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I'm not wild about the wraithblades. I think the idea is cool, but the extra thing on the helmet, and the axes?

I'll probably see what i can do about changing the helmets to match other wraithguard, and getting glaives in there. Counts-as if need be.

Flyer - cool, but i don't really see myself ever using fliers.

Illic - Illest. Will buy.

 zedmeister wrote:

 wana10 wrote:

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6320/1369141601555.jpg

http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/9240/1369141360725.jpg

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9299/1369141751925.jpg

Fighter, not so fussed about that. The Wraithblades, however.

The Wraithguard are a HUGE improvement to the old ones. Rules-wise, the assault WG are likely very similar to Necrons. They even have the Autarch Field Generator on their arm which will likely give them an invulnerable save. However, I doubt I'll want them as an assault element, but you never know.

The Sniper character is OUTSTANDING! Don't care about the rules, he is going into my collection.

The Flier looks very different that I anticpated, but I like it a lot. I'm hoping it will be a viable piece. I'm yet to see the DA or Tau fliers even hit the table, so I've got my fingers crossed.

Overall, the models so far look great. However, I can't justify a $115 retail price for a single model and may have to find the best discount for this piece.

The fighter/bomber is cool, even if it does look like some cheap '80s cartoon toy. Somehow with the colour and shape...

It reminds me of some toy line.

 Kroothawk wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:Since the sculpt appears complete there, it has to be a simple cost-profit calculation that led to it being scrapped. It simply doesn't pay to redo them.

Only in the minds of GW managers. People like cool things, and a 25 year old model is not that cool anymore, the 6 year old prototype by Jes Goodwin is. Many people would love to play Saim Hann with lots of jetbikes, even replacing existing jetbikes. This is clearly a missed chance for huge profits .... if GW doesn't release them in a second wave, as I still suspect and hope. Esp. as Hastings predicted new bikes.

Fayric wrote:Someone said GW focus on new codex entries for first waves to avoid freebooting resinbit providers, and such problems as they had with the wolf cav.

Making no female farseer for 25 years is forcing Eldar players to fill their demand from other companies.
That said, there have been resin and plastic Eldar jetbikes close to the GW prototype sold.

Ledabot wrote:Thanks for the rumors, but are you sure that the ancient enemys wasn't crons. It sounds right since there both well, old, and they seem to match up army's against there main foes in the battle report.

Well, Necrons went to sleep for 65 millions years just escape Eldar. So I am quite certain that Necrons are the old enemy.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:

 Enigma wrote:

megatrons2nd over at Warseer wrote:One of my local guys said that what he heard for the Iyanden book is it has rules for attacking a Craftworld.

Wait... didn't we get enough of that grox-crap from Path of the warrior?
I have so far never heard of any attack on a craftworld that's been presented as remotely reasonable -.-

Except that Iyanden was attacked by a major hive fleet, which is why they make such extensive use of wraithguard and wraithlords. Not only was it attacked, but it was nearly destroyed.

Seems Enigma has never read the background of the craftworld Iyanden. And never heard of the craftworld Malan'tai

Yes, bacause I feel that an entire craftworld would not notice a tyranid eating the infinity circuit? that piece of garbage fluff is totally ignored by me ^^
I feel better that way

Illic Nightspear is looking really nice. I might actually pick him up just to paint, alongside of the Rangers I've had sitting in my bits box for almost four years now.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
Now if you can actually come up with some actual proof as to Eldar manufacturing limitations since the burden is on you after all,do so. There have been already some references to examples in the background given of no apparent Eldar material limitations. Ranting on about how you wish things were in 40K does no good when GW has already stated how things work for the Eldar. You may disagree with that, but you don't have the 40K IP and don't determine what happens in 40K. The Eldar have limitations in 40K, but they are not limited in material.

You're asking me to provide proof of Eldar manufacturing limitations after admitting they're limited by manpower and time, both of which are kinda important in manufacturing, especially when you need a very specialised caste of psykers to produce and manipulate wraithbone.

Seriously.

You didn't read the original post carefully at all obviously. The original quote talked of how the limitation was in pilots, and manpower, not of limitation in ability to manufacture due to lack of knowledge such as the Imperium. You seem to be the only one that seems to have run off claiming this was a claim to omnipotence for the Eldar and then contesting the lack of material limitation.

Because the Imperium is limited by its approach to technology. Manufacturing is the bottleneck, with some items hardly being manufactured at all or via rote repetition of little understood processes. In the Imperium, bodies are not a limiting factor, but the availability of technology. It is why the Imperial Guard are sent off with what the Imperium can mass produce, not the best of what the Imperium can produce.

However the Eldar don't have this apparent bottleneck. The Bonesingers sing their technology into existence. There has never been any specific indication in the background for example that Eldar Titan manufacture is limited. The Eldar limitation is supposedly dwindling numbers of living Eldar, so it is an entirely different situation from the Imperium. If your limitation is the number of living bodies, and thus also the number of pilots, the approach should be the opposite: of fitting out each as well as possible. Thus the whole concept of Eldar Guardians being used as ablative armor hordes, being armed with essentially a SMG and paper armor, is also counter to the whole theme of the Eldar, that of a dwindling race skilled in psychic technology.l

There is no information given that Eldar Titan manufacture is limited by material or by lack of knowledge. Given that the limitation is manpower and time, and not material, it makes no sense for Guardian hordes nor for specialized constructs that have even more finicky piloting limitations, especially when the Titans don't appear to have them anymore. Now that might change of GW adds or changes the background again but as things stand now, there does not seem to be a reason why the pilot of a Wraithknight couldn't just as well be piloting a Revenant fitted with their twin's stone.

Wonder if the fighter/bomber will be as nimble as the nightwing. Like that sniper!

I have always wondered why Wraithguard/Lords never had FnP, I mean the constructs are essentially dead. Perhaps they have FnP or It Will Not Die.

 Shandara wrote:
The fighter/bomber is cool, even if it does look like some cheap '80s cartoon toy. Somehow with the colour and shape...

It reminds me of some toy line.

That's what it reminds me of:

http://www.yojoe.com/reviews/vehicles/firebat2008/

I think it's the color.

Illric, the flier and the wraithblades look really good, so I'm happy with that Still not sold on the wraithknight, but I'm not so bothered, since I'll save myself a good bit of cash.

Also, are they shimmershields I spy on the wrist of the wraithblades? A 5++ in combat would be very nice for them indeed

 wana10 wrote:
Here's the bomber as well, http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/5412/1369141322383.jpg
I think I prefer the wings better on the fighter with the top bits stuck on especially when i look at how far down angled they are in this pic,
http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/2818/1369141469622.jpg

edit* with the wings that swoopy how would these things ever land?

edit2* saw i was sourced in the op, I'm just bringing these pics over from /tg/. saw they weren't posted here and figured some eldar players might like to see them so I moved them to imageshack and stuck the links here.

FW's books say the Eldar do not make use of landing gear and instead their craft always have their anti-gravity fields on even at rest, so they float off the ground at all times.

The flyer looks a bit like a flying chicken when looking at them from below!

Though the bomber looks a lot better...

The new angle of the fighter looks less stubby. But I still think it would look sleeker without those 2 vanes just behind the cockpit.

I wonder would it be possible to fit the body/cockpit of the bomber with the wings of the fighter for a hybrid construction?

I added more pics to the first post, inclding bomber, Spiritseer and Wraithguard guns.

 Enigma wrote:
Comparing that Flyer to the aircrafts FW has designed so far for eldar and I'm not impressed at all. It should have Been longer, thinner and more elegant :(

I agree. Nowhere near the elegance of FW models. Too close to exosting fighters. Reminds me of one. Looks close to the F-22:

 Kroothawk wrote:
I added more pics to the first post, inclding bomber, Spiritseer and Wraithguard guns.

 Enigma wrote:
Comparing that Flyer to the aircrafts FW has designed so far for eldar and I'm not impressed at all. It should have Been longer, thinner and more elegant :(

I agree. Nowhere near the elegance of FW models. Too close to exosting fighters. Reminds me of one. Looks close to the F-22:

To some extent all planes will look slightly similar just because of aerodynamics being the same for everyone. However I agree the FW Eldar craft looked more alien while still giving the impression of speed and maneuverability.

For the same reason I like the FW Wave Serpent better than the GW version. GW seems to think "Stick random vanes on it and that makes it Eldar"

 wana10 wrote:
Here's the bomber as well, http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/5412/1369141322383.jpg
I think I prefer the wings better on the fighter with the top bits stuck on especially when i look at how far down angled they are in this pic,
http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/2818/1369141469622.jpg

edit* with the wings that swoopy how would these things ever land?

edit2* saw i was sourced in the op, I'm just bringing these pics over from /tg/. saw they weren't posted here and figured some eldar players might like to see them so I moved them to imageshack and stuck the links here.

Ah, well you have my thanks. I kinda stopped looking at /tg/ as the threads were moving so slowly.

I aggregated all of the pictures on a reddit post in /r/warhammer. sourcing you and /tg/

Iracundus wrote:
There is no information given that Eldar Titan manufacture is limited by material or by lack of knowledge. Given that the limitation is manpower and time, and not material, it makes no sense for Guardian hordes

Eldar tech is limited by manpower and material supply (because the amount of wraithbone is directly correlated with the number of Eldar that can produce and manipulate it). That's on top of obvious cultural reasons for the existence of tiered military structure, the existence of Guardians, Aspects and specialized piloting personnel. I've addressed it all and now I'm done. Carry on as you were.

 Kroothawk wrote:
I added more pics to the first post, inclding bomber, Spiritseer and Wraithguard guns.

 Enigma wrote:
Comparing that Flyer to the aircrafts FW has designed so far for eldar and I'm not impressed at all. It should have Been longer, thinner and more elegant :(

I agree. Nowhere near the elegance of FW models. Too close to exosting fighters. Reminds me of one. Looks close to the F-22:

On topic, I actually really like the eldar flyer model. Then again, I really like nigh every flyer model I've seen. Maybe it's a silent grudge merely for being mainly a SW player who can't have any?

Off topic, how was that pic of the F-22 taken? I like the mental image of a guy hanging by his foot on a wire from a plane with a camera.

 Starfarer wrote:

 WarlordRob117 wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
I knew the wraithknight would have a 3-digit price tag. I fething knew it.

Well, yeah, based on their pricing structure I don't think there was much doubt that it would be $100+. The other large warmachines, i.e. Stompas, Baneblades are the same price, so it stands to reason the 9" mini titan would be around that price. I just don't get why people are continually shocked by GW's pricing. In fact, what is shocking to me is Wraithguard are only 5 for $50.

Getting confirmation the Iyanden book is not necessary for gameplay is good news. I'm all for extra optional books for those that want them, but if it had required 2 books at $100 just to play a specific army build, I think people would have been rightfully furious.

Its not apocalypse model... thats whats wrong with the price... also, 5 dire avengers for the same price as the old 10? if its the same one with no visual upgrade then there is no excuse but greediness

What does it have to do with Apocalypse? So if it was only usable in bigger games played less often, than in every game, if desired, somehow justifies it? The reality is, GW is putting Apocaylpse scale stuff into standard 40k games now, and that's what the Wraithknight is.

And what does Dire Avengers have to do with anything I said? I'm not defending their prices, I'm just saying a massive kit with a high price shouldn't be shocking to anyone. Got a problem with the DA price increase? Buy them now at the current price, or don't buy anything at all if you prefer. GW keeps raising prices because people keep paying it.

Are you kidding? you're the one comparing the wraithknight to apocalypse models and you're asking me what it has to do with Apocalypse?
this not the reality... MCs have been around longer than apocalypse has... I think you have your logic backwards...

Also, the remark that 5 wraithguard are "only" 50 bucks, its actually 60, not 50... they did the same thing with grey knights... 50 bucks for termy sized models, 35 for another troop choice with only 5 models in it... thats garbage and everyone deserves to be shocked... you dont pour money faithfully into a company for years and then have the company turn around and screw you, literally in this case by jacking up prices so high that people are shelling out gobs of cash to keep up with the times... Are you aware of what happens during hyper-inflation? products and companies tank, then everyone, whether they have money or not can say goodbye to the "Greatest minis in the world" (as they call themselves) company.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

Eldar tech is limited by manpower and material supply (because the amount of wraithbone is directly correlated with the number of Eldar that can produce and manipulate). That's on top of obvious cultural reasons for the existence of tiered military structure, the existence of Guardians, Aspects and specialized piloting personnel. I've addressed it all and now I'm done. Carry on as you were.

Really if you don't know your Eldar background, don't go around trying to make things up. If you have a point to make, produce evidence and cite it. Fanfiction does not count.

You didn't read the bit about wraithbone self-repair did you? That alone removes the limitation of material from existing constructs as they will repair given enough time, and wraithbone production can't really be cut off short of losing every Bonesinger. Once again the limitation is not of material shortage but of time. This is utterly different from the Imperium which relies on materials which can run short such as the various ores and metals like adamantium, or promethium. If a vein of ore runs out, then unless new sources are found, production lines shut down even if they are fully staffed with skilled personnel. A Bonesinger can produce wraithbone endlessly so long as they live, and that is a limitation of the Eldar life rather than that of wraithbone itself.

Iracundus wrote:
To some extent all planes will look slightly similar just because of aerodynamics being the same for everyone.

Aerodynamics??

Fighter/bomber - I actually like it. It's not as good as FW, but compared to how much GW bungles most flyers, these are good. I take that back- these aren't just good because GW has lowered expectations through past incompetent design - they're good in their own right. Not great, but good. I'm quite impressed that the fighter/bomber variants look so different. THIS is an example of how you get the silhouette of a model right. That thing is instantly recognizable.

Wraithblades - I always thought the idea of these was a bit silly, but not too bad. Given the descriptions I'd heard, I expected in typical GW style for these guys to be ridiculously over-the-top, either carrying 21-foot samurai swords or leaping around like Spiderman with Warp Spider exarch blades on their forearms. I'm pleased to see GW exercise a bit of restraint with weapons that are only slightly oversized.

The new design changes their character though. The old wraithguard being monopose suggested something about their character. They were just kind of there, which echoed the background about their limited connection with the real world and the Eldar reluctance to disturb their ancestors' sleep to use them. These guys striding around looking alert, active, dynamic, it feels like it changes the concept. Now it's hard to imagine why any Eldar would ever not put their ancestor in a robot body... they appear to have the same range of mobility they had in life.

Sniper - Silly. Typical GW. I'll pass. "Hey guys, I'm a super-stealthy sniper. That's why I tied up all my hair into a six-inch topknot that blows in the wind gracefully. It makes it easier for me to hide."

Verdict: I've been an Eldar fan since before I even knew what Warhammer 40K was (seriously, my first GW miniature was an Eldar jetbike roughly 17 years ago that I bought because it looked cool compared to the other miniatures in the store. Then. It looked cool then.) If any release was to get me back into GW, it was this one. And GW has made some positive steps with a decent fighter/bomber, decent wraithblades, and an inoffensive wraithknight, but coupled with the insane prices, the insulting doubled price on Dire Avengers, and the doubly-insulting choice not to re-do jetbikes, GW lost their shot at my money.

For those of you keeping score, that's my three favorite armies released in a row (Tau, High Elves, Eldar), each one of them a swing and a miss. I guess that's good news for my wallet. Looks like this summer it will be Drake, Red Box Games, or Infinity that get all of my miniature-buying-bucks.

Any chance of a link to working Wratihguard pics?

 Medium of Death wrote:
Any chance of a link to working Wratihguard pics?

http://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/comments/1erhhu/new_eldar_wraithblade_pictures/

I'd quote them individually, but im a little busy

 Kroothawk wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
To some extent all planes will look slightly similar just because of aerodynamics being the same for everyone.

Aerodynamics??

The principles of aerodynamics are the same for everyone. Whether or not people utilize them is another matter. I think Space Marine flyers fly through sheer thrust from their engines rather than relying on aerodynamic lift. Probably hideously inefficient but that's the Imperium.

 JOHIRA wrote:

Wraithblades - I always thought the idea of these was a bit silly, but not too bad. Given the descriptions I'd heard, I expected in typical GW style for these guys to be ridiculously over-the-top, either carrying 21-foot samurai swords or leaping around like Spiderman with Warp Spider exarch blades on their forearms. I'm pleased to see GW exercise a bit of restraint with weapons that are only slightly oversized.

Actually I think a form of double handed power sword might have looked better for Eldar given how their other swords borrow from samurai sword shapes or curved sabers. I retract the earlier sentence after seeing the sword armed Wratihblades

I get a Lychguard feeling from these Wraithblades. The Eldar had that pseudo-Egyptian flavor before the Necrons appeared, and both seem to fit that archetype of implacable advance, especially if they end up having some form of invulnerable save.

GW thinks it is the Ferrari of miniatures and prices accordingly ... that's why I'm buying a Porche.

M.

Is it just me, or do some of the pictures not work?

Lucarikx

The flyers look boss to me Hope their rules make them playable (i.e. can they survive the new Tau Riptide and HYMP spam?) I was hoping that one of our flyers would be a troop transport tbh.

I think all the leaked pics suffer from very mediocre paintjobs. They should really hire their Golden Demon winners to paint their stuff for them.... The Wraithknight and Wraithguard especially have a very flat color scheme with little to no highlights. The bomber and the fighter look like they have been painted by 2 different people (bomber is clearly superior painting).

Once these things get painted properly I think they will really stand out more.

agreed,new pics arent working.

Spiritseer: http://i.imgur.com/ilqb7ti.jpg

Wraithblades with, er, blades! http://i.imgur.com/2ymq1te.jpg