Eldar rumours (Preorder pics added to first post)

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**happygolucky**

I like Phil Kelly I think he does quite good codex's yes he will have the odd rule that usually gets exploited (e.g Long fang split fire, poisoned weapons for DE, etc) but he does usually write balanced codex's now these days in 6th edition (and his Ork Codex was very good as well until 6th).

**DaddyWarcrimes**

PredaKhaine wrote:
Whats the normal timescale from White Dwarf to release?

Am I right in thinking it's probably something like the following?

25/05 - White Dwarf
01/08 - Pre-orders available
08/08 - Stock arrives in GW

If it follows the established pattern, 25-May-2013 will be WD release date, with some subscriptions arriving starting today, and the digital edition and pre-orders going live at 00:01 GMT on 25-May-2013. Stock will arrive the following week, to be sold at open of business on 01-Jun-2013.

**Ktulhut**

PredaKhaine wrote:
Whats the normal timescale from White Dwarf to release?

Am I right in thinking it's probably something like the following?

25/05 - White Dwarf
01/08 - Pre-orders available
08/08 - Stock arrives in GW

I think you mean 6...

**DarknessEternal**

timd wrote:
OK, here we go... a buffed Wraith Knight:
Gundam MSN-06S Sinanju Ver Ka MG 1/100 Scale. Even has a shield.
22.6 meters tall in 1/100 scale makes the kit 8.9" tall.
$79.16 with free shipping

http://www.amazon.com/Gundam-MSN-06S-Sinanju-Ver-Scale/dp/B001GXSMSW/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1369198719&sr=8-12&keywords=gundam+mg

Look at the retail price of that kit. Maybe GW did some research on what people are willing to pay for similar products.

**Kanluwen**

Ktulhut wrote:
PredaKhaine wrote:
Whats the normal timescale from White Dwarf to release?

Am I right in thinking it's probably something like the following?

25/05 - White Dwarf
01/08 - Pre-orders available
08/08 - Stock arrives in GW

I think you mean 6...

He's not actually referring to a specific month.

He's referring to the days.

From the 25th of one month to the 5th of the next month, that's when White Dwarf will be released.
From the 1st to the 8th of a month, the preorders go up.
The 8th is around the timeframe when the preorders/stock arrives at GW and most independents that they deal directly with.

**rohansoldier**

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
PredaKhaine wrote:
Whats the normal timescale from White Dwarf to release?

Am I right in thinking it's probably something like the following?

25/05 - White Dwarf
01/08 - Pre-orders available
08/08 - Stock arrives in GW

If it follows the established pattern, 25-May-2013 will be WD release date, with some subscriptions arriving starting today, and the digital edition and pre-orders going live at 00:01 GMT on 25-May-2013. Stock will arrive the following week, to be sold at open of business on 01-Jun-2013.

This is correct. Which is why I will be staying up until midnight on Saturday 25th to get my pre order in early!!!

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Any news on the warlord traits?

I am intrigued to see what they have come up with for these.

**JOHIRA**

DarknessEternal wrote:
timd wrote:
OK, here we go... a buffed Wraith Knight:
Gundam MSN-06S Sinanju Ver Ka MG 1/100 Scale. Even has a shield.
22.6 meters tall in 1/100 scale makes the kit 8.9" tall.
$79.16 with free shipping

http://www.amazon.com/Gundam-MSN-06S-Sinanju-Ver-Scale/dp/B001GXSMSW/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1369198719&sr=8-12&keywords=gundam+mg

Look at the retail price of that kit. Maybe GW did some research on what people are willing to pay for similar products.

"Similar"?! The chest opens to reveal the pilot's compartment. It's poseable and re-poseable. Weapons can be swapped/equipped without the use of magnets. Its fingers are freaking articulated at each knuckle, and the thumb is on a ball and socket joint. All sorts of plates articulate, including hip armor and and the vectors on its thrusters. I'd bet money it has some modeling of the internal components, comes with transparent colored plastic for the beam weapons or for the visor, and it comes with a mini statue of the pilot.

They're not remotely similar, apart from both being robots and both being the same size. In comparison the wraithknight is a clumsy caveman's club next to beautiful Damascene blade. For GW to think their kit deserves to be priced remotely in the same range only shows how much they're taking the piss.

**Miguelsan**

I just saw it on the "flesh" today and I totally agree with Johira. It's more I saw other kits that at an inferior price to the Wraithknight official Japanese price deliver a much higer awesome factor.

M,

**BaconUprising**

That flyer looks amazing! Almost as good as the razorwing. I like the nightspear as well and the massive machine. Not sure if it is needed though, I mean we already have a wraithlord.

**The Spiritseer**

In the current Codex, how good are Vypers?
I'm trying to guesstimate if 1 or 2 of the "new" Battleforce is a good way to start Eldar.

**Gwyidion**

In the current codex, Vypers approach being barely viable.

But there is NO information on vypers in the new codex yet.

You can get vypers quite cheap on ebay (at least, I did)

**Nvs**

Having done the gundam model thing for awhile now, they are infinitely better quality than anything GW has ever created. A MG model is likely taller and has 10x more parts.

But that all said, I'll probably end up getting one knight if the rules for it aren't awful. I've always played Ulthwe but have wanted to give Iyanden a shot for a very long time. Now seems like the time to do it.

I just hope it's as effective as your typical deathwing army in this new book.

**Ravenous D**

JOHIRA wrote:
DarknessEternal wrote:
timd wrote:
OK, here we go... a buffed Wraith Knight:
Gundam MSN-06S Sinanju Ver Ka MG 1/100 Scale. Even has a shield.
22.6 meters tall in 1/100 scale makes the kit 8.9" tall.
$79.16 with free shipping

http://www.amazon.com/Gundam-MSN-06S-Sinanju-Ver-Scale/dp/B001GXSMSW/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1369198719&sr=8-12&keywords=gundam+mg

Look at the retail price of that kit. Maybe GW did some research on what people are willing to pay for similar products.

"Similar"?! The chest opens to reveal the pilot's compartment. It's poseable and re-poseable. Weapons can be swapped/equipped without the use of magnets. Its fingers are freaking articulated at each knuckle, and the thumb is on a ball and socket joint. All sorts of plates articulate, including hip armor and and the vectors on its thrusters. I'd bet money it has some modeling of the internal components, comes with transparent colored plastic for the beam weapons or for the visor, and it comes with a mini statue of the pilot.

They're not remotely similar, apart from both being robots and both being the same size. In comparison the wraithknight is a clumsy caveman's club next to beautiful Damascene blade. For GW to think their kit deserves to be priced remotely in the same range only shows how much they're taking the piss.

Yes, but is it British?

**traeplien**

Ravenous D wrote:
JOHIRA wrote:
DarknessEternal wrote:
timd wrote:
OK, here we go... a buffed Wraith Knight:
Gundam MSN-06S Sinanju Ver Ka MG 1/100 Scale. Even has a shield.
22.6 meters tall in 1/100 scale makes the kit 8.9" tall.
$79.16 with free shipping

http://www.amazon.com/Gundam-MSN-06S-Sinanju-Ver-Scale/dp/B001GXSMSW/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1369198719&sr=8-12&keywords=gundam+mg

Look at the retail price of that kit. Maybe GW did some research on what people are willing to pay for similar products.

"Similar"?! The chest opens to reveal the pilot's compartment. It's poseable and re-poseable. Weapons can be swapped/equipped without the use of magnets. Its fingers are freaking articulated at each knuckle, and the thumb is on a ball and socket joint. All sorts of plates articulate, including hip armor and and the vectors on its thrusters. I'd bet money it has some modeling of the internal components, comes with transparent colored plastic for the beam weapons or for the visor, and it comes with a mini statue of the pilot.

They're not remotely similar, apart from both being robots and both being the same size. In comparison the wraithknight is a clumsy caveman's club next to beautiful Damascene blade. For GW to think their kit deserves to be priced remotely in the same range only shows how much they're taking the piss.

Yes, but is it British?

Better question: Is it MADE in Britain?

**pretre**

Can we be done with the giant Gundam quote pyramids and back on topic?

Noted that GW's WD preview today didn't mention Eldar at all.

**pizzaguardian**

pretre wrote:
Can we be done with the giant Gundam quote pyramids and back on topic?

Noted that GW's WD preview today didn't mention Eldar at all.

The way they do that amazes me every motnh.

**DaddyWarcrimes**

I'm just amazed that people will still shell out multiple hundreds of dollars on models without any idea of how they'll work on the tabletop.

**Platuan4th**

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
I'm just amazed that people will still shell out multiple hundreds of dollars on models without any idea of how they'll work on the tabletop.

It's because some of us are more collectors than players. Not everyone buys or builds based on what's good or not.

**MikeFox**

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
I'm just amazed that people will still shell out multiple hundreds of dollars on models without any idea of how they'll work on the tabletop.

Hard to believe I know, but some of us like to paint and model

I run a fluffy list full of cool conversions and great paint jobs with no regard to competitive play. I still getup to 4th at tournaments but I get best painted everytime. So there is that factorGW is playing.

**Brother Weasel**

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
I'm just amazed that people will still shell out multiple hundreds of dollars on models without any idea of how they'll work on the tabletop.

Some people like minis and don't care how they do on the tabletop...

**Garion**

The preorders will be up on may 25th, release on june1st.
Just got confirmation from my LGS (and made my order)
G

**resipsa**

Brother Weasel wrote:
DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
I'm just amazed that people will still shell out multiple hundreds of dollars on models without any idea of how they'll work on the tabletop.

Some people like minis and don't care how they do on the tabletop...

Yep,.pretty much this.

**Ravajaxe**

From WD, a few people here have them already.

euro zone prices :

codex 38 €
Wraithknight 90 €
detachement 95 € (5 DA ; 10 guardians + support weapon ; wave serpent & 1 vyper jetbike)
wraith hunter (flyer) 50 €
wraithguard dual box 40 € ( per 5)
three windriders box 30 €
Dire avengers 26 € (per 5)
eldar farseer 15 €
spirite eldar 15,50 €
illic nightspear 15,50 €
psychic cards 6 €

Some rules titbits :
Wraith knight has a "solar gun" that puts 3 small blasts @ STR 6 / AP2 , together with scatter lasers, having laser lock rule. If they manage a hit, the solar gun can reroll to hit dice.
Aircraft has an "ace" rule given by pilot exarch.

**UltraPrime**

pizzaguardian wrote:
pretre wrote:
Can we be done with the giant Gundam quote pyramids and back on topic?

Noted that GW's WD preview today didn't mention Eldar at all.

The way they do that amazes me every motnh.

What amazes me is that GW have had the same way of doing things for months now, yet people are still amazed at it being the same!

Garion wrote:The preorders will be up on may 25th, release on june1st.
Just got confirmation from my LGS (and made my order)
G

As it is every month.

**Slipstream**

Dire Avengers in particular; 'Repackaged' into 5 figure boxset for 26 Euros. Anybody see what they did there? But the saving grace is that you can make an Exarch!!! Wait a minute! Could you not do that with the previous bigger box set?

**pretre**

Slipstream wrote:
Dire Avengers in particular; 'Repackaged' into 5 figure boxset for 26 Euros. Anybody see what they did there? But the saving grace is that you can make an Exarch!!! Wait a minute! Could you not do that with the previous bigger box set?

Welcome to the conversation for the last 30 pages.

**AllSeeingSkink**

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
I'm just amazed that people will still shell out multiple hundreds of dollars on models without any idea of how they'll work on the tabletop.

I have often bought models that are bad on the tabletop simply because I liked the model. I have, however, never preordered a model. Don't really see the point. Whether you get a model 5 hours after release or 10 hours after release or 2 weeks after release is largely seems largely irrelevant. The only things I tend to preorder are video games which are online and there is a difference between playing them day 1 to day 10.

**resipsa**

murgel wrote:
Mr.Church13 wrote:
Sinful Hero wrote:
Mr.Church13 wrote:
Ahhh, cenimatic psychic powers, no new jet bikes, still crappy troops, a push for no vehicles, and 100$ in books to keep playin' my Iyanden army. Oh well, no thanks GW. We'll meet back here in another ten years or so and you can take another go at it.

Neither book is out yet. It's still a tad early to be forecasting gloom and doom already. Basically nothing has been mentioned about vehicles either.

Maybe some gloom and doom. I wanted new bikes because I don't like the current ones, wanted better vehicles but 6th's basic rules killed that, wanted my guardians and DA to be pretty good troops but since neither kit is being improved I can assume that guardians will get no special weapons and still be limited to one or two super expensive heavy weapons making allies or a shoehorned HQ a must for useful scoring troops, wanted to be able to pick my powers so I can build a list knowing what my options are, nope, gotta spin the wheel of fate when it's already too late to adjust the list because of crappy rolls, and I would love to be able to get into assault with my small elite strike of squad aspect warriors but I have a strong feeling that there will be no possible way for them to ever get there in effective numbers and even if they get lucky and make it I'm pretty sure they will have dulled the weapons enough to make it not matter too much. After all, Eldar player already own enough aspects and troops so why worry about making them appealing.

Well, in a valid game concept this would mean you could field an army with no psyker and be on par with the other armies, in ELDAR it means you need a psyker + good roll desperately or be totally f**** and if you have one you can still be obliterated due to anything not brand new is nerfed so badly it won't even sell on ebay. But because they have been a powerful army in 2nd ed. they need to be nerfed a bit more in every new codex.

I don't know man, the investment into finecast transfer makes me think the models will still be viable. they arent going to drop the whole aspect thing just to devalue the models on the secondary market. They get their $$ on the initial sales.

**Slipstream**

Thanks pretre!

**Nvs**

Stupid question, but how do spells work in 6th? I was under the impression you would roll for randoms, but if you didn't like them you could choose from a list in the book? Eldar don't have this mechanic? They can only choose from the cards randomly?

With DE being so bad, DA missing the mark, and Thousand Sons being awful, the Eldar are my last shot at 6th edition.