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KaiyaA wrote:
Enigma how did you get the 25% discount?

I preordered my stuff at 24% off theWarstore.com, but I have an extra 5% off the total sale price (5% of 80% is 4%) because I am a MWG Vault member.

Quark wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:
If the rumors about the fighter are true, it's going decimate other flyers. 4 S8 shots, 2 with lance... also if it truly gets an exarch for a pilot BS5 is going to be gross.

Why would lance matter against other Flyers?

Maybe for ground attack?

Sure, it's great against some ground tanks (assuming we're no longer paying 30 points per shot for it), but there's no Flyer above AV 12, so it'll never matter versus other Flyers which is what was mentioned.

Quark wrote:
Sure, it's great against some ground tanks (assuming we're no longer paying 30 points per shot for it), but there's no Flyer above AV 12, so it'll never matter versus other Flyers which is what was mentioned.

Sorry. I was simply pointing out the lance rule, which as was pointed out, makes it useful against tanks as well. Also, how do you know there will be no AV 13-14 flyers. We are talking about GW here. They'll do anything to sell more models. More frightening is the reported special rule that allows reroll of pens against flyers. I think we will see 2-3 flyers in "competitive lists".

Yeah! AV 14 Imperial Guard Vendettas MK Special!

Now if we could only get some rules tidbits regarding Seer Councils and the various Craftworld rules (if there are any).

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, and I'm sure almost everyone has seen it by now.
But goddamn, even GW knows what people think!

If they knew what people thought, they'd be the richest company in the world.

They definitely dont know what i think. Not with 22 points per model on fire dragons.

 pizzaguardian wrote:
They definitely dont know what i think. Not with 22 points per model on fire dragons.

Well they always did have a habit of taking what they got right in a codex and changing it in future revisions. But that is how they cycle demand for other models. Still not surprised they took the War Walkers out and wacked Vypers in to the Battleforce as to clear the warehouses of them.

Lets see how long it takes to meet demand on the Eldar models this time around.

 LlamaAgility wrote:

Imagine what people with "Photoshop skills" can do with that!

And you thought the Riptide was expensive...

 mortetvie wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
Even with run+shoot.. You'll still only get it off once before getting shredded in combat.

So then make sure you kill whatever you shoot at or have another unit like Harlequins/wraithguard/scorpions in front that can take a charge?

Maybe even a unit with hit an run (or a unit with Baron from DE) so you can get out of combat and shoot again?

This!!!

If their pts cost is what I've heard at 6pts per model, 30 of the buggers would be considerably more dangerous than 10 Avengers or even ten Bikes.

Also...

Warp Spiders in the above tactic are perfect for this as the Guardians will run/shoot, shoot/run, then have the Spiders jump in and shoot then assault and run away on your opponents turn.

Brings the hurt quite a lot.

"Lets see how long it takes to meet demand on the Eldar models this time around."

All I need is the codex and Wraithguard. Have 3k plus of stuff that sounds like it will still work!

Go grab those DA boxes while you can folks!

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
"Lets see how long it takes to meet demand on the Eldar models this time around."

All I need is the codex and Wraithguard. Have 3k plus of stuff that sounds like it will still work!

Go grab those DA boxes while you can folks!

I think it's great that the vast majority of us Eldar players are from the veteran demographic. Meaning we are pretty much already set up - it's the new Eldar bandwagoners that are going to be hurt the most :/ but they can always wait for us retiring (from the game) folk to sell our goods off at affordable prices.

 pizzaguardian wrote:
They definitely dont know what i think. Not with 22 points per model on fire dragons.

Sorry, but Fire Dragons were way undercosted at 16pts. Considering that every army pays 10pts for melta, there's no way a guy with those stats and melta bombs costs 6pts.

 Morachi wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:
They definitely dont know what i think. Not with 22 points per model on fire dragons.

Well they always did have a habit of taking what they got right in a codex and changing it in future revisions. But that is how they cycle demand for other models. Still not surprised they took the War Walkers out and wacked Vypers in to the Battleforce as to clear the warehouses of them.

Lets see how long it takes to meet demand on the Eldar models this time around.

Right, because 16 points for a model with a 3+ save, equipped with a meltagun and with a potential threat range of 24 inches, wouldn't be broken at all....

They're faster and tougher now. Pretty much everyone agreed they were undercosted before.

Nocturnus wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:
They definitely dont know what i think. Not with 22 points per model on fire dragons.

Sorry, but Fire Dragons were way undercosted at 16pts. Considering that every army pays 10pts for melta, there's no way a guy with those stats and melta bombs costs 6pts.

Yeah but 9 times out of 10 fire dragons would kill 1 tank and die horribly. If the 3+ armour rumour is true then 22pts is fine by me.

 Ravenous D wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:
They definitely dont know what i think. Not with 22 points per model on fire dragons.

Sorry, but Fire Dragons were way undercosted at 16pts. Considering that every army pays 10pts for melta, there's no way a guy with those stats and melta bombs costs 6pts.

Yeah but 9 times out of 10 fire dragons would kill 1 tank and die horribly. If the 3+ armour rumour is true then 22pts is fine by me.

Agreed, 22pts is fine. I am really interested in what they are doing with Wave Serpents. At one point someone had said they now have an offensive energy field, I guess similar to what they had back in the Epic days. Also, I wonder how(if) they fixed Banshees and Scorpions. Love the models, hate the lack of a way to get them where they need to be. Any thoughts on whether they will make Wave Serpents assault vehicles?

Apparently the Wave Serpent's energy field 'knocked a couple Necron Warriors down'; so it has a profile anyway at least.

And yes, Fire Dragons were a LITTLE good for 16 pts...

Nocturnus wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:
They definitely dont know what i think. Not with 22 points per model on fire dragons.

Sorry, but Fire Dragons were way undercosted at 16pts. Considering that every army pays 10pts for melta, there's no way a guy with those stats and melta bombs costs 6pts.

Yeah but 9 times out of 10 fire dragons would kill 1 tank and die horribly. If the 3+ armour rumour is true then 22pts is fine by me.

Agreed, 22pts is fine. I am really interested in what they are doing with Wave Serpents. At one point someone had said they now have an offensive energy field, I guess similar to what they had back in the Epic days. Also, I wonder how(if) they fixed Banshees and Scorpions. Love the models, hate the lack of a way to get them where they need to be. Any thoughts on whether they will make Wave Serpents assault vehicles?

I doubt wave serpents will get assault vehicle, even though tanks suck and transports are death traps GW will never let them assault out of them like the 3rd ed days. We're pretty much stuck with having to stand in the open and wait for a turn before being allowed to assault. Its looking like foot-dar will be what a lot of people will be forced to play. So hopefully GW cranked the survivability on Eldar, otherwise its a waste of time and marines and guard still outclass them at everything.

Double post.

...or not, because there goes both of them. feth.

 Sidstyler wrote:
Double post.

...or not, because there goes both of them. feth.

When you have a double post; don't edit them.

Wait a few minutes and the problem usually corrects itself.

That's never happened to me before so I didn't really know what to do, lol.

Basically I was just bitching about prices again. Someone posted a pic of the old warwalker squadron splash release, and I said I remembered seeing the original warwalker box back when I was thinking about getting into 40k in 2006 (I think Eldar had recently been updated because there were articles and model pics all over the GW site) and thinking that it must have at least two or three models in it for the price they were wanting, and being awful shocked when I found out it was just one model.

I also saw someone imply that Tau and Dark Eldar troops were worth taking and had a good laugh about it. If you want "effective" troops that can "shoot and survive and have options" then your only real choice is Space Marines. You won't find anything like that in any xenos book.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Yeah! AV 14 Imperial Guard Vendettas MK Special!

It would have to be a Vendetta wouldn't it?

Not that Lance vs AV12 is huge, but S8, AP2 weapons with what sounds like possibly Vector Dancer and a reroll upgrade? Certainly sounds like that would make it useful anyway. Will have to see the Codex to judge but so far I wants it and if rumor were true, a second does sound fun.

 Sidstyler wrote:
That's never happened to me before so I didn't really know what to do, lol.

Basically I was just bitching about prices again. Someone posted a pic of the old warwalker squadron splash release, and I said I remembered seeing the original warwalker box back when I was thinking about getting into 40k in 2006 (I think Eldar had recently been updated because there were articles and model pics all over the GW site) and thinking that it must have at least two or three models in it for the price they were wanting, and being awful shocked when I found out it was just one model.

I also saw someone imply that Tau and Dark Eldar troops were worth taking and had a good laugh about it. If you want "effective" troops that can "shoot and survive and have options" then your only real choice is Space Marines. You won't find anything like that in any xenos book.

What I was saying is that tau help their army and other by making thins shoot better and have a ton of useful synergy in the army. Plus they shoot really well. Dark Eldar have a myriad of special weapons and poisoned guns. Guardians get a single heavy weapon and borderline useless weaponry, have no synergy with anything in the army, no special weapons, BS 3, and no good save. I still wonder how Dire Avengers stay troops, seems to me that GW needs to move them to elites just to get people to buy Guardians. I know I have some serious buyers remorse from buying them.

The body proportions of the Wraithknight seem better now that I've seen it in the 360 view. Seems to fit well with the other wraith stuff.

Lots of speculation of course until someone gets a hold of a rule book "early", but sounds pretty good to me. I still play with the old metal wraithlords and just swap out plastic guns.

Im good with fire dragons at 22pts, just take MSU and hope the Wave Serpent is a touch more survivable.

And if i get new Wraithguard, hopefully the arms line up i can magnetize them so i can swap out weapons and not look too fugly.

DA need to stay troops. Way too much stuff in our elites section as it is.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Lots of speculation of course until someone gets a hold of a rule book "early", but sounds pretty good to me. I still play with the old metal wraithlords and just swap out plastic guns.

Im good with fire dragons at 22pts, just take MSU and hope the Wave Serpent is a touch more survivable.

And if i get new Wraithguard, hopefully the arms line up i can magnetize them so i can swap out weapons and not look too fugly.

DA need to stay troops. Way too much stuff in our elites section as it is.

If the WS is to have a blinding rule of some sort so that the closest models can't do anything to the fragons.....does anyone else see what I am trying to say here? There is sooo much potential that fragons just might be the next anti term squad along with the suncannon....god that thing is a beast.

Mr.Church13 wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
That's never happened to me before so I didn't really know what to do, lol.

Basically I was just bitching about prices again. Someone posted a pic of the old warwalker squadron splash release, and I said I remembered seeing the original warwalker box back when I was thinking about getting into 40k in 2006 (I think Eldar had recently been updated because there were articles and model pics all over the GW site) and thinking that it must have at least two or three models in it for the price they were wanting, and being awful shocked when I found out it was just one model.

I also saw someone imply that Tau and Dark Eldar troops were worth taking and had a good laugh about it. If you want "effective" troops that can "shoot and survive and have options" then your only real choice is Space Marines. You won't find anything like that in any xenos book.

What I was saying is that tau help their army and other by making thins shoot better and have a ton of useful synergy in the army. Plus they shoot really well. Dark Eldar have a myriad of special weapons and poisoned guns. Guardians get a single heavy weapon and borderline useless weaponry, have no synergy with anything in the army, no special weapons, BS 3, and no good save. I still wonder how Dire Avengers stay troops, seems to me that GW needs to move them to elites just to get people to buy Guardians. I know I have some serious buyers remorse from buying them.

Guardians have been flailing for a role since they were changed from 2nd edition, when they were too good with their shuriken catapults back when catapults had sustained fire dice and -2 ASM. Since 3rd edition's change reducing the catapult to a pistol ranged Assault weapon (on a troop that you don't really want to assault with), they have then been ablative wounds for a weapons platform. There is the obvious lack of synergy between their short ranged catapults and the longer ranged weapon platform. They can neither assault nor shoot well aside from their platform and even that is dubious given the points invested and BS 3.

The problem is the Guardians are basically in terms of statline a superior Guardsman, with superior Initiative and Leadership and in 2nd edition slightly superior armor. However with the creep of various rules for IG reducing their vulnerability to Ld tests and the Initiative difference being of little practical significance, and now with this rumored Ancient Enemy rule, the Eldar are arguably one of the most vulnerable armies to actually failing a Ld test. The introduction of Orders to IG has also increased the effective firepower of the lasgun armed Guardsman, while Guardians are still left to muddle along with a cripplingly short ranged weapon. Even the Ork Shoota outperforms the catapult in every aspect except AP.

To fix things, GW needs to face up to the fact that they screwed up with the 12" catapult. They tacitly admitted this when they bumped the Avengers up to 18", but then fell short of correcting the problem with Guardians. Until they do, all these other fixes they are implementing are just band-aid solutions that don't fix the underlying problem. When Guardians are best used as hordes or as suicidal ablative wounds then there is a problem given the theme of the Eldar as being a dwindling race that uses superior technology to compensate for lack of numbers.

 Ravenous D wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:
They definitely dont know what i think. Not with 22 points per model on fire dragons.

Sorry, but Fire Dragons were way undercosted at 16pts. Considering that every army pays 10pts for melta, there's no way a guy with those stats and melta bombs costs 6pts.

Yeah but 9 times out of 10 fire dragons would kill 1 tank and die horribly. If the 3+ armour rumour is true then 22pts is fine by me.

It's most definitely confirmed. The GW preview page shows the entire armylist entry.