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That would be nice - especially if it got the SDE stuff out of this Kickstarter!

SDE Princess Malya and Mr. Tomn unlocked



Next up Omni base inserts @$400k - every miniature you get will receive a base insert this upgrades the original base insert goal that gave 1 fixed set per Savior level



SDE Calico Kate unlocks at $430K

Boost EX2 (no details yet) @ $460k

 Alpharius wrote:
That would be nice - especially if it got the SDE stuff out of this Kickstarter!

Wanna bet the sde KS would have relics minis in it?

I'm not so sure, but you're probably right!

It is odd to have the mix of the two, though it is obvious as to why they are doing it.

I'd just prefer a straight up RK KS only - if possible!

Still, if it gets us closer to the RK unlocks, so be it.

Plus, I get to think that I'm saving $10 a pop by not wanting this one, or the next one!

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
As to prices after the KS it sounds like the starter boxes will probably be $75+, but prices havn't been finalised.

and while plastic is cheaped to make did 40K stuff get much cheaper when it went plastic ? or for that matter are the new plastic Malifaux models much cheaper than the older metals ?

My guess is the single figures in plastic will be a little cheaper than the existing metal/resin, but not dramatically so (they will be FAR easier to put together though)

I didn't consider Games Workshop lines because they're a big company and it didn't seem reasonable for them to cut us a break on price no matter what.

Malifaux didn't really get cheaper either. And I'm unaware of the price points for the other CMON kickstarter projects. But Reaper's Bones miniatures (that are currently available) have an approximate price drop of 80%.

 Alpharius wrote:
I'd just prefer a straight up RK KS only - if possible!

As someone who was on the fence about this one, leaning heavily towards the "Maybe next time" side, the SDE stuff is making me swing back in favour of it.

I guess if the SDE stuff pulls in enough folks to keep stuff moving, I'm ok with it. It's an easy pass on both of them for me.

Besides, it's not like you have to buy it. It's there for people who want it. Now all they have to do is reveal the other ones. if they do all the main Relic Knight people thingies as SDE models, then I'm in.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I'd just prefer a straight up RK KS only - if possible!

As someone who was on the fence about this one, leaning heavily towards the "Maybe next time" side, the SDE stuff is making me swing back in favour of it.

Two $10 figures are going to get you to buy in at what level?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Besides, it's not like you have to buy it. It's there for people who want it. Now all they have to do is reveal the other ones. if they do all the main Relic Knight people thingies as SDE models, then I'm in.

I realize that I don't 'have' to buy them - I would have liked stretch goals that pertain to THIS game system instead of stretch goals that do not pertain to this system. Simple as that!

Again, I know they are aiming for a cross-pollination thing here. I get that.

Heh, I don't even own SDE and I like the chibi specials.

Personally as a backer I am both Underwhelmed and disappointed, this is CMONs 3rd kickstarter and the one I find worse managed, I see no point is giving more money, I actually went from early bird savior to double savior to save 10$ actually...

I am mystified why they did not go the sedition wars way, here 10$ unmounted X cipher if we hit you get a SDE version thrown in ectr, 20$ for Black Dragons if we hit X stretch goal we will add Sophia Drake in and so on, as it is there is really not much incentive on spending more.

Two side questions, has anybody asked if Black Diamond corp get female models too or they are the only male only minions and can we get triplicates of the same starter, I know the say "even duplicates", but I am unsure if that's a hard limit or they never expected somebody not wanting any other faction.

@alpharius. For them to buy one of the sde figures they have to purchase in at $50 level. I'm not sure how many people would buy a model for $60.00, so they are banking on the sde crew to join at higher levels to purchase the full game and a faction and the limited chili models.

I'm still on the fence on this kick starter. There are a ton of models, but I don't think I could do them justice with my painting skills. Plus I haven't done anime in years as its too adult now for my kids to watch. Just not something I want to showcase for my girls and son to see kids dressed like these models. I know I'm crazy but were all allowed to be a little off.

Theophony

My main issue with the models is that the actual models shown for the very few that have been produced (pewter? resin?) are a way off the concept art. Even assuming I find some figures here that aren't too far into titty-wee-a-boo for my tastes, chances are the actual models won't look nearly as good as the concept art. It's not like the KoW Kickstarter either that was so cheap that you could risk it anyway with a healthy chance of selling them off for as much as you paid for them (or more).

I will say that the Noh stuff shown so far looks pretty cool though. They could tempt me in if there was another faction that looked as good. Most everything else looks like doggy-style balloon-breasts though. Except the paladins, but they're sadly not nearly as nice as the Noh.

 Alpharius wrote:
Two $10 figures are going to get you to buy in at what level?

Firstly, I think they'll make more than just 2.

Secondly - and you should know this by now - I never do anything by half measures. If I'm in, I'm in for 3 starters (Black Diamond, Shattered Sword, Cerci Speed Circuit). And probably the PA guys and that big Mech thing with the energy axe.

But.. three starters out of six is pretty much exactly half measures....

 PsychoticStorm wrote:


Two side questions, has anybody asked if Black Diamond corp get female models too or they are the only male only minions and can we get triplicates of the same starter, I know the say "even duplicates", but I am unsure if that's a hard limit or they never expected somebody not wanting any other faction.

See by this question alone I know you aren't even looking before you type and that kinda annoys me on this one. They hit 400k btw this morning so base inserts it is. As for the people who stated about the concepts and the models you do realise that these are pretty spot on right? I mean sure in practical senses their is some variation but when I look at the finished vs looking at the model I see what they drew.

 Empchild wrote:

 PsychoticStorm wrote:


Two side questions, has anybody asked if Black Diamond corp get female models too or they are the only male only minions and can we get triplicates of the same starter, I know the say "even duplicates", but I am unsure if that's a hard limit or they never expected somebody not wanting any other faction.

See by this question alone I know you aren't even looking before you type and that kinda annoys me on this one. They hit 400k btw this morning so base inserts it is. As for the people who stated about the concepts and the models you do realise that these are pretty spot on right? I mean sure in practical senses their is some variation but when I look at the finished vs looking at the model I see what they drew.

Sorry to annoy you, I tried reading through 7k comments on kickstarter, but somewhere around 2k comments I thought to better ask about it here if somebody who had payed better attention than me and or kept a closer eye on it had an answer.

Now if that was that annoying for you to force you to express your displeasure without answering any of the two questions, I am terribly sorry for that.

And once again a goal is reached and there's no update.

I have definitely waffled back and forth and with the lack on info, lack of models made and the current push toward the SDE instead of boosts for this game...

Well, I guess in their defense if they are at PAX prime, it should be 9 in the morning there.

You dont need to read through comments.just look on the home page for the kickstarter. Their are pictures that will answer your questions.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Two side questions, has anybody asked if Black Diamond corp get female models too or they are the only male only minions and can we get triplicates of the same starter, I know the say "even duplicates", but I am unsure if that's a hard limit or they never expected somebody not wanting any other faction.

My guess is that Black Diamond Corp (minions) are all male models. So if I'm correct, the only girls in the Black Diamond Faction Starter at the moment are Jessi Bancroft (One Shot) and Suspect 7.

Updated Base Insert Concept:



And listed EX2 Boost gains:

Just in the Kickstarter alone their are 4 females, and I found that out by going to the home page and scrolling down. This does not include any of the special addons or anything.

See that's the issue, all I see is the artwork of a single trooper copy pasted and inverted 5 times, that could be either "laziness" (meaning they had not the time to draw another artwork for them, that could also be a female corp) or an indicator that there will only be male corp, hence why I asked.

On the update, I am not really happy I was really hoping for Black Dragons and from the comments on kickstarter so did many people.

There is only 1 piece of artwork for each minion hence the copy and paste.

You can see the BD minions in the picture and the SSP in the one below so there is some variety. I was hoping for Black Dragons and Sophia as well they may be saving them for later boosts. Financially the EX2 boosts makes most sense for SPM as there is no further investment in new molds and the starters are effectively 2 for 1 deals.

They have the picture under the 5 guys of the three ninja chicks. Plus you have the women on the giant gun mech.

@DaveC

Indeed there is some variety, but I was hopping for some female corp models too, since all human factions have male and female minions at least in the artwork, barring Cerci who seems to be an all female faction for some reason.

As for the kickstarter, I really seem to have a problem adding more stuff, McVey did it right with adding things to buy and having stretch levels tied to giving an extra to the stuff you just bought.

Geesh - if they have all these painted samples of stuff already - why don't they have them on the Kickstarter page?

I'm a lot more interested knowing that all the troops aren't clones of the same 1-2 models. Is that giant robot in the back of the black diamond the $35 add-on? Because that's a lot bigger than I was expecting.

And I agree, it's disappointing that the Ex boosts are giving more of the models already included. For a skirmish game there's not a lot of incentive to having a ton of duplicates. I'd much rather the boosts be adding additional heads/weapons/bits to the existing troopers to field more variety.

I think they do not show them, because they are not the plastics the KS will produce they are resin/ metal models.

I still am amazed they are not showing them even if they are in the wrong material. They are already showing some stuff in the resin (Cerci speed jetbikes for example)

Actually looking at the shattered sword models makes me second guess them though... well, except the character models, just wish there were picks of the paragons.

But on the flip side, love the Black Diamond even more impressive (the diamond back is monstrous!!)

Throne of Angels has put up 2 new videos the first looking at the current resin/metal Noh minis (Agha hounds, Beserkers and Beastmaster) with the Doctrine Librarian right at the end. The second is the Black Diamond minis (Leopold and Static, Black Dragons, BD Corps and the Breaker Team).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAL21LOP-jI&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ySL3EMkrp0&feature=plcp