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Something I haven't really seen come up: do Ranger long rifles still have the rule where rolls to hit of 6 count as AP1? Even though those hits never wounded for me it was always a nifty little trick to pull out.

Sorry about my misspoken comment on psychic powers and the doom example.

I've been playing tau to long.

Tpiddy wrote:
But I think dual bright lance wraithlord could replace the popular EML/BL lord as a tank hunter. For 160 points (5 pts more expensive) you get a guy that does the job way better (against heavy tanks anyways).
And like you mentioned, they got rid of wraithsight. They also got rid of the twin linked shennanigans.

Do note that for the same cost as a Brightlance, you can take a Scatter Laser. Scatter laser has 4 shots at S6 which lets you shoot at more than just tanks. More importantly, it works as a "Laser Lock" now which Twin-links your Brightlance if one of the shots hit.

I'm imagining Wraithlords and War Walkers are going to be taking SL+BL or SL+EML more often now.

2 BL shots at BS4 = 1.3 hits.
1 TL-BL shot at BS4 = 0.9 hits.

So why would you do that?

And it doesn't work on WW's either. 6 BL shots is better than 3 TL-BL shots.

 Absolutionis wrote:

Tpiddy wrote:
But I think dual bright lance wraithlord could replace the popular EML/BL lord as a tank hunter. For 160 points (5 pts more expensive) you get a guy that does the job way better (against heavy tanks anyways).
And like you mentioned, they got rid of wraithsight. They also got rid of the twin linked shennanigans.

Do note that for the same cost as a Brightlance, you can take a Scatter Laser. Scatter laser has 4 shots at S6 which lets you shoot at more than just tanks. More importantly, it works as a "Laser Lock" now which Twin-links your Brightlance if one of the shots hit.

I'm imagining Wraithlords and War Walkers are going to be taking SL+BL or SL+EML more often now.

I think I'd rather just take the Prisim. Cheaper than Wraithlord, longer range and has 3 firing modes. It can hit with a strength 9 lance as well.

Since reserves and bless sings / maledictions start at begginjng of turn I though the con census was the controlling player could choose which happened first? Or am I just remembering something that isn't there.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
2 BL shots at BS4 = 1.3 hits.
1 TL-BL shot at BS4 = 0.9 hits.

So why would you do that?

And it doesn't work on WW's either. 6 BL shots is better than 3 TL-BL shots.

Versatility.

You sacrifice 0.4 S8 hits for 2 S6 hits.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
2 BL shots at BS4 = 1.3 hits.
1 TL-BL shot at BS4 = 0.9 hits.

So why would you do that?

And it doesn't work on WW's either. 6 BL shots is better than 3 TL-BL shots.

Yeah, I did this earlier in the thread... if you want your Warwalkers (or a Wraithlord) to specifically be better at killing AV12+, you want 2 Bright Lances; if you're aiming for light vehicles, just use two Scatter Lasers (or a SL and a Shurcannon). Trying to do "Both" is a recipe for disaster with Eldar.

(How long until this thread is closed 'cause there aren't any more rumors? The Digital Version is apparently going live now.)

I didn't see this mentioned anywhere else , so ... I was checking out the Runes of Battle section, and each is 2 powers. Does this mean that you haveto choose only one to have access to when you generate powers, or that you can choose either from that slot every time you cast?

For instance: The primaris power Conceal/Reveal.

It specifically says to choose when you cast.

 Celtic Strike wrote:
[quote=Theorius 463557 5682997 null

most of this is wrong, you miss massive amounts of things dude...wait till you got the codex and if you have the codex re-read it.

Avatar lost his 4++ its only 5++ he gets to pick exarch powers his bs went up to 10.....he gets battle focus....

Farseer lost tons of rune options, they also can pick more masteries now.

Warlocks are more expensive...

Fire dragons also have fleet and battle focus....

I stopped there

"Not wrong, I said warlocks are more expensive. I never mentioned anything about the avatars Invul because he's just a deamon now and it should be obvious and ALL aspects got fleet and battle focus. That's like reviewing a car by saying it has wheels and breaks. I don't need to include things I think we all know.

I'll retract the thing on Warlocks. Saying '+' isn't a very clear indicator of more points, I'll admit.

Nocturnus wrote:

 Celtic Strike wrote:
[quote=Theorius 463557 5682997 null

most of this is wrong, you miss massive amounts of things dude...wait till you got the codex and if you have the codex re-read it.

Avatar lost his 4++ its only 5++ he gets to pick exarch powers his bs went up to 10.....he gets battle focus....

Farseer lost tons of rune options, they also can pick more masteries now.

Warlocks are more expensive...

Fire dragons also have fleet and battle focus....

I stopped there

"Not wrong, I said warlocks are more expensive. I never mentioned anything about the avatars Invul because he's just a deamon now and it should be obvious and ALL aspects got fleet and battle focus. That's like reviewing a car by saying it has wheels and breaks. I don't need to include things I think we all know.

I'll retract the thing on Warlocks. Saying '+' isn't a very clear indicator of more points, I'll admit.

"

If you think about it, Fire Dragons are in line with all other troops that have melta guns. In fact, throw in the melta bombs(usually a +5pt upgrade) and they're still a steal. Melta guns cost 10 points, Meltabombs are 5pts.That means Fire Dragons are: 7pts. That's a great bargain...

Actually looks like Vibrocannons got a healthy upgrade. Damn, and GW is even offering a discount on a battery of them...

It's about time Vibrocannons had a point, especially with all the stuff they're competing with.

And I like that they've managed to give the Eldar 28 of their own psychic powers whilst they still only technically have 14.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's about time Vibrocannons had a point, especially with all the stuff they're competing with.

And I like that they've managed to give the Eldar 28 of their own psychic powers whilst they still only technically have 14.

Well, 21. Only one of the trees is dual-cast.

Only 1? Ok well, that's better than three separate sets of 7.

Am I correctly reading Mind War that it no longer picks out individual models like a sniper, but rather targets units normally? This meaning it could kill multiple enemy models with a single cast and reduce the whole unit to ws/bs 1? I'm thinking Horrify on a unit of low leadership enemies like Tau followed by Mind War could end up killing quite a few models, or even a whole unit of crisis suit shas'ui all in one go.

ignore me figured it out

lokust2501 wrote:
Am I correctly reading Mind War that it no longer picks out individual models like a sniper, but rather targets units normally? This meaning it could kill multiple enemy models with a single cast and reduce the whole unit to ws/bs 1? I'm thinking Horrify on a unit of low leadership enemies like Tau followed by Mind War could end up killing quite a few models, or even a whole unit of crisis suit shas'ui all in one go.

Mindwar is a focused witchfire.

lokust2501 wrote:
Am I correctly reading Mind War that it no longer picks out individual models like a sniper, but rather targets units normally? This meaning it could kill multiple enemy models with a single cast and reduce the whole unit to ws/bs 1? I'm thinking Horrify on a unit of low leadership enemies like Tau followed by Mind War could end up killing quite a few models, or even a whole unit of crisis suit shas'ui all in one go.

I'd say no. Focused Witchfire just means that if you fail to roll low enough on the test, (5 or less, iirc), then the target is randomly chosen within the squad. Doesn't affect the whole unit.

Thanks! I missed the focused part. It seemed like a huge departure so I figured I was missing something.

Looking at Asurmen's rules, it seems he is set up to be a tarpit character. Especially if he gets the Warlord trait that allow him all saving throws. That means he would have a 2+ armor save with re-rolls of 1 and a 4++ save with re-rolls of 1, meaning non-AP 2 weapons have only 1/36 of getting past the armor. In challenges, his Shield of Grace plus that Warlord trait would mean in addition to the 2+ armor with re-roll of 1, a 3++ save with re-roll of 1.

Fuegan's special power of +1 S and +1A for each unsaved wound suffered in a phase could be combined with the Renewer psychic power. In other words, Fuegan gets wounded, powers up for rest of game, then gets healed by Warlock, but retains his power up. Fuegan could potentially reach S10 A10 then.

But is that any use for Fuegan? I mean, he has a big honkin' melta-gun thingy. What's he need S and A for?

Well, he does get that fancy Axe with Armorbane. I guess? Who knows?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But is that any use for Fuegan? I mean, he has a big honkin' melta-gun thingy. What's he need S and A for?

dude his remanant of glory is the fire axe!! (ap 1, armourbane)

he also has crushing blow...AND...AND, he is a phoenix lord man! he can kill most things in melee.

feel no pain, 2+ save, eternal warriors, 7 ws, 7 init....4 base atks....killer, stone cold!

Seems like Runes of Warding/Witnessing are now fairly useless, which makes a bog standard Farseer pretty cheap since there aren't many upgrades to take this codex.

 Shandara wrote:
Seems like Runes of Warding/Witnessing are now fairly useless, which makes a bog standard Farseer pretty cheap since there aren't many upgrades to take this codex.

Yep, 100pts base for 3 powers is quite nice. Give him a Jetbike if he isn't going to be in a transport (its worth it just for the +1T so you don't get squashed quite so much) but Warding and Witnessing are a waste of time now. Warding is practically never useful since a) you already get +1 to Deny because you are a psyker, b) you are a level 3 psyker so are getting +1 against most other HQ psykers and +2 against low level stuff (like Horrors) and c) the strongest psychic powers (i.e the ones you worry about) are all self target buffs which you don't get to Deny anyway. The only reason to bring Witnessing is the same as it used to be, people running Deathstar builds which rely on getting Fortune up. However since Fortune is now not guaranteed hopefully this tactic will disappear (I imagine people will try and run Councils still, but 10 Warlocks with Conceal, +1 armour and Fortune still have a pretty average damage output and will die to proper combat units).

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 smurfORnot wrote:
Scans of most stuff from the book are online(you can make your army list without problem) . I won't post them online,but you are free to drop me pm :p

bloody of kittens can point you in the right direction as well.

I've had the book for about 8 hours now, I'm surprised at how closely this update resembles Kelly's update of CSM's. The do-take units and don't-take units are largely the same with a couple exceptions and there's one or two very powerful new units.