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 Kroothawk wrote:
Picture of the limited edition:

In other words: For 30€ / 50$ you basically get a green cardboard jacket.
(PS: Pics were accidently send out early in France. And yes, pic is hosted on GW website )

Hmm, they pretty much phoned that one in from the pub. Very lazy limited edition - not even new content just a dust jacket. Probably one of the more expensive pieces of coloured cardboard you can get!

 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Any word yet on changes to Runes of Warding?

Check the first post before asking random questions like this and no.

When a post has 90 something pages I don't think everyone is going to read all of them prior to posting... sorry but that is a little redique

He's suggesting you read the first post, not all 90. The first post has a summary of known information.
If everyone ignored prior discussion and just posted questions, then it'd only negatively contribute to the 90+ pages that nobody reads.

 zedmeister wrote:
Very lazy limited edition - not even new content just a dust jacket.

They have all been like that.

 pretre wrote:

 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
Things could have changed since the first post... Retract those claws a bit

If you had read the first post, you'd know this is a Kroothawk thread. Well known for being updated and kept current. For example, it was updated 45 minutes ago.

First Post wrote:This message was edited 37 times. Last update was at 2013/05/23 13:12:36

I know that kroothawk is good for updating posts, but not everyone is, the point I was trying to make was maybe they did not know to look and it is a long thread, I just don't think it is worth jumping on someones back just for asking a question...

 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
Things could have changed since the first post... Retract those claws a bit

If you had read the first post, you'd know this is a Kroothawk thread. Well known for being updated and kept current. For example, it was updated 45 minutes ago.

First Post wrote:This message was edited 37 times. Last update was at 2013/05/23 13:12:36

I know that kroothawk is good for updating posts, but not everyone is, the point I was trying to make was maybe they did not know to look and it is a long thread, I just don't think it is worth jumping on someones back just for asking a question...

You are a victim of being the latest in a long line of individuals asking daft questions without reading, which is why you may feel treated a little harshly.

The fact remains, Kroot is very good at incorporating info into the first post, so unless its cropped up in the last few pages, its probably there.

CleverAntics wrote:
I'm pretty sure the WK will be quite survivable. Most people seem to think the enemy is going to be shooting 12 ML shots at it for some reason in one turn. There is going to be plenty of other things to worry about other than a mini-Titan; and this isn't considering the Psychic Power that can restore lost wounds, Fortune, etc, or how easy it is for the WK to get a 5+ cover save.

I bet it will be decent. If it isn't a 2+ armor save, I can quite understand why.

I don't think the WK will be able to claim cover saves. It's 'uge... (That's what she said).

Nocturnus wrote:
I don't think the WK will be able to claim cover saves. It's 'uge... (That's what she said).

Main Rulebook wrote:Models in area terrain receive a 5+cover save, regardless of whether or not they are 25% obscured.

 pretre wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Any word yet on changes to Runes of Warding?

Check the first post before asking random questions like this and no.

To be fair the first post is missing most of the rule related updates that have been scrouged from the White Dwarf previews and battle report in the last couple of days.

 pretre wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:
I don't think the WK will be able to claim cover saves. It's 'uge... (That's what she said).

Main Rulebook wrote:Models in area terrain receive a 5+cover save, regardless of whether or not they are 25% obscured.

Thank you for answering that for me, lol. MCs no longer need to be 50% obscured; Area Terrain is cover save as long as you touch it regardless of % covered.

CleverAntics wrote:
Thank you for answering that for me, lol. MCs no longer need to be 50% obscured; Area Terrain is cover save as long as you touch it regardless of % covered.

One of my first posts on FB when the full size of it was seen what that I couldn't wait to hear the gnashing of teeth when someone claimed a cover save by having a corner of the oval base in area terrain.

Powerguy wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Any word yet on changes to Runes of Warding?

Check the first post before asking random questions like this and no.

To be fair the first post is missing most of the rule related updates that have been scrouged from the White Dwarf previews and battle report in the last couple of days.

And some of the artefacts stuff that was copied out of the WD, and some rumours regarding things like the Runes of Warding that 40k Global posted.

 pretre wrote:

CleverAntics wrote:
Thank you for answering that for me, lol. MCs no longer need to be 50% obscured; Area Terrain is cover save as long as you touch it regardless of % covered.

One of my first posts on FB when the full size of it was seen what that I couldn't wait to hear the gnashing of teeth when someone claimed a cover save by having a corner of the oval base in area terrain.

Explaining to my opponent that the WK is crouching in that little crater is going to be too amusing for words...

Also - I think some terrain will give it a cover save.
A bastion / Fortress certainly will.
And several parts I've made, such as a 3 level Tau Bunker, AA Tower, Power Station and Planetary Defence Station will give it cover.

Any one else dreaming about what they will kill their first Wraightknight with ???

For me most likely my Nobz and Warboss.

Logically, something like railgun-to-the-face.
More likely - Sniper Drones or Pulse Rifles.

Or Splinter Cannons, or something Chaos-y, or something Dalekcron-y... depends what I'm in the mood to use at the time.

Fortune!!! The WK will be invincible! He laughs at poison weapons then with a 3+ re-rollable!

Cause I'mma make sure he gets Fortune.

And it is T8, it deserves a 3+ save and no better than a 5++ imo..

I play orks and in cc with a 30 strong boy squad it is immune to 96% of my attacks. 1 model can hurt is while the other 29 stand there.

I have better odds verse a dreadnaught in CC.

 pretre wrote:

CleverAntics wrote:
Thank you for answering that for me, lol. MCs no longer need to be 50% obscured; Area Terrain is cover save as long as you touch it regardless of % covered.

One of my first posts on FB when the full size of it was seen what that I couldn't wait to hear the gnashing of teeth when someone claimed a cover save by having a corner of the oval base in area terrain.

In order to get a cover save, vehicles are still bound to have 25% of targeted side to be obscured. There was a similar rule in 5th edition for monstrous creatures (at 50% back in this time). Why, why, they removed this obligation for monstrous creatures really bothers me. Now this leads to this kind of madness of riptides / wraithlords/ Wraithknights plainly visible, but in cover. And even able to deny defense line / wall cover to some of their targets, thanks to their height.

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
And it is T8, it deserves a 3+ save and no better than a 5++ imo..

I play orks and in cc with a 30 strong boy squad it is immune to 96% of my attacks. 1 model can hurt is while the other 29 stand there.

I have better odds verse a dreadnaught in CC.

So then dont attack with Boyz...

saying "but 200 gretchin can't kill it!" is pretty bad reasoning.

 Ravajaxe wrote:

 pretre wrote:

CleverAntics wrote:
Thank you for answering that for me, lol. MCs no longer need to be 50% obscured; Area Terrain is cover save as long as you touch it regardless of % covered.

One of my first posts on FB when the full size of it was seen what that I couldn't wait to hear the gnashing of teeth when someone claimed a cover save by having a corner of the oval base in area terrain.

In order to get a cover save, vehicles are still bound to have 25% of targeted side to be obscured. There was a similar rule in 5th edition for monstrous creatures (at 50% back in this time). Why, why, they removed this obligation for monstrous creatures really bothers me. Now this leads to this kind of madness of riptides / wraithlords/ Wraithknights plainly visible, but in cover. And even able to deny defense line / wall cover to some of their targets, thanks to their height.

Exactly. It's going to be "entertaining" watching people claim cover from a small stand of trees...

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
Any one else dreaming about what they will kill their first Wraightknight with ???

For me most likely my Nobz and Warboss.

Keep playing against eldar with elder til you one shot it turn one with our fancy new hq's sniper rifle that people are saying instant kills on 6's?

a drive-by shooting with my Kabalite warriors?

death by toxic termagaunt nibbling?

instagib'ed by Grey Knights?

so many options

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
Any one else dreaming about what they will kill their first Wraightknight with ???

For me most likely my Nobz and Warboss.

I'm just crossing my fingers that it is Fearless. Since its technically not a Wraith type unit and doesn't appear to be an Aspect Warrior I have this horrible feeling that it could be WS3 BS3 and not Fearless, which would just kill it as a competitive option.

Jacob29 wrote:

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
And it is T8, it deserves a 3+ save and no better than a 5++ imo..

I play orks and in cc with a 30 strong boy squad it is immune to 96% of my attacks. 1 model can hurt is while the other 29 stand there.

I have better odds verse a dreadnaught in CC.

So then dont attack with Boyz...

saying "but 200 gretchin can't kill it!" is pretty bad reasoning.

It has a jump pack, you may not have a choice.

Gretchins actually have a better chance due to the runtherds with posion. They would be better than the boyz.....

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
Any one else dreaming about what they will kill their first Wraightknight with ???

For me most likely my Nobz and Warboss.

Feeling pretty brave. I'll take my Archon and some Incubi and punch it repeatedly in the face. Or take The Duke and stick him in a mob of 20 Warriors and poison it to death

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:


It has a jump pack, you may not have a choice.

Gretchins actually have a better chance due to the runtherds with posion. They would be better than the boyz.....

Well we THINK it has a jump pack. But yes my bad, I didn't think about it attacking you.

Then again.. does it not seem silly that a Nob can kill a 250+ points wraithknight?

If this thing was to attack a squad of plain old boyz i'd definitely expect it to win..

Huh? Double post?

 pretre wrote:

 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
Things could have changed since the first post... Retract those claws a bit

If you had read the first post, you'd know this is a Kroothawk thread. Well known for being updated and kept current. For example, it was updated 45 minutes ago.

First Post wrote:This message was edited 37 times. Last update was at 2013/05/23 13:12:36

To be fair, I have not included any rules rumours of the last 7 days, because there is still quite some noise.

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
And it is T8, it deserves a 3+ save and no better than a 5++ imo..

I play orks and in cc with a 30 strong boy squad it is immune to 96% of my attacks. 1 model can hurt is while the other 29 stand there.

I have better odds verse a dreadnaught in CC.

Yeah but those 29 other guys are providing 5 re-rolls.

 DeffDred wrote:
Huh? Double post?

That be nice, but that only works in a challenge and if the WK is a character that can challenge I have zero chance since it can just smash the nob.