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 Von Skyfury wrote:

 ironicsilence wrote:

 Von Skyfury wrote:
Arg...it's becoming insupportable...I'm really fighting to not considerably up my pledge... These troops are sooo nice...but I aready have a truckload of unnassembled models and 5 times as much models waiting for a paintjob...I'm really struggling to justify buying these awesome models.
Gotta hold on a couple more days...I don't think it will be possible...

best way to deal with your problem is to replace them with sexy models that will be a joy to paint! Also consider pledging for some sexy stuff that will ship to you in a few months (depending on what you get) you can use that as motivation to get stuff done since you will have more stuff on the way

I currently have enough models to last a couple years =P
And I've already got models from 2-3 other kickstarters coming in soon or not so soon =P

That's not helping me !

Get them now...save a few bucks...get them before all your friends can get them...be the envy of your entire gaming group....DO IT!

 ironicsilence wrote:

 Von Skyfury wrote:

 ironicsilence wrote:

 Von Skyfury wrote:
Arg...it's becoming insupportable...I'm really fighting to not considerably up my pledge... These troops are sooo nice...but I aready have a truckload of unnassembled models and 5 times as much models waiting for a paintjob...I'm really struggling to justify buying these awesome models.
Gotta hold on a couple more days...I don't think it will be possible...

best way to deal with your problem is to replace them with sexy models that will be a joy to paint! Also consider pledging for some sexy stuff that will ship to you in a few months (depending on what you get) you can use that as motivation to get stuff done since you will have more stuff on the way

I currently have enough models to last a couple years =P
And I've already got models from 2-3 other kickstarters coming in soon or not so soon =P

That's not helping me !

Get them now...save a few bucks...get them before all your friends can get them...be the envy of your entire gaming group....DO IT!

Yeah that's a bit of a problem... I'm the only one around that actively wants to play =P I played a couple times with some friends but they are not that interested =(

But yeah...ok...you got me =P

@Von Skyfury: PM me if you want a game. I don't have massive availability, being on call and all, but I can definitely try to provide you with a fix.

As long as you don't ask me to get into the West Island. I don't have a car.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
@Von Skyfury: PM me if you want a game. I don't have massive availability, being on call and all, but I can definitely try to provide you with a fix.

As long as you don't ask me to get into the West Island. I don't have a car.

Sounds good to me !

From what you wrote earlier, I think you are around Mont Royal right ? Let's continue this conversation to PM =)

Now now...Any size comparaison Heavy Infantry vs Standard floating around ?

I think the Heavy guys have never seen the light of day so far, so this would be a first ever.

Looking at it, if he were to add an APC and a MBT, the Eisenkern faction would be well-rounded starter. We could get cracking on other factions, then...

 Von Skyfury wrote:

I currently have enough models to last a couple years =P

Ive never let a backlog of unassembled/unpainted minis stop me from getting more.

 Mad4Minis wrote:

 Von Skyfury wrote:

I currently have enough models to last a couple years =P

Ive never let a backlog of unassembled/unpainted minis stop me from getting more.

Neither do I, otherwise I wouldn't have such a truckload =P
And it would have stopped me from upping my pledge

Go go awesome minis ! Hopefully they will blend with my Infinity stuff =)

Warning picture heavy

Here are the new stretch goals www.dreamforge-games.com/kickstart/

I'm very interested in those heavies. Hopefully they will be priced well less than say, a box of GW Terminators.

The heavies should be size equivalent to normal power armored Marines, not termies, though.

Alright, I've decided. If my bid doesn't go through on this Kar 98 package I'm trying to pick up for WW2 Reenacting then I'll be grabbing a pair of these bad boys, and a deuce of HEL and Nova Cannons.

You don't need guns for reenacting. Just get an eye patch and a briefcase and you can be Tom Cruise.

woot, tire replacement was less expensive then i'd expected, might be able to jump in on this for a crusader after all

That's the spirit boys!

It looks like we will hit the Mortis by the end of the week, so I will be adding one of these to my pledge tonight.

March is going to be pretty sweet. Spring break, just in time to receive awesome goodies from DFG. I actually feel totally at ease waiting for these.

Mark, if you have the time, am I right in assuming that the March date is somewhat soft, but that potential stocks for retailers for those kits would be available around the same time?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
That's the spirit boys!

It looks like we will hit the Mortis by the end of the week, so I will be adding one of these to my pledge tonight.

March is going to be pretty sweet. Spring break, just in time to receive awesome goodies from DFG. I actually feel totally at ease waiting for these.

Mark, if you have the time, am I right in assuming that the March date is somewhat soft, but that potential stocks for retailers for those kits would be available around the same time?

Hey Mathieu, I imagine it will be April or May before they hit the supply chain? Although WGF is quite used to shipping direct, we are creating a bit of a mess with all these orders hitting at the same time. They will need some time to let the dust settle, but that's just a guess.

Good to know. In time for summer and all that spare time students have.

So are these Heavy Troopers coming in a box of 20... or boxes of 5 sparated by weapon type (heavy weapon, close combat weapons, etc.)? Or is it both (boxes of 5 now, 20 later)?

Getting really hard to resist those stormtroopers. Good thing I literally have no money at the moment

Which really sucks, because I want to make some sisters of battle, and I think these stormtroopers would be perfect. They're sculpted really well for more "normal" proportions, which means they'll look "feminine" compared to GW minis. What's really killing me is that $40 would be enough for me to buy all the scrubs I would need for the sisters squads, and all I would need to buy later would be some APC's and the HQ's.

If only I had $40...

Also, what time would we expect to see the stormtroopers roughly after the kickstarter is over? Both the ones mailed to us and later on when they hit retail?

EDIT: Nevermind it says estimated delivery november. Not too bad, that's only a couple of months away.

MrMoustaffa: check your PMs.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So are these Heavy Troopers coming in a box of 20... or boxes of 5 sparated by weapon type (heavy weapon, close combat weapons, etc.)? Or is it both (boxes of 5 now, 20 later)?

That's a good question. Right now it looks like the earlier stretches are for the 5-man boxes (support weapons, close combat), and then the 20-man box with lots of options is the higher stretch, presumably because it will take more tooling for the extra pose options, etc.

A 20-man box of "not marines" would be pretty darn sweet! 10 would make it cheaper, but perhaps he'll be able to re-use some things from the 20-man stormtrooper accessory sprue or the like, making 20 a natural choice.

Either way, I Really hope we get there

Von Skyfury wrote:Now now...Any size comparaison Heavy Infantry vs Standard floating around ?

Unless Mark has changed the size from earlier in the year, they'll be the same height as the Stormtroopers, just bulkier (which makes sense from a realism standpoint). So if you're wanting them for 40K they're about right for artificer power armour but too small for termies unless you going to do as I plan to and run Kreigsmarines-Stormtroopers-Heavy Troopers as Scouts-Marines-Terminators. (With the appropriate magnetisations and such to convert between Space Marines and Eisenkern as much as possible. Should be do-able since if I, say, model a pile hammer on a Heavy's arm to better represent a power fist when it's a termie, it's easily ignored when it's a heavy since there's no such weapon option in the latter case. Similarly, with the Stormtroopers I only need to model the power weapons, not the chainswords, on assault marines and when they're stormtroopers it's just a bit of faction-appropriate ceremonial bling.)

NoseGoblin wrote:Actual shipping cost USPS priority mail $51.97 you are being charged $39.00 (you save about $12.00 off actual costs). I dont know what ells to say about that....

Regardless of you heavily subsidising the 28mm Leviathan and its shipping because it's your baby, people still respond badly to bait-and-switch, however reasonable.

H.B.M.C. wrote:That's the spirit.

Kids, the next time something doesn't go 100% to plan, especially when it's something that might not be in the total control of the guy running the event, just abandon everything and don't purchase it. Also make sure to tell everyone that you're not buying anything - as everyone is just dying to know how much you're not going to buy something over a minor detail like shipping - and give those toys a hefty big throw out of your pram while you're at it!

That's the spirit! I'm sure Mark isn't the least bit interesting in why someone would be choosing not to support this kickstarter!

Zweischneid wrote:Again, it's not a sales contract. There is no guarantee in any Kickstarter project that they deliver or that they deliver what was promised. It's funding, not purchase.

It damn well is a sales contract and is protected as such. Now, you may be confused by some kickstarters qualifying as donations, by clarifications that no kickstarter is an *investment* (and thus not subject to the extra protections granted investment contracts), or by the terms of service specifying that the contract is between the creator and the backer and not Kickstarter, but even if for argument's sake we throw existing law out the window and only go by what the binding Terms of Use say then, and I quote, "Project Creators are required to fulfill all rewards of their successful fundraising campaigns or refund any Backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill."

Krinsath wrote:I don't mind proofreading. I'm not a professional technical writer, but I do work for free.

As would I. I like pointing out flaws.

Vitruvian XVII wrote:Just noticed that on the 15mm weapons it shows that only the bottom 2 need notification of L or R. Which would mean the others make both, though he hasnt said that outright.

All the other weapons are ambidextrous. I can't understand why he didn't make the minor changes to the assault cannon necessary for it to be built with either a left or right feed belt so it could be ambidextrous as well. Or why the mauler claw doesn't come with both left and right hands - or at least palms - given that it's so much smaller than the other options.

Mathieu Raymond wrote:I'm thinking he had to put all 28mm arm sprues onto the same mould, and then could only afford it if enough money was raised, and thus was ported rather easily to 15mm.

The 28mm weapons would almost certainly be on individual sprues. If I had to guess based on the contents of the infantry sprues then the 15mm weapons would be sprued together with only a single pair of upper arms for the set.

Vitruvian XVII wrote:It does seem like a lot of new kits for such small stretches, i hope hes not over extending.

Unfortunately Mark's had to introduce stuff he'd been planning on holding back for a proper Iron Core kickstarter in the future in order to boost flagging support. Originally he said Kriegsmarines and Heavy Troopers were off the table, then they were added...but we wouldn't see them until $125k at the earliest, and now they've been adjusted down even further .

5deadly wrote:I'm not looking to collect an imperial guard army right now and the game seems way focused on Giant Titans.

Don't worry. The game itself won't be focused on the titans - indeed, you may never see one in any game you play - despite the impression this kickstarter is giving.

agnosto wrote:3) Look at the layout of your kickstarter page and compare it to the slick pages run by other organizations; you might be able to take something away, organizationally speaking, that will make it easier to navigate/read which may result in more backers.

Putting smaller pictures on the main page and linking to the updates wherein you post them in all their glory, for example.

I think Mark partnering up with Wargames Factory was brilliant as, barring any shipping/manufacturing snafus like they dealt with a year or so ago, he has instant access to industry affordable manufacturing capabilities.

Meanwhile, at WGF, Wai Kee Hui is quietly sitting back with a glass of cognac, a cigar, the latest Defiance images and a smug look on his face.



Good lord, and I haven't even replied to the earlier attacks yet. Imma need sum coffee.

Nice pic, Construct!

Just a note, I have a bunch of the claws for the 15mm resin ones, and while they are smaller than the vulcan cannon for instance, they're a lot more intricate. Every finger came as a separate piece, and I imagine that there would be even more separate parts for the full-size 28mm ones. From what I have, I think the cheapest part would actually be the sword arm, so it's cool that he's giving a 2nd sword option for free

Whelp F it. I was looking at getting a new firearm or TV in the next month or so but I suppose that gets to be postponed.

Now I stand up to
1 Leviathan Crusader
1 20 man stormtrooper box
1-4 15mm Leviathan Crusaders
1 Nova Cannon

and when (or god forbid "if") they make their stretchgoals
1-3 15mm Ripper Saws
1 15mm Nova cannon
1 5 man Heavy armor assault troopers squad
1 20 man Valkir squad

Days like this make me wish I hadn't left the army.

by the way not sure if it's been addressed yet but what kind of delay are we expecting between the soft dates when the items get to WGF warehouses and when they'll be available for retail online. Kinda wanna know if I just wanna wait and pay retail for my 15mm stuff.

Also what kind of price hike are we estimating between kickstarter and retail sales.

Mark has said he won't know what the retail pricing on stuff will be until after the KS when he can see how much debt his company is carrying

remember distributors will want a 40%+ discount when buying to sell on so I wouldn't be suprised to see a $150+ for the basic leviathans

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 scipio.au wrote:
I'll probably give the whole thing a miss at this rate and just buy a couple discounted at retail when I get the urge.

That's the spirit.
Kids, the next time something doesn't go 100% to plan, especially when it's something that might not be in the total control of the guy running the event, just abandon everything and don't purchase it. Also make sure to tell everyone that you're not buying anything - as everyone is just dying to know how much you're not going to buy something over a minor detail like shipping - and give those toys a hefty big throw out of your pram while you're at it!

You're right. Only positive cheerleading comments are allowed. Disappointment is not allowed, only the pledging and payment of large amounts of money. It's completely unreasonable for someone to decide not to pledge hundreds of their dollars based on something like a change in shipping, and even more unreasonable to express that disappointment or intent to not purchase something. if you change your mind about buying something, just do it quietly because if you don't, fanbois might try to bully or belittle you over the internet. Always be positive and happy. Just like HBMC in every thread involving Games Workshop and Citadel miniatures. Always positive, never snide, always constructive. A force to emulate!




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 NoseGoblin wrote:

Actual shipping cost USPS priority mail $51.97 you are being charged $39.00 (you save about $12.00 off actual costs). I dont know what ells to say about that....
Mixing and matching Mortis and Crusader is allowed. Pledge for two to four Leviathans and mix to year hearts content.

Thanks for the confirmation and explanation Mark. Much appreciated.

kind of put off by the "Lump everything in one campaign" approach, the fact he saw the need to put up a spreadsheet so people could calculate exactly how much they'd end up paying with all the stretch goals and multi-deals and different shipping costs kind of says it all about the oppressive complexity of the scheme. there's a reason most projects are for a single game or a single model, not an entire business.

That said, we're almost at 90k, and £60 for a Mortis, shipped is still a good deal...

Charax wrote:
kind of put off by the "Lump everything in one campaign" approach, the fact he saw the need to put up a spreadsheet so people could calculate exactly how much they'd end up paying with all the stretch goals and multi-deals and different shipping costs kind of says it all about the oppressive complexity of the scheme. there's a reason most projects are for a single game or a single model, not an entire business.

I won't say it's not complex, but it is only one faction for one game.

 AlexHolker wrote:

I won't say it's not complex, but it is only one faction for one game.

True...and how much of Dreamforge's output is not this one faction for one game?

That's why they need a Kickstarter

Halfway to the claw (ideal to replace the Crusader sword with, imo). And then 28mm Mauler

Someone just backed in the few minutes it took me to turn off my phone and turn on my PC

Charax wrote:
kind of put off by the "Lump everything in one campaign" approach, the fact he saw the need to put up a spreadsheet so people could calculate exactly how much they'd end up paying with all the stretch goals and multi-deals and different shipping costs kind of says it all about the oppressive complexity of the scheme. there's a reason most projects are for a single game or a single model, not an entire business.

That said, we're almost at 90k, and £60 for a Mortis, shipped is still a good deal...

Pretty sure at first this kickstarter was just for the crusaders, Mark didnt start throwing in the kitchen sink till people asked for it. I dont know the first thing about running a business or a kickstarter so cant really comment on if I think things would have turned out better if Mark did something like a kickstarter for the walkers and a seperate kickstarter for the infantry but what I do know is you really cant go wrong if your listening to the people that want to buy your stuff. I personally think its pretty awesome the way Mark has given us a peak behind the curtain so to speak on his game