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Picture of the limited edition:

In other words: For 30€ / 50$ you basically get a green cardboard jacket.
(PS: Pics were accidently send out early in France. And yes, pic is hosted on GW website )

that's exatcly what we need, not decent rules but a dust jacket for our codex to not collect dust on the shelf.

 Kirasu wrote:

 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
I was really hoping for something elder that was 2+ armour, why the heck can't the wraithnight have this.... esp for 240pts, if the friggin riptide has it.... come on.. that is what makes the Wraithlord weak in the first place.... arg..... oh well

Eldar tend to have 3+ saves coupled with invuls or cover saves via holofields or some such. A 2+ save has never been a part of the Eldar army (just on phoenix lords for some reason).

Striking Scorpions and Dark Reapers had a 3+ save back when Space Marines had a 4+ save. So who is having a good save more a part of?

 pizzaguardian wrote:
that's exatcly what we need, not decent rules but a dust jacket for our codex to not collect dust on the shelf.

Good call!
"It even comes with a dust jacket! You don't want to miss it when you have read the rules!"

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
I was really hoping for something elder that was 2+ armour, why the heck can't the wraithnight have this.... esp for 240pts, if the friggin riptide has it.... come on.. that is what makes the Wraithlord weak in the first place.... arg..... oh well

Eldar tend to have 3+ saves coupled with invuls or cover saves via holofields or some such. A 2+ save has never been a part of the Eldar army (just on phoenix lords for some reason).

Striking Scorpions and Dark Reapers had a 3+ save back when Space Marines had a 4+ save. So who is having a good save more a part of?

No idea what you're even referencing. Marines have had 3+ saves since 2nd edition which was the start of more modern style of 40k. Eldar have NEVER been about having the top armor saves but having ways to avoid being damaged in the first place.

Some one on my local clubs FB page has just brought up a rather scarey point.

He has just looked into the new Codex.

Dire avengers are exactly the same as they where before model wise. But now the box is different, and they come in boxes of 5 for £20.50.

Where as if you go to you local hobby store who still have some older boxes on the shelf. you get 10 models for £23.

1) That's White Dwarf, not Codex.
2) Yes, we know. There's pages of talk about just that.
...
3) Yeah, I bought a box of 10 from my FLGS the day after finding out, just in case I need more than my current 15.

Wow. That limited edition looks like total meh...

cerbrus2 wrote:
Some one on my local clubs FB page has just brought up a rather scarey point.

He has just looked into the new Codex.

Dire avengers are exactly the same as they where before model wise. But now the box is different, and they come in boxes of 5 for £20.50.

Where as if you go to you local hobby store who still have some older boxes on the shelf. you get 10 models for £23.

There is already around 20 pages of discussion about taht already

 Kirasu wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:

Striking Scorpions and Dark Reapers had a 3+ save back when Space Marines had a 4+ save. So who is having a good save more a part of?

No idea what you're even referencing. Marines have had 3+ saves since 2nd edition which was the start of more modern style of 40k.

I gave the indicative time frame. Yes, it predates 2nd edition.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
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I gave the indicative time frame. Yes, it predates 2nd edition.

But than you should acknowledge that pre-2nd Edition Space Marines didn't even remotely resemble the Space Marines we "know" today. They may have had inferior stats because, by their background they were little better than today's IG pentinents: ruffians and criminals rounded up to fight in Space-Wars.

Any word yet on changes to Runes of Warding?

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:

Striking Scorpions and Dark Reapers had a 3+ save back when Space Marines had a 4+ save. So who is having a good save more a part of?

No idea what you're even referencing. Marines have had 3+ saves since 2nd edition which was the start of more modern style of 40k.

I gave the indicative time frame. Yes, it predates 2nd edition.

1st edition isn't even remotely relevant considering it was a completely different game. Also the last 20 years > brief period of a game that bares little resembles to current fluff.

 pizzaguardian wrote:

cerbrus2 wrote:
Some one on my local clubs FB page has just brought up a rather scarey point.

He has just looked into the new Codex.

Dire avengers are exactly the same as they where before model wise. But now the box is different, and they come in boxes of 5 for £20.50.

Where as if you go to you local hobby store who still have some older boxes on the shelf. you get 10 models for £23.

There is already around 20 pages of discussion about taht already

And how many Eldar players have shortage of DA today? Anyway, the sad thing is this still make DA cheaper than any other aspect.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Any word yet on changes to Runes of Warding?

Check the first post before asking random questions like this and no.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Any word yet on changes to Runes of Warding?

No word on if the range changed, but reportedly changing from an extra D6 to a +2 to the Deny the Witch Roll.

The wraithknight is really 3+ and has to forgo a second gun to get a 5+ invul? And the main guns are only 24" range? I rarely play competitively but even for fun games, I couldn't justify spending £70 quid on something that is 240+ points that is going to be relatively easy to bring down. 6 wounds is good but there are too many armies that could smash a wraithknight to make it a worthwhile investment both economically and points wise if this info is true. 3 of them would be hard to deal with, especially with fortune and the wraithseer's fnp but my wallet says no to that.

 ColdSadHungry wrote:
The wraithknight is really 3+ and has to forgo a second gun to get a 5+ invul? And the main guns are only 24" range? I rarely play competitively but even for fun games, I couldn't justify spending £70 quid on something that is 240+ points that is going to be relatively easy to bring down. 6 wounds is good but there are too many armies that could smash a wraithknight to make it a worthwhile investment both economically and points wise if this info is true. 3 of them would be hard to deal with, especially with fortune and the wraithseer's fnp but my wallet says no to that.

Consider the T8 in there as well when you're crunching those numbers. The Wraithknight is immune to S4 or less, and it may come with a 5++ standard as other rumours have mentioned it being able to have a 3++. We'll know exactly how awesome it is or isn't when the codex comes out. Until then it's a little to early to claim it's worth taking, not worth taking or broken.

If it really is 6 T8 wounds a 3+ is fine. Especially since in 6th you get a cover save by touching cover. And as a monstrous creature he ignore dangerous terrain so if he has a jump pack he's basically always going to be 3+/5++. 240 is about right. Probably a little more if you do the St6 AP2 blast weapons.

 Absolutionis wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Eldar tend to have 3+ saves coupled with invuls or cover saves via holofields or some such. A 2+ save has never been a part of the Eldar army (just on phoenix lords for some reason).

Makes sense, actually.

Eldar have 4+ saves on half their aspects (Scorpions, Reapers, Spears, Spiders) and 3+ saves on the other half (Banshees, Avengers, Dragons, Hawks).
Exarchs and Autarchs all have 3+ saves because they have an improved/ancient Aspect armor.
Phoenix Lords have super-Exarch armor, the epitome of their class, and thus have a 2+ save.

But I agree that Eldar protection usually tends to rely on gimmicks aside from armor such as Veil of Tears, Flickerfields, Energy Fields, Fortune, etc.

Scorpions Reapers spiders have 3up all the other aspects have 4up, jet bikes 3up..... I just think with all the stuff like helldrakes ap3 and Tau markerlights the cover won't mean dick. I just thought for something so monstrous it should have a 2 up since wraithlords already have a T8 and 3up so this guy won't be any different except for more wounds, more points and more weapons... yippee

OMG noo. Just saw the new pics. My poor poor bank account! Darn GW.

The heck with it I don't care if I have to eat noodles all month im getting a couple of the flyers and the wraithknight

 pretre wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Any word yet on changes to Runes of Warding?

Check the first post before asking random questions like this and no.

When a post has 90 something pages I don't think everyone is going to read all of them prior to posting... sorry but that is a little redique

 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Any word yet on changes to Runes of Warding?

Check the first post before asking random questions like this and no.

When a post has 90 something pages I don't think everyone is going to read all of them prior to posting... sorry but that is a little redique

Let me go ahead and quote myself to make this clear.

Check the first post

I didn't say 'read the whole 99 pages'. I said 'Check the first post'. Not asking too much.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:

Striking Scorpions and Dark Reapers had a 3+ save back when Space Marines had a 4+ save. So who is having a good save more a part of?

No idea what you're even referencing. Marines have had 3+ saves since 2nd edition which was the start of more modern style of 40k.

I gave the indicative time frame. Yes, it predates 2nd edition.

Ah I remember the good old days when marine armor was just 4up.... same as a dire avenger...lol

gravitywell wrote:
Well, went out and bought a 10 pack of Dire Avengers before they are all gone...


Any rumors or hints about what is different about the limited edition codex? What has been different about limited edition books in the past?

No offense intended, but it struck me as a little funny that you just went out and bought 10 DA to save money, and then were asking about the limited edition book.

Back to the rumors

With a 3+ save, my DE laugh at it. However I think the toughness 8 and 6 wounds will still make it plenty survivable against other armies. I'm wondering if 2 wraithlords will be better for the points though (and money).

I know I'm going to just buy the codex first. I want to study that thing before making any purchases.

 pretre wrote:

 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Any word yet on changes to Runes of Warding?

Check the first post before asking random questions like this and no.

When a post has 90 something pages I don't think everyone is going to read all of them prior to posting... sorry but that is a little redique

Let me go ahead and quote myself to make this clear.

Check the first post

I didn't say 'read the whole 99 pages'. I said 'Check the first post'. Not asking too much.

Things could have changed since the first post... Retract those claws a bit

 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
Things could have changed since the first post... Retract those claws a bit

If you had read the first post, you'd know this is a Kroothawk thread. Well known for being updated and kept current. For example, it was updated 45 minutes ago.

First Post wrote:This message was edited 37 times. Last update was at 2013/05/23 13:12:36

will the codex be on display starting this weekend? or do they not do that anymore?

I'm pretty sure the WK will be quite survivable. Most people seem to think the enemy is going to be shooting 12 ML shots at it for some reason in one turn. There is going to be plenty of other things to worry about other than a mini-Titan; and this isn't considering the Psychic Power that can restore lost wounds, Fortune, etc, or how easy it is for the WK to get a 5+ cover save.

I bet it will be decent. If it isn't a 2+ armor save, I can quite understand why.

 Red Viper wrote:

gravitywell wrote:
Well, went out and bought a 10 pack of Dire Avengers before they are all gone...


Any rumors or hints about what is different about the limited edition codex? What has been different about limited edition books in the past?

No offense intended, but it struck me as a little funny that you just went out and bought 10 DA to save money, and then were asking about the limited edition book.

Back to the rumors

With a 3+ save, my DE laugh at it. However I think the toughness 8 and 6 wounds will still make it plenty survivable against other armies. I'm wondering if 2 wraithlords will be better for the points though (and money).

I know I'm going to just buy the codex first. I want to study that thing before making any purchases.

I agree I wonder for the points if the Wraithlords will be the smarter point buy....

I have some old ArmourCast Towering Destroyers.. I am going to convert a couple, put them on a flight base and have an instant wraithknight and save myself some money...lol