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(seriously it reminds me of all those neck-beards bitching about how the new transformer movie 'ruined their childhood' cause bumblebee was diff..)

We bitch about those movies not because Bumble Bee was different...but because those movies were/are genuinely terrible movies...

I for one, am intrigued about the amount of psychic powers available. I'm curious to see just how decent of a farseer you can construct with the powers table. It would suck if you weren't guaranteed fortune, etc.

So from the rumors posted it seems that both the Wraithknight and the Fighter bomber can be configured for an anti tank or anti infantry role.

Wraithknight, 2 of the str 6 ap 2 blast weapons and 2 starcannons is a fair amount of ap 2 weaponry (wounding on 2's in many cases) or take the super lance weapon if you want anti tank.

I am really excited about the rumors on the fighter, 2 brightlances and a pulsar, seems like a Vendetta Lite, enough weaponry to take out AP 12 fliers and be versatile enough that if your opponent has no fliers, it can take on anti tank duties. Hoping the cost isnt too high.

Any word on what Wraith Swords actually do?

 His Master's Voice wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
No, because the existence of limitations is the positive claim.

Holy feth, you even tried to pull a Russell on me. Look dude, this has nothing to do with burden of proof. We're not talking about the real world. Even if we would, your claim that Eldar are omnipotent and can conjure titans out of thin air is the claim than needs some support, unlike my assumption that they follow the same rules each and every other race in the setting is bound by - limited by power and material consumption, as well as manpower. I know which one is more probable.

I see your teapot and rise you by a razor. Now we're both equally ridiculous.

Didn't you read your Eldar background? It explicitly says wraithbone is self repairing and draws warp power through itself. The limitations are there: time and necessity for skilled personnel. Lack of material however is not one of them.

Burden of proof is relevant because universes have to be internally self-consistent within their own fictional paradigm. Application of real world conceptions of Occam's Razor is faulty because it has to be within the context of the universe, and in a universe where the warp is a real source of power and material, what seems ridiculous in real life is not so in 40K. I never said Eldar were omnipotent before. We do know however they do conjure their material goods and weapons of war out of thin air. You seem to be unaware of the evidence from both past Eldar Codices and also the GW Epic Swordwind supplement as to what wraithbone actually is. You seem to have also mistakenly assumed not being limited by material to being omnipotent. One doesn't not equate to the other.

The point was that the Eldar are not not being limited by material, but rather by manpower and by time as opposed to the Imperium which has the opposite limitations. However within such a context, the limitations on the Wraithknight appear more incongruous given FW's lifting of such piloting limitations for Eldar Titans.

Now if you can actually come up with some actual proof as to Eldar manufacturing limitations since the burden is on you after all,do so. There have been already some references to examples in the background given of no apparent Eldar material limitations. Ranting on about how you wish things were in 40K does no good when GW has already stated how things work for the Eldar. You may disagree with that, but you don't have the 40K IP and don't determine what happens in 40K. The Eldar have limitations in 40K, but they are not limited in material.

New melee wraithguard (I mean wraithblades)
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6320/1369141601555.jpg

meh, don't do much for me.

the fighter however, http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/9240/1369141360725.jpg
not bad, though maybe a slightly longer fuselage would have been nice

I wish we could find out more about the Autarch and the rumored aspect changes. The worst thing about Eldar right now is the compulsory eldrad + farseer in every HQ slot. I really hope this was fixed as simply cutting guardian points by 25% isn't going to be enough.


The wraithguard I kind of like. Just wish they were swords instead of axes (for aesthetics). I imagine they'll always attack last and at only 1 attack I can't imagine them ever being a good buy.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Any chance this thread can go back to being about Codex Eldar news and rumors?

there is... if refrain from being snooty about it... a simple "please stay on track" would have sufficed.

If GW confined themselves to re-releasing the same established units over and over again, they'd get ripped a new one for being uncreative

I wasnt remarking on them making new items, I was remarking on them rewriting armies for the sake of new items... nothing says each race cant be like the tau with the invention of new tech, but even then that doesnt make sense as according to GW's marketing department, there will never be a 41K... it'll just be rehash after rehash until somebody finally gets smart and says "ok, we've had enough"

 Ovion wrote:
Any word on what Wraith Swords actually do?

Well the wraithlords sword allows rerolls to hit of some sort in cc, so somewhere along the lines of TL or like tyranid scything talons perhaps?

Hm.. I get the feeling that the wraithblades are going to be nothing more than the Eldar version of the lychguard. Slow and high toughness that accomplishes nothing.

 wana10 wrote:
New melee wraithguard (I mean wraithblades)
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6320/1369141601555.jpg

meh, don't do much for me.

the fighter however, http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/9240/1369141360725.jpg
not bad, though maybe a slightly longer fuselage would have been nice

I like the fighter, I will be cutting the top of the Wraithblade's helmets(?) off though. Don't like that weird part on the top.. prefer the smooth clean helmets

 wana10 wrote:
New melee wraithguard (I mean wraithblades)
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6320/1369141601555.jpg

meh, don't do much for me.

the fighter however, http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/9240/1369141360725.jpg
not bad, though maybe a slightly longer fuselage would have been nice

Those both look pretty decent, the wraithgaurd/blades seem a bit small but I like the design

 Sidstyler wrote:
I knew the wraithknight would have a 3-digit price tag. I fething knew it.

Well, yeah, based on their pricing structure I don't think there was much doubt that it would be $100+. The other large warmachines, i.e. Stompas, Baneblades are the same price, so it stands to reason the 9" mini titan would be around that price. I just don't get why people are continually shocked by GW's pricing. In fact, what is shocking to me is Wraithguard are only 5 for $50.

Getting confirmation the Iyanden book is not necessary for gameplay is good news. I'm all for extra optional books for those that want them, but if it had required 2 books at $100 just to play a specific army build, I think people would have been rightfully furious.

 wana10 wrote:
New melee wraithguard (I mean wraithblades)
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6320/1369141601555.jpg

meh, don't do much for me.

the fighter however, http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/9240/1369141360725.jpg
not bad, though maybe a slightly longer fuselage would have been nice

The Wraithguard axes look very WHFB High Elf like. Would have been nicer for swords or if they had gone for the old Howling Banshee Exarch axe style. Don't like the extra crest on top of the Wraithguard head.

As for the fighter, I agree a longer fuselage would be nice. The dorsal vanes break up the silhouette a lot. Might do better without them for a smoother outline in contrast the the spikier jaggedness of the Dark Eldar. I am guessing that is the rumored Crimson Hunter Aspect with its Aspect rune on the rear there or maybe it is the one on the wing.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:

 Enigma wrote:

megatrons2nd over at Warseer wrote:One of my local guys said that what he heard for the Iyanden book is it has rules for attacking a Craftworld.

Wait... didn't we get enough of that grox-crap from Path of the warrior?
I have so far never heard of any attack on a craftworld that's been presented as remotely reasonable -.-

Except that Iyanden was attacked by a major hive fleet, which is why they make such extensive use of wraithguard and wraithlords. Not only was it attacked, but it was nearly destroyed.

Sorry, I don't know how I managed to forget One of the most important events in "recent" eldar history. What I was talking of was more of a planned intelligent attack. Iyanden was not really attacked as much as "got in the Way" of Kraken. I think it was Kraken?
I can ser how the shadow of the hivefleet in the warp scrambled the seers precognition, bit I seriously don't belive in an attack from the imperium, orka, tau or such... But that's probably just me

 Ctan_Overlord wrote:


Those both look pretty decent, the wraithgaurd/blades seem a bit small but I like the design

They are on Termie bases now apparently.

So that might be why they seem smaller.

Jacob29 wrote:

 Ctan_Overlord wrote:


Those both look pretty decent, the wraithgaurd/blades seem a bit small but I like the design

They are on Termie bases now apparently.

So that might be why they seem smaller.

Ah, then they seem about right

And so long as I'm passing personal judgement on new models the new sniper dude (pathfinder exarch?) looks awesome
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9299/1369141751925.jpg

I like both.

Looks like the Wraithblades will have an invulnerable save. I wonder if they will have that option if they take guns (prob not).

 Starfarer wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
I knew the wraithknight would have a 3-digit price tag. I fething knew it.

Well, yeah, based on their pricing structure I don't think there was much doubt that it would be $100+. The other large warmachines, i.e. Stompas, Baneblades are the same price, so it stands to reason the 9" mini titan would be around that price. I just don't get why people are continually shocked by GW's pricing. In fact, what is shocking to me is Wraithguard are only 5 for $50.

Getting confirmation the Iyanden book is not necessary for gameplay is good news. I'm all for extra optional books for those that want them, but if it had required 2 books at $100 just to play a specific army build, I think people would have been rightfully furious.

Its not apocalypse model... thats whats wrong with the price... also, 5 dire avengers for the same price as the old 10? if its the same one with no visual upgrade then there is no excuse but greediness

 wana10 wrote:
And so long as I'm passing personal judgement on new models the new sniper dude (pathfinder exarch?) looks awesome
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9299/1369141751925.jpg

Think that's the special character, Illic Nightspear.

He was referenced in the new Necron Codex though he was shown more by his failures than by his strengths in that one.

 wana10 wrote:
And so long as I'm passing personal judgement on new models the new sniper dude (pathfinder exarch?) looks awesome
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9299/1369141751925.jpg

Doesn't he look similar to that one character from DoW2: retribution? I like this very much!

 wana10 wrote:

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6320/1369141601555.jpg

http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/9240/1369141360725.jpg

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9299/1369141751925.jpg

Fighter, not so fussed about that. The Wraithblades, however.

 wana10 wrote:
And so long as I'm passing personal judgement on new models the new sniper dude (pathfinder exarch?) looks awesome
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9299/1369141751925.jpg

He is great very sniper looking , but the aircraft is kinda of a disappointment and wraithblades are gonna need conversion work...

Agamemnon2 wrote:Since the sculpt appears complete there, it has to be a simple cost-profit calculation that led to it being scrapped. It simply doesn't pay to redo them.

Only in the minds of GW managers. People like cool things, and a 25 year old model is not that cool anymore, the 6 year old prototype by Jes Goodwin is. Many people would love to play Saim Hann with lots of jetbikes, even replacing existing jetbikes. This is clearly a missed chance for huge profits .... if GW doesn't release them in a second wave, as I still suspect and hope. Esp. as Hastings predicted new bikes.

Fayric wrote:Someone said GW focus on new codex entries for first waves to avoid freebooting resinbit providers, and such problems as they had with the wolf cav.

Making no female farseer for 25 years is forcing Eldar players to fill their demand from other companies.
That said, there have been resin and plastic Eldar jetbikes close to the GW prototype sold.

Ledabot wrote:Thanks for the rumors, but are you sure that the ancient enemys wasn't crons. It sounds right since there both well, old, and they seem to match up army's against there main foes in the battle report.

Well, Necrons went to sleep for 65 millions years just escape Eldar. So I am quite certain that Necrons are the old enemy.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:

 Enigma wrote:

megatrons2nd over at Warseer wrote:One of my local guys said that what he heard for the Iyanden book is it has rules for attacking a Craftworld.

Wait... didn't we get enough of that grox-crap from Path of the warrior?
I have so far never heard of any attack on a craftworld that's been presented as remotely reasonable -.-

Except that Iyanden was attacked by a major hive fleet, which is why they make such extensive use of wraithguard and wraithlords. Not only was it attacked, but it was nearly destroyed.

Seems Enigma has never read the background of the craftworld Iyanden. And never heard of the craftworld Malan'tai

Comparing that Flyer to the aircrafts FW has designed so far for eldar and I'm not impressed at all. It should have Been longer, thinner and more elegant :(

Can I ask for a source of this pictures?

Granted there is the baidu watermark but isn't that chinese google?

 WarlordRob117 wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
I knew the wraithknight would have a 3-digit price tag. I fething knew it.

Well, yeah, based on their pricing structure I don't think there was much doubt that it would be $100+. The other large warmachines, i.e. Stompas, Baneblades are the same price, so it stands to reason the 9" mini titan would be around that price. I just don't get why people are continually shocked by GW's pricing. In fact, what is shocking to me is Wraithguard are only 5 for $50.

Getting confirmation the Iyanden book is not necessary for gameplay is good news. I'm all for extra optional books for those that want them, but if it had required 2 books at $100 just to play a specific army build, I think people would have been rightfully furious.

Its not apocalypse model... thats whats wrong with the price... also, 5 dire avengers for the same price as the old 10? if its the same one with no visual upgrade then there is no excuse but greediness

What does it have to do with Apocalypse? So if it was only usable in bigger games played less often, than in every game, if desired, somehow justifies it? The reality is, GW is putting Apocaylpse scale stuff into standard 40k games now, and that's what the Wraithknight is.

And what does Dire Avengers have to do with anything I said? I'm not defending their prices, I'm just saying a massive kit with a high price shouldn't be shocking to anyone. Got a problem with the DA price increase? Buy them now at the current price, or don't buy anything at all if you prefer. GW keeps raising prices because people keep paying it.

Iracundus wrote:
Now if you can actually come up with some actual proof as to Eldar manufacturing limitations since the burden is on you after all,do so. There have been already some references to examples in the background given of no apparent Eldar material limitations. Ranting on about how you wish things were in 40K does no good when GW has already stated how things work for the Eldar. You may disagree with that, but you don't have the 40K IP and don't determine what happens in 40K. The Eldar have limitations in 40K, but they are not limited in material.

You're asking me to provide proof of Eldar manufacturing limitations after admitting they're limited by manpower and time, both of which are kinda important in manufacturing, especially when you need a very specialised caste of psykers to produce and manipulate wraithbone.

Seriously.

Here's the bomber as well, http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/5412/1369141322383.jpg
I think I prefer the wings better on the fighter with the top bits stuck on especially when i look at how far down angled they are in this pic,
http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/2818/1369141469622.jpg

edit* with the wings that swoopy how would these things ever land?

edit2* saw i was sourced in the op, I'm just bringing these pics over from /tg/. saw they weren't posted here and figured some eldar players might like to see them so I moved them to imageshack and stuck the links here.