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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Hey, is there any way of getting 4x Savior? (I'm not insane, a friend asked me to pledge in his name, too)

From horses (CMON:S mouth)

Quick clarification - unlike pass KS we've run, you can "pile on" different pledge levels. e.g. $100 + $270 for Savior and GTGEA (total 8 Faction Starters). Doesn't matter which level you actually select, we'll sort it out after.

So calculate total and go hogwild!

I really like the look of the helmeted Hells Belles heads, I'm hoping they make it into plastic

Soda Pop has said they will try to make altenate arms/heads for the minions available for variety (but it's not certainty)

but it would make thing s more fun

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Dentry wrote:
I'll second Scipio's skepticism of Soda Pop's execution of their concept art. Especially with that Kisa sculpt. The mounted Kisa is ugly and that's with a professional paint job. I'd buy ten of them if they were more like the artwork.
Right now, I'd probably go Black Diamond based on the models alone. Although I don't plan on playing Relic Knights so I might end up getting the Noh or Space Corsairs or maybe not pledge at all.

With Soda pop minis the painter brings out the look more than with other minis. Too many painters just try to paint them like a warhammer mini instead of painting them as though they are canvas. For better examples

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It all comes down to making the nose and eyes look cel shaded.

Also I was at Gen Con and those minis were not pro. They looked like minis they rushed an employee to have for a display.
My company had to do the same thing for our demo minis.

I don't really understand why you two feel a need to let the internet know what you want changed. Do either of you actually look at your posts? It's like you think the KS or Soda Pop are going to change things up because you two don't like the direction. I personally love the fact they they are targeting the whole anime audience. Cerci has Ghost in the Shell and Akira flavor, Noh has an Inuyasha vibe, Corsairs are Big O and Bebop, Paladins have a Thundarian Ogre....etc. I also love the freshness of the gameplay (No random rolls, card flips, or range limits). And I am grateful for every stretch goal they provide us with. Not to mention they have posted beta components for people to try before they buy. If you don't like what you see at least be fair and wait until closer to release (next summer) to voice concerns.

Others have already answered why it's wiser to voice concern sooner rather than later, so I won't go over that.

More importantly, my personal intent with the previous post was to voice concerns I had with the current models in the hopes of prompting discussion to help assuage or affirm my concerns. I would say it was successful and thanks to DaveC, Construct, and others helpful contributions I now have a better idea what to expect out of Soda Pop Miniatures and their Kickstarter.

If my posts in anyway seem rude, inflammatory, or disrespectful that's not my intent. And I wouldn't be posting in the first place if I were not interested in SPM. To be clear: I think they do good, if inconsistent, work. I'm glad they're taking steps to remedy that.

I think today's mini "exodus" is an indicator that people are not that excited by the decided streachgoals, I do hope they get notice and remedy them fast.

Exodus?

Maybe not exodus... but instead of going up over the last 2 hours it has gone down.

That... doesn’t make any sense. People would withdraw money due to SDE characters?

That’d be like walking into McDonald’s, asking for a Big Mac meal, and then deciding that you didn’t want it when the server told you that you could also buy something else. In other words – no sense at all.

Been watching it going up and down all day. thought I was going a bit mad.

I doubt it is the SDE ones.
More likely the Boost Goals just didn't do it.

For Cerci and Doctrine I was really unimpressed.
For the others I thought they were good.

Maybe that had an influence.

Yeah... but that makes even less sense. That’s like going into a McDonald’s, ordering a Big Mac meal, and being told that you get an apple pie for free and cancelling your order because of it.

Maybe they haven't pulled out completely, but just downgraded their pledges. Especially if they were getting multiple factions and their respective goodies, then decided to just stick with a couple instead.

No... people were expecting SOMETHING for the Boost Ex2.
If they put in and then were disappointed, you can leave.

Not quite the same.
More like going into McDonald's, ordering a Big Mac and hoping to get a sundae... but instead they offer you fries. Both still better than nothing... but if you were hoping for some delicious chocolate goodness you might not go through.

Man... I am hungry all of a sudden...
OFF TO SUBWAY

The McDonalds Anology is not entirly correct.


If you want to get down to the brass tacks, they are withdrawing because the KS project is becoming a little less organized then CMON's two previous ones. Now if that is because of SDE, or Sodapop, I really don't know,but there is a mean streak running through the comments section of the KS that is really discomforting. Mean spirited is a... nice way to put it.

As to the "Going in and asking for a..." It's more like you go in, ask for a hamburger, they give you a chicken sandwich and tell you they are going to give you a Coke, for free. Then the guy behind you reaches over and tells you that your being cheated, then you go up and the chicken sandwich is a hamburger, and the fries are a week old.

Number 1. The KS project in its entirety is reaching, and the goals seem as if they are being haphazardly thrown out there, just to push for more money. This project doesn't even seem to have an overall goal, except to sell stuff.

Number 2. These minis are being touted out there, and then they are being withdrawn from the project, reintroduced as something else, and then after a few more days, there seem to be more of the same, with a new tag on them. That doesn't seem to be as what happened with SW, or even Zombicide when they came out. Its as if the lessons learned are being ignored.

Number 3. Reading over the comments on KS and the rabid responses, there is no favors being done by some of the more... shall we say, vocal, of that group. If anything, those same comments are making others rethink even getting into the game, if that is the fanbase, I will go on out there and throw it to you that between the KS know it alls, and the smart aZZ'z, average joe gamer that wanted in on a sweet deal, because of all the stuff your getting, or supposedly getting, is being driven off.

And then theres the Number 4.

Bad to slow discussion coming from the KS page in according to the project.

It is as if people have to beat information out of the organizers of the project to find out information from the reactions of how the project is going every few minutes. Myself? I am back on the fence over them. I have plenty of minis, and they are a good deal, but theres still a few issues that seem to be generally glaring there that have not been dealt with, and are leading me to rethink even paying this anymore attention.

With SW, you had McVey pretty much going along with the project coinciding with discussion on thier project blog. This one? You are seeing excuses, doubletalk, and indecision.

This is coming from a company that has done two other spectacularly successful projects. I know they might be skittish based on that Tentical Bendito action that happened, but that should not be an excuse not to keep the focus, communicate, and have a clear goal here.

 Grot 6 wrote:
It's more like you go in, ask for a hamburger, they give you a chicken sandwich and tell you they are going to give you a Coke, for free. Then the guy behind you reaches over and tells you that your being cheated, then you go up and the chicken sandwich is a hamburger, and the fries are a week old.

That's even more convaluted (and wrong) than my analogy.

I've read the KS. I've looked at the big picture. It makes perfect sense to me. The SDE stuff is 100% optional and not at all needed by anyone who doesn't want it, and the stretch goals are really close together, meaning it's not days and days and days between new boosts or whatever.

Agreed, communication is bad on this one.
More updates and better structure would help a lot... but still it's not doing badly (half a miliion is nothing to quibble at)


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On that note, $430 hit!!
really interested in the SDE stuff (upped my pledge to the 4 starter sets to make sure I get both of them as well)

$30k more to go before revealing the new stretch goals.

Oh. My. Gosh!!!
that artwork is WAY better than I thought it could be.
Thank you thank you thank you!!!

Skully rocket! LOL!

They should reveal the stretch goals beforehand. That way we know what we're building to.

ON the note of money getting withdrawn it lost $4.5k today as a result of 1 All Dolled Up at $1,500 pulling out (later resold) and 1 Tell My Story $3000 withdrew so big money gone but only 2 pledges (there may have been a few smaller ones but that explains to big money)

Gabe and Tycho have new artwork as well

they are doing the same as the bones one (only 1 reveal at a time)... I cannot fault them for using that as a guide.

Just hope that the next Page of boosts are extra models as well (and not just Buy for $10).

Admittedly, if they do all of the main characters as SDE (and Noh as a bad guy... I means really, they ain't no 8-bit heroes!!) I will be in for each of them

Don't like Doctrine of the Corsairs, but I want those to minis. FF9000 will become some sort of major boss in my Dark Heresy campaign!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah... but that makes even less sense. That’s like going into a McDonald’s, ordering a Big Mac meal, and being told that you get an apple pie for free and cancelling your order because of it.

Not everyone follows Kickstarters religiously on a daily basis like we tend to do here. I originally went in high and pulled my pledge out over a week layer when it wasn't looking like it was a worthwhile investment for me. People also go in with certain expectations (especially after Zombicide/SW) and may or may not pull out if they haven't been met at/by a certain time, or reallocate their money to other Kickstarters (Reaper, Dreamforge, whatever).

It's also amazingly easy to rort the stretch goals on these things with initial crazy-high pledges, and then pull them out later.

What's an example of a stretch goal being achieved and then pulled?

Ok after the email I got from them just now it says the Ex2 will be a second elite model.

So another 2 Lance/Shield guys, another tank, another Librarian, another daemon thingy with a gun, another Pace Bot, another breaching cannon.

That's my guess.

And you'd be right.

What Scipio.au was saying about boosts getting pulled was that sometimes people especially early in projects pledge a large sum say $2500 so as to make a stretch goal and then they pull that money out later on when it's not as important to the total - the boost doesn't get pulled just the money pledged to get there.

yeah, this does happen. Sad but true.

430+k achived BTW...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What's an example of a stretch goal being achieved and then pulled?

Huh? Are you replying to my post? I'm talking about people pulling their pledges after a certain number of stretch goals have come if they don't find the overall package to their liking.


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DaveC wrote:
And you'd be right.

What Scipio.au was saying about boosts getting pulled was that sometimes people especially early in projects pledge a large sum say $2500 so as to make a stretch goal and then they pull that money out later on when it's not as important to the total - the boost doesn't get pulled just the money pledged to get there.

yes, this exactly.




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 Makaleth wrote:
yeah, this does happen. Sad but true.

It's a side effect of these larger Kickstarters no longer being about the "goal", but about chasing stretch goals. Which in turns means the initial goal becomes a BS goal. The exception now being much smaller projects like Bruno's goblins or the Stuart's zombies or the Stonehaven dwarves. Campaigns like Tre's RBM and Mantic's KoW I believe started as truly about the goal, but since both went much much further and became "stretch-focused", subsequent campaigns from both will be "stretch-chaser" campaigns, as we're already seeing with DreadBall.

An off-topic question - anyone knows what happened to that Tentacle Bento game? SodaPop is surprisingly tight-lipped about that.