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Haha I thought that, too

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I would be totally turned off by the idea of having so much gray plastic left in my army.

TBH eventually you don't notice it. It becomes 'the norm', so you don't see it that way.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I saw some eldar in there as well? It's a good thing airbrushes exist.

You mean these three photos. Not my army (at the time). Now that army's been broken up into about 5 pieces, and I have about 3k-ish of it.

Can someone link directly to the picture scale picture of the big walker next to a person. I found the facebook page, but not that particular pic.

Oh, and the troopers look awesome. I really don't like the larger bases but that's an easy fix.

 insaniak wrote:

I would be using different bases for them, though... These are going to suffer from the same problem as all those detailed resin bases out there: the flat bottom surface makes them a cow to stand on anything other than flat table.

I must be the only person in this hemisphere with a drill press and ten seconds of time to bore out the bottom of my resin bases.

 Grundz wrote:
I must be the only person in this hemisphere with a drill press and ten seconds of time to bore out the bottom of my resin bases.

2 things there... I'm not in the same hemisphere as you
And the fact that you can alter them to be better doesn't change the fact that the way they come has issues. Personally, I would find it easier to just make my own scenic bases on standard plastics rather than paying all that money for resins and having to bore out the bottoms.

And for the actual topic at hand, looking at how thin these bases are, boring out the bottom doesn't really look like a practical option.

 insaniak wrote:

2 things there... I'm not in the same hemisphere as you
And the fact that you can alter them to be better doesn't change the fact that the way they come has issues. Personally, I would find it easier to just make my own scenic bases on standard plastics rather than paying all that money for resins and having to bore out the bottoms.

Yeah, life is rather hard when the world doesn't cater to your every whim.

 insaniak wrote:

 Grundz wrote:
I must be the only person in this hemisphere with a drill press and ten seconds of time to bore out the bottom of my resin bases.

2 things there... I'm not in the same hemisphere as you
And the fact that you can alter them to be better doesn't change the fact that the way they come has issues. Personally, I would find it easier to just make my own scenic bases on standard plastics rather than paying all that money for resins and having to bore out the bottoms.

And for the actual topic at hand, looking at how thin these bases are, boring out the bottom doesn't really look like a practical option.

You are correct, thats why they do not have a dished bottom, the thickness is about 2mm thick where the mini slots, simply not enough space to provide a hollow area large enough to make any difference. This was a side effect of making a thinner base so the figures could keep their bulk but still keep human proportions while looking correct next to a wider verity (read heroic scale) of miniatures

Thank you for all the feedback everyone! I am Sooooooo happy you like the way they turned out.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I I can't wait to try these out in a proper Iron Core game. Speaking of which, anyone know when the design board is supposed to open up?


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Hey Mathieu, I am still elbow deep in work to complete all the Kickstarter models for production and the mountain of box artwork. I will not be able to get to this until we have completed my #1 priority of getting all of you your KS rewards.... I thought about setting something up now but I want to be able to dedicate some time and interact with everyone, so I decided it may be better to wait until I can give it more time and attention.

Cheers,
Mark

Mark, I think you are on the right track, stay the course.

agreed, its kind of nice to see someone focusing on getting his current kickstarter out the door before moving onto the next thing...anyone that wants to discuss the game can come hang out in this thread with us!

Yes, Mark we really appreciate your staying dedicated to getting all the Kickstarter models out (and getting your models up for sale separately, too!). I think having work on the rules follow on after when you can devote more time to it (and folks have models to try it out with!) is the way to go, as you say.


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Eilif wrote:
Can someone link directly to the picture scale picture of the big walker next to a person. I found the facebook page, but not that particular pic.

Oh, and the troopers look awesome. I really don't like the larger bases but that's an easy fix.

Egad... that really IS large! (Meaning the outer diameter) That can't only be 30mm, can it?

I'll probably get some more proxie models bases to use for these... since I want them to be usable for 40K, too.

Mark, is it just that they would not fit on a 25mm diameter base?

I wasn't trying to be pushy, I was just trying to see if there is genuine interest in fleshing out that system.

Because I tell you right now, I need someone to help me understand the different infantry formations. Mark, you can keep on doing your awesome work!

Am I right in assuming that scenery is either going to be sparce, or a lack of template weapons will allow us to keep our minis rather bunched up to ease movement?

 RiTides wrote:
Yes, Mark we really appreciate your staying dedicated to getting all the Kickstarter models out (and getting your models up for sale separately, too!). I think having work on the rules follow on after when you can devote more time to it (and folks have models to try it out with!) is the way to go, as you say.


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Eilif wrote:
Can someone link directly to the picture scale picture of the big walker next to a person. I found the facebook page, but not that particular pic.

Oh, and the troopers look awesome. I really don't like the larger bases but that's an easy fix.

Egad... that really IS large! (Meaning the outer diameter) That can't only be 30mm, can it?

I'll probably get some more proxie models bases to use for these... since I want them to be usable for 40K, too.

Mark, is it just that they would not fit on a 25mm diameter base?

Looking at this comparison shot;


The stormtrooper I would say will clearly fit on a GW sized base, but because of the added height, he'd be a few millimeters taller then a marine.

Right, which is great for me and I don't mind the model being a hair taller than a marine.

 Grundz wrote:
Yeah, life is rather hard when the world doesn't cater to your every whim.

The what to the who now?

I wasn't complaining about it being 'hard'. I was mentioning that the design of the bases isn't ideal. Hyperbole can be left at the door... I'm not likely to lose sleep over the whole thing.

Yeah, the downside is that with that large diameter (which probably helps offset the fact that they're flat on the bottom) a lot of people probably won't use the bases. But, with a smaller diameter they would've needed to not be flat on the bottom, and thus taller.

I think he took a good stab at it, and maybe I'll change my mind when I see them... but I'll likely want 40K legal bases, so 25mm diameter.

 ironicsilence wrote:
agreed, its kind of nice to see someone focusing on getting his current kickstarter out the door before moving onto the next thing...anyone that wants to discuss the game can come hang out in this thread with us!

Agreed. Absolute credit to you for this.


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 RiTides wrote:
Right, which is great for me and I don't mind the model being a hair taller than a marine.

Yep. As long as they're not Dystopian Legions-level out of scale, I'll be happy with them on GW bases. Or Proxie Models ones.

Those pics look really impressive, they've done an excellent job with the tooling work. I'm quite blown away by this and wishing I'd been able to toss in on the KS. Having Zombicide & Sedition Wars so close together totally nuked my gaming budget for a while.

Eilif wrote:Can someone link directly to the picture scale picture of the big walker next to a person. I found the facebook page, but not that particular pic.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/76248519/15mm%20Leviathan%20Crusader.png
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/76248519/15mm%20Leviathan%20Crusader%202.png

RiTides wrote:Yeah, the downside is that with that large diameter (which probably helps offset the fact that they're flat on the bottom) a lot of people probably won't use the bases. But, with a smaller diameter they would've needed to not be flat on the bottom, and thus taller.

I think he took a good stab at it, and maybe I'll change my mind when I see them... but I'll likely want 40K legal bases, so 25mm diameter.

I'm thinking likewise. Easier to add a ring/circle to bump 'em up 5mm (or 15mm and a shield drone for makin' termies) or just leave them spaced out a bit, and less likely to have issues with using non-standard base sizes in an Iron Core game than in a WH40K one. Plus the Stormtroopers are kinda swimmin' around on the 30s. I would like to use 25s in that style though since it's smexy and I don't care about stability, mental or otherwise. I'm guessing (hoping) the bases-intermixed-with-the-figures is just a convenience for production and handling – from Mark's comments the physical tooling costs sound likely to be low enough* to justify this and anyway, unless the sprue bushing can be moved slightly off-centre, which may not be possible on those machines (but what do I know; injection moulding isn't my field of engineering) the sprue couldn't be divided into a half-spue of figures and a half-sprue of bases anyway (the layout's actually pretty good, empty spaces notwithstanding, but certainly, like everything else, a step-up from WGFs previous work in that regard *cough* missing tantos *cough*), but I ramble and digress – and that they'll be available seperately.

RiTides wrote:Mark, is it just that they would not fit on a 25mm diameter base?

I did this a while back to see how 25mm bases would work. You wouldn't be able to use the foot-peg with the kneeling (Stormtroopers) or assaulting (Heavy Troopers) poses – quelle horreur! – but otherwise they look like they'd fit fine. SMs hang a bit off the edge of a 25mm anyway:



*Which reminds me: everyone still have a fancy for plastic shipping containers à la AT-43? Mould design should be dead simple for those, so if the tooling costs really are low enough...

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Mark, I was going to wait until after the first wave had shipped to raise this but with the delays I may as well do it now: what's the best way to contact you guys regarding shipping/invoicing instructions? There was no 'write random stuff here' field in the pledge manager – and no 'add $15 so you can split across multiple packages to slip under the de minimus for customs fees without having to create a separate order and lose any multiple-unit discounts' either, come to think of it – and I could be looking at a couple of hundred dollars in customs fees depending on where the NZD-USD exchange rate is when the packages arrive if they're just sent with an invoice in USD rather than in NZD at the then-current exchange rate of 0.81 so, you know, litle anxious here.

If you don't like the bases that come with them and feel that GW bases would be too thick, Wargames Factory sells 2mm thick, 25mm diameter bases cheap, cheap, cheap - http://wargamesfactory.com/webstore/individual-sprues-and-bases/25-mm-round-bases.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I wasn't trying to be pushy, I was just trying to see if there is genuine interest in fleshing out that system.

Because I tell you right now, I need someone to help me understand the different infantry formations. Mark, you can keep on doing your awesome work!

Am I right in assuming that scenery is either going to be sparse, or a lack of template weapons will allow us to keep our minis rather bunched up to ease movement?

No need to apologize - I too was hoping for more info on the proposed game system!

I'm more than ready to find something else other than 40K, especially with the disappointment that is 6th edition.

Of course, it is going to be a while until we have enough faction variety to make it truly interesting...

That comparison shot between the Stormtrooper and Space Marine... man. I feel like I've wasted the money that I've put into GW products. It's not like I didn't realize there were better sculpts out there, but for whatever reason that shot just really made GW look mediocre.

 Gitkikka wrote:
If you don't like the bases that come with them and feel that GW bases would be too thick, Wargames Factory sells 2mm thick, 25mm diameter bases cheap, cheap, cheap - http://wargamesfactory.com/webstore/individual-sprues-and-bases/25-mm-round-bases.

Or Renedra
http://renedra.co.uk/webstore.html#

 Lansirill wrote:
That comparison shot between the Stormtrooper and Space Marine... man. I feel like I've wasted the money that I've put into GW products. It's not like I didn't realize there were better sculpts out there, but for whatever reason that shot just really made GW look mediocre.

Amazing isnt it?

Not only is Dreamforge making a plastic titan scale robot/mech/walker, something that GW wont, despite constant customer begging...but they are also releasing plastic troopers that put GW minis to shame.

Even better...this is all just the start, there is so much more in the Dreamforge world waiting to be done.

I seriously think this will be the dawn of a new age of mini wargaming. Behold the future!

 Alpharius wrote:

I'm more than ready to find something else other than 40K, especially with the disappointment that is 6th edition.

Of course, you can still play any previous edition if you can convince your friends to as well.

 scipio.au wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

I'm more than ready to find something else other than 40K, especially with the disappointment that is 6th edition.

Of course, you can still play any previous edition if you can convince your friends to as well.

You and I both know that particular argument doesn't really hold much water.

If you're looking to maximize your player pool potential (!) you kind of have to go with the most current edition.

Of course, if you have a great group of like minded friends, that's another matter!

 Commander Cain wrote:
I seriously think this will be the dawn of a new age of mini wargaming. Behold the future!

I didn't want to say it for fear of sounding like a frothing fanboy and/or jinxing it, but I do sincerely hope this to be the case.

Maybe, just maybe, this will cause GW to up its game.

 Construct wrote:

*Which reminds me: everyone still have a fancy for plastic shipping containers à la AT-43? Mould design should be dead simple for those, so if the tooling costs really are low enough...

Yes, a thousand times yes! I need some for Infinity and would love to have some for Iron Core when it comes out.
I'd love to put together a dockfront/spaceport warehouse area with piles of shipping containers and large crane gantries to block LOS and provide sniping towers.

 Gitkikka wrote:
If you don't like the bases that come with them and feel that GW bases would be too thick, Wargames Factory sells 2mm thick, 25mm diameter bases cheap, cheap, cheap - http://wargamesfactory.com/webstore/individual-sprues-and-bases/25-mm-round-bases.

Those have exactly the same problem as the DF bases...