**

Wait, that Wraithknight is a walker?

If it's not a MC i'd be slightly disappointed if i played Eldar. MCs are wayyyy more survivable this edition, imo.

The Iyanden supplemental book is interesting. I wonder if we'll see something similiar in other Codexs? (It'd be a way of handling Codex: Marines if you want to play Imperial Fists or White Scars or something.) Then again, that means they might get rid of Bike armies out of the codex!

**Capamaru**

NOOO Jetbikes!!!

**Nocturnus**

I guess the rumor regarding a new Avatar was wrong :(
Oh well, time to call Forgeworld.

**Quark**

gorgon wrote:
I agree that this general approach is very smart for them now that they have so many "core" sets in plastic. It's the best way to reach both the newbies and the existing customers at the time of codex release. Heck, I dropped a couple hundred on Tyranids at the last update despite having a large army already. And they didn't even include Tervigons/Tyrannofexes in the initial release!

I figure that additional waves including mini refreshes will come later, alongside supplements, campaign books, etc. The rumor was that's what the studio wants to focus on after they get the bulk of the armies updated for 6th.

Except it's stretching the truth, at best, to say Eldar "core" is in plastic. The core is aspect warriors, of which 1 of 8 is plastic. Being a relatively new player, I would go nuts on new plastic infantry.

**-DE-**

I like the Wraithknight. It made me realize how nice the mecha models I own are, at 1/3 the price, and that there are so many others out there I'd like to own instead of this cheap, badly-designed knock-off. If only it was price-cheap, but alas...

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

resipsa wrote:
where are you getting 115?

Somebody earlier claimed to know the UK price would be £70 (but didn't post where the info came from)

people are now converting from that figure

(I'm not saying whether the figure is real or not, I've no way to judge)

**pizzaguardian**

I sincerely hope i was trolled about that 70 pounds WK price. But i don't think so.

**undertow**

Mkvenner wrote:
In regards to those psychic powers that means the Eldar have two separate disciplines with 6 powers not including the Primaris.

That's quite some power. Here's hoping it's actually useful and actually contend with Divination and Telepathy.

As long as Doom and Fortune are Primaris powers of some sort, I'll be happy.

Also, as a Daemons player, I'm looking forward to Runes of Warding getting a solid nerf.

**-DE-**

The wraitknight will sell for 120 USD. That's an unfortunate fact.

**DeffDred**

The Wraithtide looks stupid. I sure won't be getting one. First that godawful GK monstosity then the ugly Mega-crisis-suit.

So what are we looking at for space marines? The new Terminator-terminator armor with landraider arms and a baneblade for a head?

Thanks GW! We really need this overpriced pile of crap!

**Jacob29**

Quark wrote:Except it's stretching the truth, at best, to say Eldar "core" is in plastic. The core is aspect warriors, of which 1 of 8 is finecast. Being a relatively new player, I would go nuts on new plastic infantry.

Do you mean 1 of 8 is plastic?

pizzaguardian wrote:I sincerely hope i was trolled about that 70 pounds WK price. But i don't think so.

Were you the one to email Natfka the releases?

**TheDraconicLord**

DeffDred wrote:
The Wraithtide looks stupid. I sure won't be getting one. First that godawful GK monstosity then the ugly Mega-crisis-suit.

So what are we looking at for space marines? The new Terminator-terminator armor with landraider arms and a baneblade for a head?

Thanks GW! We really need this overpriced pile of crap!

If they are smart, probably Knights.

**Ministry**

undertow wrote:
Mkvenner wrote:
In regards to those psychic powers that means the Eldar have two separate disciplines with 6 powers not including the Primaris.

That's quite some power. Here's hoping it's actually useful and actually contend with Divination and Telepathy.

As long as Doom and Fortune are Primaris powers of some sort, I'll be happy.

Also, as a Daemons player, I'm looking forward to Runes of Warding getting a solid nerf.

As a Tau player, I'm looking forward to Runes of Warding getting left alone as we have zero psychic defense vs daemons especially!

**Nocturnus**

Quark wrote:
gorgon wrote:
I agree that this general approach is very smart for them now that they have so many "core" sets in plastic. It's the best way to reach both the newbies and the existing customers at the time of codex release. Heck, I dropped a couple hundred on Tyranids at the last update despite having a large army already. And they didn't even include Tervigons/Tyrannofexes in the initial release!

I figure that additional waves including mini refreshes will come later, alongside supplements, campaign books, etc. The rumor was that's what the studio wants to focus on after they get the bulk of the armies updated for 6th.

Except it's stretching the truth, at best, to say Eldar "core" is in plastic. The core is aspect warriors, of which 1 of 8 is finecast. Being a relatively new player, I would go nuts on new plastic infantry.

Except their "core" Aspects are plastic. And we all know that Guardians should be the core of any Eldar army...

**Shandara**

Nocturnus wrote:
Quark wrote:
gorgon wrote:
I agree that this general approach is very smart for them now that they have so many "core" sets in plastic. It's the best way to reach both the newbies and the existing customers at the time of codex release. Heck, I dropped a couple hundred on Tyranids at the last update despite having a large army already. And they didn't even include Tervigons/Tyrannofexes in the initial release!

I figure that additional waves including mini refreshes will come later, alongside supplements, campaign books, etc. The rumor was that's what the studio wants to focus on after they get the bulk of the armies updated for 6th.

Except it's stretching the truth, at best, to say Eldar "core" is in plastic. The core is aspect warriors, of which 1 of 8 is finecast. Being a relatively new player, I would go nuts on new plastic infantry.

Except their "core" Aspects are plastic. And we all know that Guardians should be the core of any Eldar army...

Shush you.

**Jacob29**

Nocturnus wrote:

Except their "core" Aspects are plastic. And we all know that Guardians should be the core of any Eldar army...

They are? News to me..

A small pop currently uses Guardians and Dire Avengers... usually only for fluff.

You are supposed to use the Aspect Warriors... the ones that are ALL finecast.

**Squigsquasher**

-DE- wrote:
I like the Wraithknight. It made me realize how nice the mecha models I own are, at 1/3 the price, and that there are so many others out there I'd like to own instead of this cheap, badly-designed knock-off. If only it was price-cheap, but alas...

**Absolutionis**

Jacob29 wrote:
Nocturnus wrote:

Except their "core" Aspects are plastic. And we all know that Guardians should be the core of any Eldar army...

They are? News to me..

A small pop currently uses Guardians and Dire Avengers... usually only for fluff.

You are supposed to use the Aspect Warriors... the ones that are ALL finecast.

Dire Avengers are Aspect Warriors.

**BrassScorpion**

Kirasu wrote:
I'm really curious if this 115$ wraithknight rumor is accurate.

A Farseer has used the limits of his powers to see all the way to roughly four days from now and divine this information.

If so.. sheesh that's pretty absurd.

It is a bit absurd. I really thought if they pushed past the $85 price point they already used for a couple models that they'd not go past $95 or $99 yet, but I guess the sell-out of the Riptide at $85 has inflated the hubris of GW execs beyond that of some of the supernatural beings in their Warhammer 40,000 lore. Essentially, we've had what amount to monthly price increases on new product from GW over the past year as each new release pushes higher price points. One has to wonder at what point the whole thing will collapse on itself when customers simply will not or cannot accept any more of these rapid price increases.

**CaptKaruthors**

This and the lowering of Dire Avengers to 5 models in a box makes me glad I already have over 4000pts of Eldar.

Yup. I'm pushing 10k of Eldar, but I hate that they mess with something that doesn't need messing with instead of focusing on giving us another box of plastic something. Why ruin a perfectly good boxed set? 10 guys...a full unit. It's the *only* full unit Eldar get...yet marine tacticals are still a full 10. Dumb.

**Absolutionis**

CaptKaruthors wrote:
This and the lowering of Dire Avengers to 5 models in a box makes me glad I already have over 4000pts of Eldar.

Yup. I'm pushing 10k of Eldar, but I hate that they mess with something that doesn't need messing with instead of focusing on giving us another box of plastic something. Why ruin a perfectly good boxed set? 10 guys...a full unit. It's the *only* full unit Eldar get...yet marine tacticals are still a full 10. Dumb.

Guardians are the 10-man minimum squad. Dire Avengers can be taken in a 50man squad. Space Marines can Combat Squad into 5-man teams, but they're still taken in multiples of 10.

Plus, back in 5thEd when Troops could score in transports, the Wave Serpent with the DA "upgrade" was rather common.

**Kohala**

BrassScorpion wrote:
Kirasu wrote:
I'm really curious if this 115$ wraithknight rumor is accurate.

A Farseer has used the limits of his powers to see all the way to roughly four days from now and divine this information.

If so.. sheesh that's pretty absurd.
It is a bit absurd. I really thought if they pushed past the $85 price point they already used for a couple models that they'd not go past $95 or $99 yet, but I guess the sell-out of the Riptide at $85 has inflated the hubris of GW execs beyond that of some of the supernatural beings in their Warhammer 40,000 lore. Essentially, we've had what amount to monthly price increases on new product from GW over the past year as each new release pushes higher price points. One has to wonder at what point the whole thing will collapse on itself when customers simply will not or cannot accept any more of these rapid price increases.

Well based on this post at bartertown from a retailer, looks like the Wraithknight is definitly $100+

http://www.bartertown.com/trading/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=200212
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http://www.bartertown.com/trading/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=200194

Absurd!

**Kroothawk**

@pizzaguardian: Do you have any information on a jetbike release? Either new or repackage?
Several retailers talk about a WINDRIDER JETBIKE SQUADRON in addition to your list.

**BrassScorpion**

CaptKaruthors wrote:
This and the lowering of Dire Avengers to 5 models in a box makes me glad I already have over 4000pts of Eldar.

Yup. I'm pushing 10k of Eldar, but I hate that they mess with something that doesn't need messing with instead of focusing on giving us another box of plastic something. Why ruin a perfectly good boxed set? 10 guys...a full unit. It's the *only* full unit Eldar get...yet marine tacticals are still a full 10. Dumb.

Where are people getting this from? Dire Avengers come in a 10-model box and will surely continue to come in a 10-model box.

It's the Eldar Battleforce that will only have 5 Avengers in it, which is silly, but the CURRENT Eldar Battleforce also only has 5 Avenger models in it. In other words, it's not desirable to have only 5 models in the Battleforce, but it's the way it's been for years and apparently that's not changing. This should have no effect on the current troop box of 10 Dire Avengers, it certainly hasn't up till now.

Contents of current Eldar Battleforce shown below. Some contents are changing, but apparently not the 5 Dire Avengers.