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Tried to resist but this kickstarter thing is addictive and by the time you get your stuff you've almost forgotten/recovered from paying out and it's like christmas presents all through the year. Went in at savior and upped total to include extra model packs (couldn't justify the cost till extras were added) and so far am palnning on Noh and Speed Circuit.

 Task and Purpose wrote:
So is this a good deal or just a way to get access to LTD ED minis?

Early talk was this is just about retail. Seems like there's no real breaks on the "extras".

Initially the 'extras' were indeed just about retail (but plastic not the nightmare to assmeble that mixed metal & plastic was)

BUT now we have hit the lastest stretch the extra's come with more figures for free

EX Plus unlocked! Optional items upgraded!


Update #30 · Aug. 31, 2012 · 6 comments



Have a look at the extra stuff added to each optional miniatures pack!




Breaker Team! Yeah! Big Guns!





Release the Hounds! 2 more Agha!





Navarre Hauser enters the fight!





Stay in school! Prefects added!





Every pit needs a crew!





Don't get on the wrong end of her rapier! Moffett enters!






Automatically Appended Next Post:
New stretch goal

$380k stretch... SDE anyone? Also check out draft rules!



Presenting Relic Knight - Super Dungeon Explore Avatars
Saving the universe is hard work and after long day nothing is more relaxing for a Relic Knight than playing the system's most popular video game, Super Dungeon Explore. Now you can guide them on their quest by getting your favorite Relic Knights in the "chibi" avatar form they inhabit when playing the game. These are fantastic models to collect and paint for any Relic Knights fan, but will also come with their own unique Hero cards allowing you to use them in your games of Super Dungeon Explore!

We've cross-overed into cross-over territory with our next stretch! If we hit $380k, the first of our SDE cross over special edition figures unlocks! Available as a Special Edition choice, or for $10!

oh well this one leaves me cold (really do not like the superdeformed look), but maybe other will disagree

Yep very underwhelmed by this as I have no interest in SDE but it's a very clever marketing move to get more SDE backers in on this as well still I wish they hadn't gone the cross over route as this adds nothing to the Relic Knights game the minis can't even be used for RK hopefully there aren't to many of these eating up the stretch goals.

DaveC wrote:
Yep very underwhelmed by this as I have no interest in SDE but it's a very clever marketing move to get more SDE backers in on this as well still I wish they hadn't gone the cross over route as this adds nothing to the Relic Knights game the minis can't even be used for RK hopefully there aren't to many of these eating up the stretch goals.

well soda pop said this

SPM_Deke 7 minutes ago
Never fear Relic Knights purists! We have much more planned.

so hopefully they will be alternating between SDE stuff and pure Relic Knights at worst......

a less serious suggestion... but it shows they arn't useless

SPM_Deke 25 minutes ago
@Michael
Chibi's also make excellent alt cypher models. Bat-mite!? But you're a Noh fan -- micronized enslaved Malya? =P

Maybe it's just me but I see stretch rewards that I have to pay extra to get as not really a reward, I'd rather see the optional extras added randomly with no goals needed and that all stretch rewards be a tangible free reward for the pledger even if that means the stretches are further apart.

Just look at it as getting extra money from others who DO want those things to help speed you towards the next freebie stretch goal

The alt. cypher idea isn't a bad one will have to wait and see what they are like to decide if I want to spend $10 on them - I'm currently reading through 7 pages of comments from when I was at work today haven't got to the comments on the new stretch yet.

The comments on the SDE seem to be

40% I hate it
40% I love it
20% not for me but I understand why they did it

I thought it would be a split decision alright - I'm not fussed either way I see why they did it and may still consider them.

I've attached the artwork for Sophia Drake and Warlord Mamaro-To that I mentioned this morning hopefully these get minis in the KS notice Sophia is wearing Black Dragon Armour and her rules state that Black Dragons are linked to her and gain the coordinated fire ability.

And there is also an interesting concept sketch of Marie Claude (I think) in Mech Armour

I had (as Baldrick would say) a cunning plan

The Soda Pop comment of using the Chibi's as altenate cypers is a good one, so I've asked them if they could include a RK cyper card with appropriate art/powers with them

that way they 'become' part of the game. You can grab them an us them without 'proxying' on the wrong card (anathama to some)

hopefully that will be cheap enough for them to do

what do you think

So are the runts actually usable in SDE? They have their SDE cards? I've seen the Candy & Cola SDE fig. Kinda meh, kinda cool....I definitely can't see myself an extra $50-$70 on chibis. After all we've gotten so far they would have been better as freebies or at least cheapies. I mean it's like "Hey guys get us 60K more and you can buy stuff we were gonna make anyways at retail price." There's a lot of good value in this KS miniature wise and a lot of good, fun, sculpts that I will pay for and paint, but chibis minis = chibi detail, and should = chibi price. I mean isn't this entire KS in plastic?

That being said.

Once the KS is over can we increase our pledges to buy extra stuff? Specifically I know that I want to spend at least150-175, but I don't want to spend say $300 all out of one paycheck.

If yes, are we paying for stuff at the prices in the KS, or at post KS (new, inflated) costs?

thanks!

Updated graphic with the new boosts.



@Mighty Godzilla
Yes, the "runts" are actually usable in SDE.

You can add to you pledge in the pledge manager to get optional extras at the Kickstarter price but, obviously, that won't assist achieving stretch goals.

Deke

There will be a pledge manager

that's all we've been told

My guess is you'll need to be at saviour ($100) level to be able to add stuff freely, as that's equivalent to the sweet spot in previous CMON properties.

Reaper are charging late comers (who hadn't pledged, vampire I think) extra though, so whether CMON will do this too ?

CMON has confirmed that the battle mat is 3'x3' and is a pre printed foam mat - an update is due to announce it properly

To Swap or not to Swap, Soda Pop has the answer


Update #32 · Aug. 31, 2012 · 4 comments





OK! Confirmation on a couple of swappable / addable items.

Hardback Rulebook
■ Swappable for $35 credit on any optional items or additional Faction Starters. You can swap all your books if you wish, even if it means you get zero books (warning: Hard to play the full game with all your unlocked models with just Quickstart Rules).
■ Purchasable for $35 as an option on any pledge level

Faction Starter in Savior / Double Savior / GTGEA
■ Swappable for $50 credit on any optional items or rulebooks.
Does not decrease your eligibility for Special Edition Miniatures.
■ Purchasable for $50 as an option on Savior, Double Savior and Got to Get Em All
Does not increase your eligibility for Special Edition Miniatures.

Not swappable items
■Lithographs
■Special Edition Miniatures

May not use swapped credit for
■Shipping

Actually with this new information I think I'm all set to buy. I only wanted 3 factions, but a boatload of extras. Now that you can swap out a starter faction makes Double Saviour a lot more appealing. That and being able to up my contribution at a later date. I gotta say, nice!

That's just thrown up so many confusing questions they didn't think of - it's badly worded as someone suggested on the comments you can buy Savior for $100 and swap out both factions and rulebook for $135 credit and still keep the 2 cosplay figures or DS for $190 swap out 2 factions and book for $135 credit for extras or all 4 factions for $235 credit and still get 4 cosplay figures. Load up on the limited extras and ebay them later. I think the intention was to allow just 1 faction swap out I've asked for clarification.

OrlandotheTechnicoloured was nice enough to give us a heads up about a new Stretch Goal, located under the Updates tab here;

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/relic-knights/posts/299426

OK this just got weird

Creator CoolMiniOrNot 20 minutes ago

Quick clarification - unlike pass KS we've run, you can "pile on" different pledge levels. e.g. $100 + $270 for Savior and GTGEA (total 8 Faction Starters). Doesn't matter which level you actually select, we'll sort it out after.

Creator CoolMiniOrNot 16 minutes ago
@Stuart Yes you get all the stuff in GGEA and Savior, and you can swap in and out as you like.

So if I pledge GGEA x2 and swap out 5 rulebooks and 6 factions for credit my pledge goes from $505 to $435 and I get 12 Cosplay figures rather than 6 that's just mad

No, not really. You're swapping out items for credit, but you've paid real cash. Once you bought in you can't reduce your pledge, but they are giving you more options to get exactly what you want. Credit =/= Real Cash. Once they have the molds built the raw material is dirt cheap...certainly not the $10 per fig they're asking for. So CMON is going to hook up the 1700+ people who backed them originally and they walk away with metal molds, cash, etc etc etc.

Basically this KS is looking to make itself way more lucrative to the people (like me) who haven't jumped on board yet, and give extra value to the people who have. The swap out options they announced this morning secured my patronage, and will probably do the same for others sitting on the fence.

Sorry miscalculation on my part the credit has to spent on extras I didn't factor that in but it does save me $20 at GGEA and an extar Savior plus 2 extra cosplay minis

CMON have futher clarified as they realised they got it wrong:

Faction Starter in Savior / Double Savior / GTGEA

Swappable for $50 credit on any optional items or rulebooks.
Does not decrease your eligibility for Special Edition Miniatures. You may swap 1 Faction Starter from Savior, 2 from Double Savior, and 3 from Got to Get Em All.
Purchasable for $50 as an option on Savior, Double Savior and Got to Get Em All
Does not increase your eligibility for Special Edition Miniatures. Comes with all figures included in the Faction Starters including unlocked models. International pledgers please add $15 shipping.

Funny thought, but does shipping go up (for us international backers) if we take an extra starter set as an option?

If you add another Savior you add another $25 postage. If you take another faction for $50 you add another $15 postage.

At least the swap confusion seems to have been cleared up.

Has anyone who has had a chance to read the rules yet noticed how terrain and/or cover will work in this game?

 Alpharius wrote:
Has anyone who has had a chance to read the rules yet noticed how terrain and/or cover will work in this game?

I've skimmed and watched the gameplay video and here's what I think it plays like

All cover & models have a size value (a cyper is 1, a relic knight 4).... You can have terrain bigger than any of the figures giving complete cover

If a larger object completly obsures your target you can't attack (except with certain powers)

If a larger object partially obscures your target gets some soak from it (ie damage reduction), representing some of the fire hitting the obsticle

the game plays a move-shoot/hit-move (although most characters second move is shorter than the first) mechanic so you can dart out of cover, attack and return to cover

(and some attacks include extra movement for the attacker, or knock back/away for the defender adding further tactics)

well, just added a bit to my pledge for the optional stuff for the factions i'm going for, guess its good i pulled a lot of overtime at work recently

and the trade in rules change again they've reduced trade in value of the starter factions at higher levels to take account of the extra discount already on these levels

Faction Starter in Savior / Double Savior / GTGEA

Swappable for $50/$45/$40 (Savior, Double Savior and GTGEA respectively) credit on any optional items or rulebooks.
Does not decrease your eligibility for Special Edition Miniatures. You may swap 1 Faction Starter from Savior, 2 from Double Savior, and 3 from Got to Get Em All.

Well there is no $ saving anymore but you do still keep the extra 2 SE miniatures so that's $20 of extra minis there it will get me 1 SDE mini for free on top of the 7 cosplays

Closer look at the battlemat that they sent out in the update.



Rubberized cloth (mousepad)

Sold - adding one to my (eventual) pledge!

New pledge wheel is up



Disappointed that the SDE minis are $30k jumps but Boost EX2 at $460k!

Hoping for Sophia Drake or some Black Dragons and Warlord Mamaro-To at Boost EX2