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 Grot 6 wrote:
Thats what happens when the pictures change, isn't it?

Sorry, this is one of those situations where you're going to have to show us what you mean. What picture? What model? Got an example of it anywhere?

I was the 10th person to reply to this thread, 6 hours after the thread went up. I don't remember this model. I remember that the Black Diamond set was:

1 Mech-Thingy
5 Trooper Guys
1 Tank Thing

And that's it. If there was more that was 'removed'... and 'toned down', as you believe, please show us.

Let me put it out there- Because I don't want to keep harping stuff over and over again. Bottom line, I'm leaving it at- This project could have been better, and might need to have a good review on what could be done better, next time.

Here are some good points, so I don't leave it with pee'ed on shoes.

We're at day 5 LEFT of the project, and they have the funding and stuff there to be had.

People overall seem to like the project, aside of the issues.

It's an interesting game, regardless of the issues, however small or large people think they are.

Its a good bit of minis, for even the small amount of effort given the project, you can at least begin with what this has to offer, and later on when they have more in general population get added stuff later on.

I'm going to go on out there an apologise if I seem overly harsh. It isn't my intent to pee on the parade.

Overall, I am still leaning to get these as they are a good deal, and the figures are not bad, its just that this project could have done better, and even if they had big shoes to fill, the game still looks fun, and the variety that is there is pretty good for the initial release.


And to leave it on a good note, I am stil a fan of the game, irregardless of my personal opinion. And it does not hurt that SDE is still a good deal of fun, and there will be expansions later on.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:
Thats what happens when the pictures change, isn't it?

Sorry, this is one of those situations where you're going to have to show us what you mean. What picture? What model? Got an example of it anywhere?

I was the 10th person to reply to this thread, 6 hours after the thread went up. I don't remember this model. I remember that the Black Diamond set was:

1 Mech-Thingy
5 Trooper Guys
1 Tank Thing

And that's it. If there was more that was 'removed'... and 'toned down', as you believe, please show us.

No. Forget it. I'm not playing tit for tat, anymore.

The issues are moot at this point to keep harping.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Yeah, I have no chips in on this one at all, but having stretch goals for a fantasy dungeoncrawler in the middle of a sci-fi wargame is a bit odd.

This applies to any company - I'd have having a major bout of "wtf" as well if Mantic suddenly had a bunch of "special characters for dwarf king's hold" stretch goals right at the end of a Warpath KS. :p

I don't see it as all that odd. They are a small company with 3 products and they have always done cross-overs between them.

If you weren't aware of that then this might have come as a shock/disappointment, but those of us who have been following them since Candy & Cola have just been waiting for it

Just to confirm the Suspect 7 picture appeared on the project homepage on day 1 I remember it being there and it was taken down shortly after as it was causing confusion among backers who assumed it was part of the Black Diamond set when it wasn't at that time. There where also other group pictures showing minis not included at the start the text listed the correct contents but obviously the first thing you look at is the pictures!

I must agree that this KS isn't nearly as well run as Zombicide or Sedition Wars and using Gencon or PAX is no excuse they knew these cons were on and were using them to promote the game so that should have been taken into account. I can sort of understand the late updates (most stretches have been achieved late night early morning) the $460k goal is done and no update yet but it's 9:30AM in Atlanta but at less than 5 days to go at this stage there should be someone on this 24/7


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and as typed that there appears to be some movement

$460k goal unlocked awaiting further update on next stretches

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:
The base Starter set, with the options of the "Casino cards", and several of the starters with several different modles that later were switched out in favor or more "Toned down" Models. One in particular was the ninjas, the other was the Zinenda and Spite models. These of particular and personal note were what I was discussing when I asked in the beginning if that super ninja with her azz hangjng out was part of the base set.

You mean these:



They were originally part of the starter set? 'Cause I don't remember them being there.

Those were never part of the starter set. They were called cyber ninjas or something and were not on the original starter box list. Neither were the Zinenda and Spite models. Pictures were there, but no mention of them being included. It was almost as if *gasp* they ...previewed..... stretch goals

 Grot 6 wrote:
... its just that this project could have done better...

I don't disagree with you at all, but your seemingly apoplectic rage is misguided, especially your unfounded talk about 'removing' things and 'toning down', and your attacks against the most recent from-the-horses-mouth update.

Time to return to civility and posts that are on topic and relevant.

Any snarky comments "hidden" within posts will be considered against the rules of this site.

Thanks!

DaveC wrote:

Forgive my ignorance but this picture means... what? That those minis have been added... or that each one is its own separate goal?

Those minis at EX2 have been added to the relevant starter faction.

SSP get 2 extra Paragons for 4 in total
CSC get 1 extra Pacebot for 2 in total
SNC get 1 extra Breaching cannon and crew for 2 in total
BD get 1 extra M8 Tank for 2 in total
Doc get 1 etxra Librarian for 2 in total
Noh get 1 extra Render for 2 in total

These are the EX2 boost minis. They've been added to their respective starters.

Ok good. I was worried that the EX2 would unlock the chance to unlock the extra minis over the course of 6 more (small) stretch goals. That would not be good.

$480k is SDE Sebastian Cross and Rook



$500k is Manga Relic Knights issue#0 free download or $5 printed



Neither of these are of much interest but the $500k picture does show there will be an EX2+ boost at some point.

460K now 480K goal is, again, disappointing.

the 460K now 500K goal is outright useless.

I guess this one isn't going to go much beyond 500K, if at all...

...and that will still be OK, and it will still be a good, fun game system to collect, especially at this price point!

EDIT:

And maybe CMON and Soda Pop think they're done too?

Onwards! The end is in sight!

If they want to stall the KS they're going the right way about it the comments so far have been underwhelming they need to at least put the EX2+ boost up to encourage further pldeges or that will be it or worse dropped pledges

 Dais wrote:
Grot, I was under the impression that those pictures were to show off the factions and the overall style and the sculpting they were capable of, not part of the starter. Neither Zineda nor Suspect 7 were ever in the listings for what you got in the initial starter set and the pictures were probably taken down because they caused confusion.

This is exactly correct. Originally we had more pictures of different models that were NEVER included in the starter sets, just so people could see more model pictures from the faction. Unfortunately it caused a great deal of confusion with people not certain what was in the starter. So we removed the pictures. It was that simple. There was no bait and switch.

@Orlando
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll certainly discuss it with the guys but at the moment it is not something we are planning.

 Alpharius wrote:
the 460K now 500K goal is outright useless.

To you. Please don't speak for everyone.

I personally can't wait for the SDE mini. And I personally don't give two gaks about the manga (don't read comics - western or otherwise).

Please remove.

Why don't you just stop trying to convalute the issue, those ninjas were pictured in the beginning of the KS project and touted as part of the faction being offered.

Except that they weren't.

You really need to step back Grot. You're going to blow a gasket over nothing.

Please remove.

Sooo...
On topic, does anyone have a comparative picture of the M-8 tank, next to the miniatures? I would like to see a relative size. As for the manga, I would rather a t-shirt instead, using Reiq art or something similar to the Tentacle Bento shirts.

Regards,
Carl

 Ghiest1 wrote:
Sooo...
On topic, does anyone have a comparative picture of the M-8 tank, next to the miniatures? I would like to see a relative size. As for the manga, I would rather a t-shirt instead, using Reiq art or something similar to the Tentacle Bento shirts.

Regards,
Carl

The tank only exists as a 3D render right now but it fits on a 50mm base so it is only a mini tank - think unmanned drone.

Well they are again underwhelming for myself too, I find SDE while nice eating slots that could be used for something useful for the game and the manga unimportant and a "waste of resources" that could have gone to the game too.

Personally I would be more excited by black dragons and Drake or anything game related as an update and not something unusable in the game.

And yes while I do not ahev to buy the SD mnis, that I do find nice, they are eating up achieve goals that could be game related, more troops, terrain gaming aids whatever, if they had to shove them in (and why not) why not put them as purchasable options withotu any streach goals needed and focus on the game.

And KS is supposedly focused on the game.

Now as far as communication goes, sorry but I would not score it as something more than bare minimum, 37 updates for 26 streachgoals (the latest 4 hours after the goal has been reached), and most of the 11 left related to confusion about how pledges and things related to them are supposed to work, CMON jumping to say one thing related to CKPM after 3 days and soda pop itself finally jumped in on the end of day 4 to speak.

Seriously the only good thing I read in this thread is that there will be consideration to have female Corp troops, something many including me have demanded/ asked for/ suggested from really early on.

 Grot 6 wrote:
H.B.M.C.- seriously, your not even being rational, now...

...You look bad, by the way...

Seriously.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh... I'm not quite sure, from your vantage, you are seeing this conversation in the same light as others...

Listen, the only truly sane commentary out of all of this, thus far, was made by HBMC earlier in the thread;

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
If you pledged because you liked what was already there, and then later decided to withdraw funds because you didn't like the additions, then your actions don't make sense because what you originally wanted is still there and hasn't changed.

I completely understand people wanting exactly what they want to appear as stretch goals, but being upset over the SDE is just... silly. It's not some mystery why they are included, nor some spiteful attempt to harsh the buzz of their backers, but an attempt to a) bring in more business, and b) satisfy the apparently large number of people backing this that do want SDE crossover. If you thought you were getting fair value for your pledge, then you were getting fair value.

On the other hand, this is all quite refreshing, reminds me of when I used to read the Warcraft forums, and the PvP players always complained when the PvE environment got some fixes, and vice versa. No one ever seemed to cotton to the idea that not every part of the game had to appeal to everyone for improvements to be good... good times, good times, gamers the same all over, heh.

DaveC wrote:The tank only exists as a 3D render right now but it fits on a 50mm base so it is only a mini tank - think unmanned drone.

DaveC is correct.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
the 460K now 500K goal is outright useless.

To you. Please don't speak for everyone.

I personally can't wait for the SDE mini. And I personally don't give two gaks about the manga (don't read comics - western or otherwise).

Obvious statement is obvious?

Do you really need to see an "In My Opinion" before a post from an individual when it is... clearly that individual's opinion?

I'm beginning to think you're just in this thread to troll now...

Since those silhouettes of future stretch goals are so annoying I decided I could help out here and took a photo of the side of my Sebastian Cross box to show the chibi SDE art.

Please remove.

DEATH TO THE AMISH!!!!!! OOPS wrong thread my bad . Anyways i think the ney sayers havr made their points....in some cases to many times over, so how about a little civility for the remaining few days. I will say this: if you are only pledging because you want something more then what you are getting then i find thay disappointing. You are missing out on a great product but as i aleays say "it's your money spend iy however you want to". With that i would say you big anti rk fans how about you stop stirring the pot hmm. Let us enjoy our ks and we well know your opinions at this point.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Hey, Buzzsaw-

Knock it off. I already said it was a Moot point.

Stop encouraging what has already been put down. I'm quite willing to let it ride, how about you try it for size?

Those issues are still there. they are part in parcel of the project now, regardless of your clever quips.

You bought them, so enjoy them.

Oh, I haven't bought into this KS, I was just trying to offer some friendly advice about how things look from the peanut gallery.

Were I trying to be tendentious, I would point out your use of moot point is almost exactly the opposite of its meaning.

But that would be silly.

Please remove.