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 Breotan wrote:
Can anyone verify if Champ Industries is still in business or not? I tried contacting them a couple of months back but wasn't able to get any replies.

Yes still in business and I reply to all emails. However, sometimes emails get sent to the junk box and I do not see them. My appologies if I missed yours.

Glad to see you out here responding. Hope you've seen the demand for your bases, I would be interested in alternate bases for my storm troopers when I get them, maybe you can work with mark on his ideas.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
If anyone is aware of Singh vs. BCA, it's never really the strength of the leg you have to stand on that matters, but how much money you have to throw at legal fees that is usually the determining factor in british court cases.

Fortunately, none of the above mentionned are even close enough to exclusively under GW's wing, and there is a game being developped, so here's to hoping! Or hopping, however you want to do it.


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Welcome aboard, Champ91! Did my email prompt your presence here?

Yes Mathieu. I sent you an email back stating I would hop over.

I usually am just a troll over here looking at the painting and conversion stuff

lol member since 2009 and only 3 posts all today.

Champ91 wrote:

 Commander Cain wrote:
Plastic industrial bases? Wow! And at $0.30 each it looks like a great deal. Shame he only sells a couple of designs, especially since he has been in business since 2003!

Yeah lack of income to do more styles. These are injection molded and the mold is expensive. I have been toying around with setting up a Kickstarter to go after more styles and the larger bases.

That sounds like a good idea - I think that Kickstarter would do well!

Champ91 wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Can anyone verify if Champ Industries is still in business or not? I tried contacting them a couple of months back but wasn't able to get any replies.

Yes still in business and I reply to all emails. However, sometimes emails get sent to the junk box and I do not see them. My appologies if I missed yours.

Just wanted to add that I ordered a batch of both sets of bases from Champ Industries a few months ago. They arrived quickly and are quite nice.
I haven't taken any pics, but they arrived as pictured from the website.



It is true that there are only four models in each set but through rotation and painting you can make the appearance of variation. Also, there are a few quick and simple modifications you can do to change them up a bit.
1) a bit of plaster over bullet holes or other detail
2) cutting off sections of i-beam railing, rivets, or the rock bit
3) gluing on additional detail.
All of which are far quicker than making your own bases.

I've used them to base up a batch of modern police figures and am pleased enough that I will probably be buying more. Really one of the best deals in basing.

Aside from making 40k style bases, have you given any thought to making plastic "inserts" for the round-lipped bases used in Malifaux and Warmachine? Or even complete bases if inserts aren't practical?

Well, if 40K style bases are hardly profitable I don't think PP style bases really would stand a chance, sadly.
A KS style project would do quite well probably - biggest problem is probably getting folks to pledge a substantial amount, with those prices.

I'd be in for 100 25mm, 50 40mm and a few 60mm, if available - but you're right, it would be tough to really get that kind of KS up there...

On the other hand, how much would tooling for a couple of bases cost - Surely that's not the most complex kind of mold imaginable? Maybe if Champ91 could enlighten us here as to the costs...

Or maybe the kind of setp-up that Proxymodels uses.

But regardless, I think Champ's bases would be fine by me, much better than having to cut and shape plasticard for 100+ bases (like I did for my SM company).

Look for an order from me early in the new year.

Plastic bases likely cost as much as plastic models to produce. I'd expect around $8000 - $12000 US just to cut the molds. That's a lot of bases that need selling just to break even.

 Breotan wrote:
Plastic bases likely cost as much as plastic models to produce. I'd expect around $8000 - $12000 US just to cut the molds. That's a lot of bases that need selling just to break even.

Not too far off. But I was smart in my design and the mold uses interchangable inserts for the design on the top. So I do not need to make a new mold for new 28mm bases. I do need a new mold for the 40mm and 60mm. And there is the cost.

I am meeting with the mold maker on Thursday to see about ironing out costs and feasability to do this.

Oh and sorry about the thread jack.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

GW fllys pretty freely with those charges though. I would be surprised if they did, as I can't see any grounds......but not terribly so.

Yes I do also think charperhouse was more or less pushing the envelope a bit, but I've also heard of some pretty out there GW claims before. Especially considering the amount of pilfering that GW has done themselves.

Kerberos have gas masks but i've never really noticed the frown, I don't think it's the same. I mean, I guess it's there, maybe I've been distracted by the glowing eyes, but the stormtroopers are really similar. Either way I'm sure they are safe.

/agree on GW's claims. As for the Kerberos stuff, there's been quite a few different gas mask variations over the years. I've got a 1/6 scale figure that pretty blatantly has the "frown", though as I'm moving in a week all my crap is packed away, and it'll take me probably months to find them. I can't remember which of the many figures it was either as quite a few manufacturers have made them over the years...


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Champ91 wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Plastic bases likely cost as much as plastic models to produce. I'd expect around $8000 - $12000 US just to cut the molds. That's a lot of bases that need selling just to break even.

Not too far off. But I was smart in my design and the mold uses interchangable inserts for the design on the top. So I do not need to make a new mold for new 28mm bases. I do need a new mold for the 40mm and 60mm. And there is the cost.

I am meeting with the mold maker on Thursday to see about ironing out costs and feasability to do this.

Oh and sorry about the thread jack.

Hm. Since you're still active, I'll have to put in an order for some of those bases. Probably right after Christmas is over.

 Breotan wrote:
Aside from making 40k style bases, have you given any thought to making plastic "inserts" for the round-lipped bases used in Malifaux and Warmachine?

I suggested making these once on the Defiance Games website, so it would be great if Dreamforge or Champ picked up the idea. The useful thing about them is that a Warmachine base insert and the top of a slottabase are the same size, so you could sell them for use with 30mm Warmachine bases, 25mm 40k bases or as standalone 23mm flat bases.

Ahh if only I didn't have bases for most of my army already! Not to mention I need Terminator bases for my assault troopers. I really do need to figure out basing at some point. It's a much less complex process then mass painting several armies so I think I'll leave it till I'm completely done with my Sisters and Space Marines. Perhaps a winter industrial theme.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Aside from making 40k style bases, have you given any thought to making plastic "inserts" for the round-lipped bases used in Malifaux and Warmachine?

I suggested making these once on the Defiance Games website, so it would be great if Dreamforge or Champ picked up the idea. The useful thing about them is that a Warmachine base insert and the top of a slottabase are the same size, so you could sell them for use with 30mm Warmachine bases, 25mm 40k bases or as standalone 23mm flat bases.

I did exactly that for my Cryx army. I took my bases clipped off the lip and trimmed to fit in the Warmachine base. Decided it was a PITA do do it and looked at making inserts. But thats as far as that went.

As far as base inserts, the best way to go might be if someone used the Hirst Arts method and came up with a mold that they could then just use to create as many of their own base inserts as they want. Sure there would still be people who wouldn't want the hassle, but if you needed 100+ base inserts and could make your own with a $30 mold then that might be a good way to get it done.

 bbb wrote:
As far as base inserts, the best way to go might be if someone used the Hirst Arts method and came up with a mold that they could then just use to create as many of their own base inserts as they want. Sure there would still be people who wouldn't want the hassle, but if you needed 100+ base inserts and could make your own with a $30 mold then that might be a good way to get it done.

Wouldn't base inserts be too thin to cast in plaster?

I really don't know, but I'd think if you were using one of the harder casting plasters that might work.

Champ91 wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Plastic bases likely cost as much as plastic models to produce. I'd expect around $8000 - $12000 US just to cut the molds. That's a lot of bases that need selling just to break even.

Not too far off. But I was smart in my design and the mold uses interchangable inserts for the design on the top. So I do not need to make a new mold for new 28mm bases. I do need a new mold for the 40mm and 60mm. And there is the cost.

I am meeting with the mold maker on Thursday to see about ironing out costs and feasability to do this.

Oh and sorry about the thread jack.

I think you should start another thread over Champ Industries, common courtesy to DFG fans and more exposure to non-DFG fans alike seem pretty strong reasons why. :-)

^Agreed. I was just waiting for someone else to voice it though!

Hopefully not too much longer for our first shipment. It's certainly less time to go than we've waited so far.

Not that I'm counting days or anything...

I'm counting days. But I'm much more looking forward to the 4.5" leviathans. Blue Christmas.

But at least this will pick us up from the post-Christmas blues.

I'm counting the days, too. I wonder how Mark is doing on the sculpts for the remaining models?


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Oooo, update! Picture of the revised accessory sprue contents.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dreamforge-games/something-wicked-this-way-comes-crusader-plastic-m/posts/363404?ref=email&show_token=a015ac08282025f8

I was very impressed with the multitudes of stuff they managed to cram on! GW take notes

Well, sweet... 20 heads per sprue, I had no need to worry about not having enough heads after all

I wonder how compatable the head sizes will be with other figure ranges. GW, Bolt Action etc. Even Space Marines with a mix of DF Helmeted and Forage cap heads could look good. Just a shame it's too late to add some troopers to my order, but the choice was between troopers or more giant mechs, so....

Hopefully WGF get some better UK distribution. Neither Fireforge Nor Trolltrader seem to stock their stuff at present. I used to get my WGF toys from Maelstrom...

I am really kicking myself for not picking up a couple boxes of storm troopers...

Me too. The crazy part of it is that I had the cash but wasn't 100% sold. And now they just keep getting better and better. Hopefully retail on them won't be to bad.

it's funny, I was so focused on the rifle troops that I forgot that Ada and the Feral handler are also in the first wave. I haven't noticed anything regarding these since Update #73 on Nov. 9, I wonder if that may be what is contributing to the delay.

The preview of the handler leads me to imagine it's a rather complex model (since it is, after all, 2 highly detailed models chained together!), I wonder how that is going...

Ada also, of course, but she doesn't have quite so many intricate details.