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 Platuan4th wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Eskrigian Guard wrote:
Welp, my FLGS just told me they will get one of each new kit.
One.
Each.

This will be the third release in a row that I've heard this. Is GW really pushing people to buy from them and their stores and not the FLGS for the initial "new hotness" sales? Seems lame. 3 straight releases would be an on-purpose pattern. I'm not listening to the excuse of "Welp, we didn't know that Eldar/Tau/Chaos/Fliers would be so popular! Oh well, if your FLGS doesn't have it, we do!"

Lame.

If gamers were more mature in their buying (and make no mistake, I am guilty of this myself on occasion) rather than "NO! Must have NOW! Gimme gimme gimme!!" then it would be much less effective, but alas, as is in evidence in this thread, many are still like this. Worse, many seem to be aware of the manipulation, and don't care.

With that attitude, be glad you're not a toy collector where you don't just have to contend with sell outs on pre-orders, you have to deal with post-release sell outs due to scalpers(which in turn means pre-orders are the only way to guarantee you get what you want.

I understand the behaviour if someone really wants something that is a limited edition. But what we're mainly talking about here is buying at full price direct just to avoid waiting, in all likelihood, a week or two and getting the same thing, and most likely cheaper too.

Gwyidion wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
I have a funny feeling that the WK is going to have an AV value, I mean the chaos demon engines got AV's and those things are clearly MC's IMO.

Kirby has confirmed that in the WD BatRep, the WK is referred to as having Wounds. It is an MC. (Ok, or a Frakking Huge single-model unit)

OK thats one answer which I suspected anyway, now as to whether they nerfed the WL in place of the WK? I am guessing yes in order to sell new kits.

 Hulksmash wrote:
@Kronk

What was the thrid? Tau were short but what was the other one other than the upcoming Eldar?

I was thinking Daemons, but now I believe I'm mistaken. The Flier book would be the third. That's when I first started taking notice of these "shortages". The flier book might have been legit issues, but Tau and Eldar being under supplied because they underestimated demand? I don't think so.

 Hulksmash wrote:

I get the feeling GW wasn't really prepared for such a rapid pace after so many decades of glacial releases.

It could be Hulk. But even if that's the case, when Tau was first released, the GW stores had plenty of stock and the FLGS's were screwed on initial release deliveries. I recall the conversations from Mike (here) and others (via other forums) at the time.

I don't want to be a GW basher. I enjoy the game, rules, and setting, but after Tau and the flier book, I made a point to look for similar issues on the next release.

It's still early, so I guess we'll see how June goes I guess?

Awesome, the WK is a MC so that means it'll be decent rules wise (compared to walkers anyway). I was really concerned it would be a terrible vehicle.

 kronk wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
@Kronk

What was the thrid? Tau were short but what was the other one other than the upcoming Eldar?

I was thinking Daemons, but now I believe I'm mistaken. The Flier book would be the third. That's when I first started taking notice of these "shortages". The flier book might have been legit issues, but Tau and Eldar being under supplied because they underestimated demand? I don't think so.

Still doesn't get them off the hook by my rights. The ethical thing to do would be to advertise and have preorders up with enough time to meet demand so they don't undercut independent retailers. But again that would require ethical thinking and maturity from GW.

 azreal13 wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Eskrigian Guard wrote:
Welp, my FLGS just told me they will get one of each new kit.
One.
Each.

This will be the third release in a row that I've heard this. Is GW really pushing people to buy from them and their stores and not the FLGS for the initial "new hotness" sales? Seems lame. 3 straight releases would be an on-purpose pattern. I'm not listening to the excuse of "Welp, we didn't know that Eldar/Tau/Chaos/Fliers would be so popular! Oh well, if your FLGS doesn't have it, we do!"

Lame.

If gamers were more mature in their buying (and make no mistake, I am guilty of this myself on occasion) rather than "NO! Must have NOW! Gimme gimme gimme!!" then it would be much less effective, but alas, as is in evidence in this thread, many are still like this. Worse, many seem to be aware of the manipulation, and don't care.

With that attitude, be glad you're not a toy collector where you don't just have to contend with sell outs on pre-orders, you have to deal with post-release sell outs due to scalpers(which in turn means pre-orders are the only way to guarantee you get what you want.

I understand the behaviour if someone really wants something that is a limited edition. But what we're mainly talking about here is buying at full price direct just to avoid waiting, in all likelihood, a week or two and getting the same thing, and most likely cheaper too.

I meant retail edition figures. You should've seen the stink over on Seibertron about the Vehicons last year and them being 1 per case. Shortpacks cause much wailing and gnashing of teeth, especially when they're the faceless masses/troop builder figures.

 Kirasu wrote:
Awesome, the WK is a MC so that means it'll be decent rules wise (compared to walkers anyway). I was really concerned it would be a terrible vehicle.

IDK though, considering the riptide is idiotically resilient that thing might be a nightmare to an already distraught meta. That or it will be hilarious if the RT is more resilient and we get to watch David kill Goliath on the table over and over

 whitedragon wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
Random psychic powers are going to radically change the way Eldar play. how many eldar units are costed the way they are because they can be easily fortuned or guided?

If Conceal and Guide are the Primaris powers, I don't think it will be much of an issue to be honest. Fortune is a nice power and you can make some stuff up around that, but there are other things out there. Having more than 6" range on Guide is much more important (assuming Eldrad still gets to cast a power twice), and made the Divination table a very inviting choice for me many times the last few times I've played my Footdar.

Now if only Doom was a Primaris...

 kronk wrote:

 Eskrigian Guard wrote:
Welp, my FLGS just told me they will get one of each new kit.
One.
Each.

This will be the third release in a row that I've heard this. Is GW really pushing people to buy from them and their stores and not the FLGS for the initial "new hotness" sales? Seems lame. 3 straight releases would be an on-purpose pattern. I'm not listening to the excuse of "Welp, we didn't know that Eldar/Tau/Chaos/Fliers would be so popular! Oh well, if your FLGS doesn't have it, we do!"

Lame.

Bear in mind a lot of FLGS were supposedly telling their customers that "They would only get one each of the new High Elves".

I know of at least one shop near me which claimed that for awhile; but it came out that they're dealing with a third party distributor rather than GW themselves.

 puma713 wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:


I get the feeling GW wasn't really prepared for such a rapid pace after so many decades of glacial releases.

Yeah, a global company like GW certainly doesn't have the time or resources to do market research and supply and demand forecasting. That stuff is just as absurd as this "interweb" that the kids keep going on about.

They're glacially slow to adapt to changing conditions. They've been in the process of creating, stockpiling, and then slowly releasing models for decades. Even 3rd edition (after they changed from Skirmish to Tabletop) didn't see the release pace they have been on since 6th dropped. This will be codex number 5 since what, November? (honestly not sure, it might have been October). And they've released 3 Fantasy books in that time too.

GW is only big in the gaming scene. They aren't a giant or titan of industry in regards to output. Initial sales are always enourmous amounts of product.

I can't say why they are continuing the pacing that they are knowing they won't be able to fill product orders for new items. My only guess is that they are trying to get as much stuff protected before the judgement comes down as they can.

Oh, and I don't count the Death from the Skies book personally. That wasn't a pre-order item or a shortage that prevented going to stores. That was a direct item and an obvious cash grab that they then later distributed. That one there is no excuse for. The new plastic kits I can understand.

My local store is getting plenty of Eldar stuff. I really don't know what to say, other than the store has been dealing with GW since 2000. Heck, we even got tau stuff early compared to other stores in our area, so i guess there must be a priority order.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Eskrigian Guard wrote:
Welp, my FLGS just told me they will get one of each new kit.
One.
Each.

This will be the third release in a row that I've heard this. Is GW really pushing people to buy from them and their stores and not the FLGS for the initial "new hotness" sales? Seems lame. 3 straight releases would be an on-purpose pattern. I'm not listening to the excuse of "Welp, we didn't know that Eldar/Tau/Chaos/Fliers would be so popular! Oh well, if your FLGS doesn't have it, we do!"

Lame.

Bear in mind a lot of FLGS were supposedly telling their customers that "They would only get one each of the new High Elves".

I know of at least one shop near me which claimed that for awhile; but it came out that they're dealing with a third party distributor rather than GW themselves.

So one shop near you is now a lot of shops? Besides that still doesn't make GW right does it?

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Awesome, the WK is a MC so that means it'll be decent rules wise (compared to walkers anyway). I was really concerned it would be a terrible vehicle.

IDK though, considering the riptide is idiotically resilient that thing might be a nightmare to an already distraught meta. That or it will be hilarious if the RT is more resilient and we get to watch David kill Goliath on the table over and over

Eh, I'm more concerned with my money not being totally wasted which it would be if it were a vehicle that is 9" tall. I dropped out of tournaments for GW games after a year of 8th ed WFB and then 6th ed 40k, so that isn't a huge concern of mine. It'll probably be like T8 with 6 wounds and a 3+ save + titan holo fields for a cover save. 2+ would be a bit weird for Eldar given they've never developed the technology over tens of thousands of years that allows them to make resilient armor (or search lights).

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Eskrigian Guard wrote:
Welp, my FLGS just told me they will get one of each new kit.
One.
Each.

This will be the third release in a row that I've heard this. Is GW really pushing people to buy from them and their stores and not the FLGS for the initial "new hotness" sales? Seems lame. 3 straight releases would be an on-purpose pattern. I'm not listening to the excuse of "Welp, we didn't know that Eldar/Tau/Chaos/Fliers would be so popular! Oh well, if your FLGS doesn't have it, we do!"

Lame.

Bear in mind a lot of FLGS were supposedly telling their customers that "They would only get one each of the new High Elves".

I know of at least one shop near me which claimed that for awhile; but it came out that they're dealing with a third party distributor rather than GW themselves.

So one shop near you is now a lot of shops? Besides that still doesn't make GW right does it?

Where did I say my anecdotal evidence should be taken as "the incontrovertible fact of the matter"?

In regards to "that still doesn't make GW right does it?"--what are you even talking about?
You know what a "third party distributor" is right?

 Hulksmash wrote:


I can't say why they are continuing the pacing that they are knowing they won't be able to fill product orders for new items. My only guess is that they are trying to get as much stuff protected before the judgement comes down as they can.

This is interesting, it makes me wonder if all the new creation and ignoring of old units is due to the evolution of the game because of the suit. In a few years we may get an over haul of many core unit types.


Personally I think it's a weak profit margin and dropping sales. They need to sell bigger newer kits that give them an initial bump as well as new books. What does every gamer need new and old? Books, enter the first of supplement city. Seriously 50 for the main book and 50 for a supplement? This scares me when I think of codex marines, 50 for the main book and 50 per supplement for white scars and sallies? Or god knows maybe a 100 dollar 150 pg book

As for large kits, they are more cost effective, it's cheaper now to have a digital sculpt rendered of one large model as the scale has no baring on the cost. The WK is basically one blown up wraithguard sculpt with a different chest and some different weapons, oh wait, the weapons were already rendered from the wraithlord just look at the sword.

It's smart on their part, but the company seriously needs to start growing the gaming community again.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:


I can't say why they are continuing the pacing that they are knowing they won't be able to fill product orders for new items. My only guess is that they are trying to get as much stuff protected before the judgement comes down as they can.

This is interesting, it makes me wonder if all the new creation and ignoring of old units is due to the evolution of the game because of the suit. In a few years we may get an over haul of many core unit types.

I'm sort of new to wargaming. What suit are you referring to?

 undertow wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:


I can't say why they are continuing the pacing that they are knowing they won't be able to fill product orders for new items. My only guess is that they are trying to get as much stuff protected before the judgement comes down as they can.

This is interesting, it makes me wonder if all the new creation and ignoring of old units is due to the evolution of the game because of the suit. In a few years we may get an over haul of many core unit types.

I'm sort of new to wargaming. What suit are you referring to?

The Games Workshop/Chapterhouse case.

There's a huge thread on it in Dakka Discussions.

 Kirasu wrote:
Awesome, the WK is a MC so that means it'll be decent rules wise (compared to walkers anyway). I was really concerned it would be a terrible vehicle.

Ugh, I was actually liking the idea of it being a vehicle. Given the armament the WK is packing, that thing is not looking good to have to face on top of the T6/T8 block of Wraithness that is already commonplace. At least as a vehicle with armour value, I had a chance of taking it out.

Of course, this is Phil Kelly, he who dubbed the Forge Fiend and Maulerfiend vehicles when they are clearly modeled as MC, so it really doesn't have to make any sense.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Eskrigian Guard wrote:
Welp, my FLGS just told me they will get one of each new kit.
One.
Each.

This will be the third release in a row that I've heard this. Is GW really pushing people to buy from them and their stores and not the FLGS for the initial "new hotness" sales? Seems lame. 3 straight releases would be an on-purpose pattern. I'm not listening to the excuse of "Welp, we didn't know that Eldar/Tau/Chaos/Fliers would be so popular! Oh well, if your FLGS doesn't have it, we do!"

Lame.

Bear in mind a lot of FLGS were supposedly telling their customers that "They would only get one each of the new High Elves".

I know of at least one shop near me which claimed that for awhile; but it came out that they're dealing with a third party distributor rather than GW themselves.

So one shop near you is now a lot of shops? Besides that still doesn't make GW right does it?

Where did I say my anecdotal evidence should be taken as "the incontrovertible fact of the matter"?

In regards to "that still doesn't make GW right does it?"--what are you even talking about?
You know what a "third party distributor" is right?

So you were defending the shady business practice with anecdotal conjecture? OK, sorry I had forgot who said it for a minute

And

It has to do with the conversation you joined but apparently didn't read fully. I meant the old adage two wrongs don't make a right. Even if some venders were making false claims about the HE release, it's still ridiculous for GW to shortchange them and others on the MUCH more important 40k releases (more important sales wise).

 Hulksmash wrote:


I can't say why they are continuing the pacing that they are knowing they won't be able to fill product orders for new items. My only guess is that they are trying to get as much stuff protected before the judgement comes down as they can.

I hope your theory is more right than mine, for obvious reasons Hulk.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Eskrigian Guard wrote:
Welp, my FLGS just told me they will get one of each new kit.
One.
Each.

This will be the third release in a row that I've heard this. Is GW really pushing people to buy from them and their stores and not the FLGS for the initial "new hotness" sales? Seems lame. 3 straight releases would be an on-purpose pattern. I'm not listening to the excuse of "Welp, we didn't know that Eldar/Tau/Chaos/Fliers would be so popular! Oh well, if your FLGS doesn't have it, we do!"

Lame.

Bear in mind a lot of FLGS were supposedly telling their customers that "They would only get one each of the new High Elves".

I know of at least one shop near me which claimed that for awhile; but it came out that they're dealing with a third party distributor rather than GW themselves.

So one shop near you is now a lot of shops? Besides that still doesn't make GW right does it?

Where did I say my anecdotal evidence should be taken as "the incontrovertible fact of the matter"?

In regards to "that still doesn't make GW right does it?"--what are you even talking about?
You know what a "third party distributor" is right?

So you were defending the shady business practice with anecdotal conjecture? OK, sorry I had forgot who said it for a minute

No, I was actually trying to point out something which the average person might not think of.

And

It has to do with the conversation you joined but apparently didn't read fully. I meant the old adage two wrongs don't make a right. Even if some venders were making false claims about the HE release, it's still ridiculous for GW to shortchange them on the MUCH more important 40k releases (more important sales wise).

Again:
I think you missed the point I was making. Not every FLGS buys directly from GW. There are many FLGS which use independent distributors; who likely are the ones either getting shortchanged by GW or not managing their customers properly.

"GW is evil!" isn't necessarily the only answer here, Red.

Bear in mind:
This isn't me trying to defend GW or anything. I only brought the anecdotal evidence I did into it because it is not something the average player/customer would think to ask. Not every shop deals directly with GW; and IMO it's not necessarily GW's fault if a third party screws up in regards to orders to an independent who does not deal directly with GW.

Maybe it's because I have other things going on in my life, but I can wait a week for my FLGS to get my stuff. New Releases is about all I buy from him, but I figure a big order now and then should cover my ability to play there.

I've also found my local stores far more likely to give me a one time discount on large orders a month or so after stuff is released. It's a nice little boost to their sales and I'm not competing with the people with no patience.

I'm scared of the price tag of ordering at least 2 of the WK, wraithguard, flyer and then 1 of each of the new blisters + codex :(

 Kirasu wrote:
I'm scared of the price tag of ordering at least 2 of the WK, wraithguard, flyer and then 1 of each of the new blisters + codex :(

£200+ sorry, should I have said?

Love the new eldar stuff but I will not be starting an eldar army after all. Their prices are getting beyond reason for me at this point. I have my orks but I can put two and two together. The pricing going out of control has me on the edge of keeping my orks or selling them and turning to another game. Really sad since I love 40k and fantasy. I want to make high elves and eldar and even some tau but its just two crazy on the prices.

 Capamaru wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:
Ahhh, cenimatic psychic powers, no new jet bikes, still crappy troops, a push for no vehicles, and 100$ in books to keep playin' my Iyanden army. Oh well, no thanks GW. We'll meet back here in another ten years or so and you can take another go at it.

That's a pessimistic view of the new codex. Kelly is not the best codex writer. We'll see.

Really hope you are wrong on the Kelly part cause if this eldar codex sucks and because 6th will be here a long time I might even sell my Eldar and linger to GK and Chaos.

If the new Eldar suck, I'll keep them shelved and I'll continue playing Necrons or Necrons with GK allies.

I'm just looking for the rules. The Wraithguard are getting the "Necron Immortal" treatment - in that they got a new gun you can't convert with your older models "buy more now!".

Not excited about super barbie at $115, despite the rules - because you know GW is going to give it awesome rules, make their money back, and errata it to death and make it negligible - I've just seen this too many times. With as tall as it is, they'll probably be a rule it can catch fliers out of mid-air!

$50 suppliment? GW - did you really look in the mirror and say this is a great idea? Isn't that what White Dwarf is for? This is just setting folks up for the Great Space Marine debacle - you can have your individual cults/chapters at $50 piece after you buy the Original Codex.

The upgraded sniper character sounds cool if it is not competing for other spots. I'm full at Elites (as I'm sure all of the Dragons/Harlies/Scorpions will be here) and Heavy (as I run wraithlords and war walkers). The only slot I have open really is FA - and they flier should fit in nicely there unless its a Wonder Woman version.

I've heard Dire Avengers may be boosted, which is fine as I have 2 squads there. Jetbikes for troops as well and I will not buy more wraithguard unless the warlock/10 squad still counts as troops. We shall see...

Overall, from what I've read and am hearing I'm not impressed but it's just one man's opinion and maybe I'll be surprised. Sorry to rant.

 wowsmash wrote:
Love the new eldar stuff but I will not be starting an eldar army after all. Their prices are getting beyond reason for me at this point. I have my orks but I can put two and two together. The pricing going out of control has me on the edge of keeping my orks or selling them and turning to another game. Really sad since I love 40k and fantasy. I want to make high elves and eldar and even some tau but its just two crazy on the prices.

Yeah, these prices aren't just getting ridiculous. They are starting to feel like the GW version of Abercrombie & Fitch. Instead of not making larger sizes because they don't want their clothing seen on fat people, GW seems to be making items more expensive just because they don't want average wage-earners participating in their hobby.

I love the 40k and Fantasy universes, and I've been a hard-core collector of their books, as well as someone who buys a stupid amount of 'hobby-related' stuff (Gamer's editions, tape measures, store opening merchandise, etc.). The prices just feel like GW is trying to position themselves as a luxury brand simply by charging a luxury price, rather than by producing a superlative quality product that necessitates a high price. It makes me feel like GW doesn't want me as a fan any longer. Me or the skint college kids, or the 9 year olds, or any middle class/blue collar fans.

I feel like they might as well stop selling their product entirely, and start up a GW club, with a $10,000 entrance fee and free armies.

Again, this isn't an "I can't afford the Wraithknight" moaning session. I can afford one. Hell, I could probably buy three if they weren't competing for slots with Wraithlords. It's a lament that GW seems to be developing and marketing everything exclusively towards those consumers who are entirely price-insensitive, and not those of us who have a limited amount of recreational dollars and make decisions on what to spend them on.

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
1) Gundams are not WYSYG . Yes cheaper but how much conversion parts of other models do you have to add to get them to be WYSYG to a actual model. A lot of tournament require WYSYG. Also one could claim a gundam is modeling for advantage since unless it is the same size it could hide easier behind terrain.

Most tournaments (at least the larger ones) require WYSIWYG... but they're also generally ok with alternate models so long as they are equipped appropriately, aren't too confusing for opponents, and are a similar size. There are plenty of giant robot kits out there that would just need weapons added to be suitable for tournament play.

Once you add "fluff" to mechanics things get out of whack.

Welcome to 40K...

4) Orks have been using the same buggies / wartrack since gorka morka, So stop with the tears of the Jetbikes lol =P

You know that Gorkamorka came several years after the Jetbike, right...?