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 whigwam wrote:

JB_Man wrote:Where are you getting the 2++? Baron's Shadowfield? Challenge that away. Oh, what happened to your 3+ rerollable? It was penetrated by AP2, like any scary HtH unit will probably have, unless you want to get Eldrad killed. Hit and Run all you want, you will lose every combat.

And why would Baron accept the challenge? Spiritseer/Maugan Ra/Eldrad will handle that.

This. My poor little spiritseer takes all the challenges, dying a horrible death for the betterment of his people. I don't run Baron, but it's a solid idea. Usually I pick up a corsair prince to deep strike those wraithguard to eliminate the range issue and get them closer to where I need them to be.

JB_Man wrote:You want Eldrad or Maugan Ra to accept a challenge from a terminator sergeant and eat a S8 Powerfist? I sure as hell wouldn't.

Considering Ra is an EW who will most likely kill the Pfist before it swings..? Yeah, I'll accept.

Or, like Gavin said, use the throw-away Spiritseer.

 whigwam wrote:
Considering Ra is an EW who will most likely kill the Pfist before it swings..? Yeah, I'll accept.

We're just going to have to disagree about the outcome, here. One thing that cannot be argued is that you've likely got close to half of your army tied up in one relatively small squad. I'm not saying it's a bad squad, it's just not the secret game-winner that no one is clever enough to run. There's a reason you don't see it that often.

Not in the current book, no. Currently the unit just needs to be 10 strong to be troops which is what I was refering too.

Actually, you needed to take 10 and then upgrade the warlock to a spiritseer for +6pts.

Maybe this is a longshot, but I'm thinking this:

The current release news shows new models for Iyanden and a supplement book. New Eldar flyer aspect which would make sense for Outcasts...and a new Outcast HQ. This means Alaitoc are pretty much 'covered' in the new Codex as well since their variation isn't as drastic.

However we have no new models for two distinctive craftworlds. Could it be that they won't release all Craftworlds but at least Swordwind and Wind Riders in seperate books or in the same?

Just a thought, it seems to fit with what all we know currently.

JB_Man wrote:We're just going to have to disagree about the outcome, here. One thing that cannot be argued is that you've likely got close to half of your army tied up in one relatively small squad. I'm not saying it's a bad squad, it's just not the secret game-winner that no one is clever enough to run. There's a reason you don't see it that often.

Taking half of an army's worth of points never stopped people from running a Draigowing. I've given several reasons why I think the unit's not often seen... But yeah, we should drop this as we're pretty far OT.

Back on-T, I'm really in disbelief that we're getting an Iyanden supplement while there's no sign of anything expanding CSM. I love Iyanden's fluff, the Wraith concept, etc. but I just can't believe there would be more demand for this than a supplement expanding Traitor Legions, Renegades, etc. I'm happy for Eldar, but for me, this really underlines what a missed opportunity the CSM update was.

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 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
Maybe this is a longshot, but I'm thinking this:

The current release news shows new models for Iyanden and a supplement book. New Eldar flyer aspect which would make sense for Outcasts...and a new Outcast HQ. This means Alaitoc are pretty much 'covered' in the new Codex as well since their variation isn't as drastic.

However we have no new models for two distinctive craftworlds. Could it be that they won't release all Craftworlds but at least Swordwind and Wind Riders in seperate books or in the same?

Just a thought, it seems to fit with what all we know currently.

You forgot Ulthwe buddy!

We're just going to have to disagree about the outcome, here. One thing that cannot be argued is that you've likely got close to half of your army tied up in one relatively small squad. I'm not saying it's a bad squad, it's just not the secret game-winner that no one is clever enough to run. There's a reason you don't see it that often.

Disagree all you want...I've run a Wraithguard wall with success as well. I didn't lose many games vs. some of the toughest 5th edition lists during that time. Now? With putting the Baron in there it eliminates their weakest trait they once had which was getting stuck in combats that would bog them down or possibly eliminate them. You have 4 characters to choose from for challenges. Sorry, but name me an elite assault unit that can match that? Durable and easy to absorb the initial charge...hit and run out...then shoot you with wraithcannons in the face..then charge you if anything is left.

 whigwam wrote:

JB_Man wrote:You want Eldrad or Maugan Ra to accept a challenge from a terminator sergeant and eat a S8 Powerfist? I sure as hell wouldn't.

Considering Ra is an EW who will most likely kill the Pfist before it swings..? Yeah, I'll accept.

Also, how is that terminator sergeant having a powerfist?

Stupid double post...

Ugh, i hate going so off topic, but as a longtime runner of wraithguard:

A dedicated hand to hand unit will destroy that squad

Until Tau, this was basically the only thing that would 100% destroy a wraithguard squad, and that is the incredible power of wraithguard

They provide board control like no other unit in the codex. Your opponent must use his killiest h2h unit against your wraithguard. He has to - because they're troops, they're basically impervious to most shooting, and they suck in CC.

That means you know where his biggest baddest unit is going as soon as you put a WG unit on the table.

That spells victory - especially for eldar, who can concentrate fire like no one else.

Chaos and Tau really hit this strategy, so we'll see how the new codex deals with that.

 Crimson wrote:

 whigwam wrote:

JB_Man wrote:You want Eldrad or Maugan Ra to accept a challenge from a terminator sergeant and eat a S8 Powerfist? I sure as hell wouldn't.

Considering Ra is an EW who will most likely kill the Pfist before it swings..? Yeah, I'll accept.

Also, how is that terminator sergeant having a powerfist?

Thammer/SS or nemesis daemonhammer setup though, is quite possible (and the only termie squad you want to hammer into that deathstar is Thammer/SS or Paladin anyway.

A dedicated hand to hand unit with a similar points cost will destroy that squad

I fixed that for you...LOL..and even then it's isn't guaranteed.

JB_Man wrote:

 whigwam wrote:

JB_Man wrote:Where are you getting the 2++? Baron's Shadowfield? Challenge that away. Oh, what happened to your 3+ rerollable? It was penetrated by AP2, like any scary HtH unit will probably have, unless you want to get Eldrad killed. Hit and Run all you want, you will lose every combat.

And why would Baron accept the challenge? Spiritseer/Maugan Ra/Eldrad will handle that.

You want Eldrad or Maugan Ra to accept a challenge from a terminator sergeant and eat a S8 Powerfist? I sure as hell wouldn't.

Both Eldar characters have a higher initiative than a Terminator and will eventually kill him first. Eldrad is hard to remove with a 3+ rerollable inv. save and PLs are eternal warriors.

Double post for some bizzare reason.

I wonder what a WG deathstar used to do against any number of helldrakes. No matter where you place the characters you will receive a lot of ap3 hits.

Are you guys speculating over deathstars before the rules are even out? lol

For all we know Eldrad has been nerfed into the ground and is no longer viable.

 shamikebab wrote:
I'm not a fan of Seer councils on jetbikes really, it feels very unfluffy. So I would like to see them toned down so a foot council is more viable.

Oh please do that mr PK! I love the look and feel of footseers. Jetseers? Meh.

 BlueDagger wrote:
Are you guys speculating over deathstars before the rules are even out? lol

For all we know Eldrad has been nerfed into the ground and is no longer viable.

Eldrad got nerfed? The best psyker in the universe?

 JOHIRA wrote:

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 Starfarer wrote:
The continued sales tell them what they do is not only tolerated, but encouraged.

Seriously, while I understand people being annoyed by the increases, you really can't say times are hard and this is an attack on your survival. You still have electricity, food, living space, and essentials right? Remember, Its toy soldiers in a game designed and produced by a company that intends to sell toy soldiers. If you can't come to grips with that, you should really step back from the table, breathe in, and find a more fulfilling, less emotionally charging experience for you.

These are first world problems, dawg.

Ok, see, nobody's saying that this is a life or death problem, but just because it's a "first world problem" doesn't make it a non-issue. I see it as a big problem that I may soon be priced out of 40k as it's something I love very much and a hobby that means a lot to me. So no, I won't die if the models get too expensive, but I'd still be losing something important, and not just losing it but pretty much having it taken away by the very company that makes it. Most other hobbies don't have this issue, like I'll never be priced out of reading or feel like publishing companies no longer want my business, so it sucks to get so invested and then have GW keep making it harder and harder to stick around.

Dude, while its an issue, it happens every sodding year, regardless of how much we complain or try to "occupy dakka." While I am still annoyed that my precious 20 man box of awesome guardsmen for 30 became one box of ten for 29, I know nothing will change the situation. If its an eldar rumors thread, its a rumors thread, lets be happy and stop griping that the pimp left his less attractive, older, but faithful women for the younger, nubile, more financially uninhibited ones who have parents that want to spend money to not have to deal with them. Hell, Demi left Bruce willis for Ashton Kutcher. We are Bruce Willis. End of story. We might get secondary droppings from our no longer interested plastic generating English masters, but we are no longer the prize pony.

This is possibly the most absurd thing I've ever seen on Dakka. I am not GW's bitch. You are not GW's bitch. You have a choice in what you buy. The only reason you put up with arbitrary price increases is because you choose to put up with it. Don't try to silence players that are willing to complain (and willing to choose not to buy absurdly priced products) just because you aren't.

With codicies being released about every month now, it's hard to for me to understand how each release can be met with the same level of shock and anger over prices. Nothing new gets said, and GW doesn't care. This isn't a free speech issue, it's about what's actually on-topic, useful and conversation-worthy, and the repetitive, directionless nature of most price complaint postings make them much closer to background noise than conversation, IMO.

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 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
Maybe this is a longshot, but I'm thinking this:

The current release news shows new models for Iyanden and a supplement book. New Eldar flyer aspect which would make sense for Outcasts...and a new Outcast HQ. This means Alaitoc are pretty much 'covered' in the new Codex as well since their variation isn't as drastic.

However we have no new models for two distinctive craftworlds. Could it be that they won't release all Craftworlds but at least Swordwind and Wind Riders in seperate books or in the same?

Just a thought, it seems to fit with what all we know currently.

You forgot Ulthwe buddy!

Hmm, I did. But that would be a fundamentally easy change to make via a Special Character as well. Pay crazy points for a special Farseer(Eldrad be gone in a physical sense, so it'd be somebody else) and Guardians along with their respective vehicles become BS4 or WS4 in the case of Storm Guardians.

Gawd...that is a scary prospect. That character would cost a fortune.

Maybe I am wrong and they would need a mini-Dex. LoL


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 wuestenfux wrote:

 BlueDagger wrote:
Are you guys speculating over deathstars before the rules are even out? lol

For all we know Eldrad has been nerfed into the ground and is no longer viable.

Eldrad got nerfed? The best psyker in the universe?

Wouldn't Eldrad effecitvely need to be a Wraithseer at this point since his soul is trapped in a Blackstone upon last fluff update on him....and the soulstones with part of his power are in the hands of his students?

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
Wouldn't Eldrad effecitvely need to be a Wraithseer at this point since his soul is trapped in a Blackstone upon last fluff update on him....and the soulstones with part of his power are in the hands of his students?

The current state of a character does not always indicate what he appears as in the codex.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 BlueDagger wrote:
Are you guys speculating over deathstars before the rules are even out? lol

For all we know Eldrad has been nerfed into the ground and is no longer viable.

Eldrad got nerfed? The best psyker in the universe?

Yeah, cause GW are real sticklers for fluff=rules!

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:

Wouldn't Eldrad effecitvely need to be a Wraithseer at this point since his soul is trapped in a Blackstone upon last fluff update on him....and the soulstones with part of his power are in the hands of his students?

They wouldn't do it that way. If anything it would be similar to how they dealt with Tycho. He had 2 forms being in the DC and as a Captain.

 Mkvenner wrote:

They wouldn't do it that way. If anything it would be similar to how they dealt with Tycho. He had 2 forms being in the DC and as a Captain.

And Tycho's even been dead since forever. He died in literally his first appearance.

I love the look of those fighters. They actually look like working aircraft, while still being distinctly unlike the aircraft we have today.

Given other recent army updates, do you think Forgeworld will make FAQ adjustments to any of their units or the Corsairs?

I was holding out hope against hope that somehow they updated the jetbikes but we just hadn't seen pics... WD now confirmed as old jetbikes...MT is sad.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
I was holding out hope against hope that somehow they updated the jetbikes but we just hadn't seen pics... WD now confirmed as old jetbikes...MT is sad.

Yeah, that one was a big miss. Especially with all of the opportunities for Jetseers or a 'farseer conversion kit'.

Guess I'll still try to pick up DE bikes. :(