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 Viersche wrote:
Guilliman for me, i read that the pre-heresy ultramarines do theoreticals for each battle so that they're never caught unprepared, having a battle plan for whichever way a battle goes. Except ironically in the case of the word bearers attacking them, they never did any theoreticals against fighting fellow space marines since it was considered borderline heresy...

Some more really silly plot contrivances, lol.

Sometimes I wish the HH books just told action stories rather than war stories. Every time one of those guys tries too hard to explain something, it ends up being silly.

Best Tactician was Magnus the back broken, he's move on Prospero -" I will not fight - I will fight " (then losing) and his backup tactic - I will sell my arse to the highest bidder was the best move EVER...
And btw only real shock troops were RG - rest of them had that element of suprise YES but not so good as RG guerilla tactic...so now my vote goes to Corax (remember Istvaan,he was the only one who did any damage to the traitors)

Prince Yriel is the greatest Primarch tactician.

BlaxicanX wrote:
Prince Yriel is the greatest Primarch tactician.

What's with you and that guy?

He's my surrogate father.

BlaxicanX wrote:
He's my surrogate father.

Then ok my royal friend.

 LORD_PANTERA wrote:
I had cast in my vote for Jaghatai Khan because of this:

Facing a breach and potential collapse of the Imperial defences, Jaghatai Khan decided on a change of plan. Rather than assaulting the almost-invincible flanks of the Chaotic army, Khan redirected his highly mobile White Scars Space Marines and the surviving Loyalist Tank Divisions of the Imperial Army to Lion's Gate Spaceport. At dawn Jaghatai's lightning raid caught the Traitor garrison at the spaceport completely by surprise, and reclaimed the spaceport for the Imperium. The Khan ordered his troops to reactivate the spaceport's defence lasers to prevent the Traitor fleet from bringing down any more troops and equipment and form a defensive perimeter to hold their newly reconquered territory. Khan's troops repelled several frenzied counter-attacks from the Traitors, and began firing on Horus' unprotected drop ships. The Khan's plan worked perfectly: the flow of the Traitors' men and machines to the Imperial Palace had been cut in half at a single stroke. Inspired by this success, the Loyalists also tried to seize back the Eternity Wall Spaceport, but were driven back by the Chaos forces without difficulty, as they had reinforced their garrison following the loss of the Lion's Gate.

Source: warhammer 40k wiki

Finally, someone who agrees! White scars get no love...

W00t! 100 post!

Best Tactician was Magnus the back broken, he's move on Prospero -" I will not fight - I will fight " (then losing) and his backup tactic - I will sell my arse to the highest bidder was the best move EVER...
And btw only real shock troops were RG - rest of them had that element of suprise YES but not so good as RG guerilla tactic...so now my vote goes to Corax (remember Istvaan,he was the only one who did any damage to the traitors)

Lol? 100 murloc terminators pushed back 3 legions. They also had the upper hand.

 Frecklesonfire wrote:

Best Tactician was Magnus the back broken, he's move on Prospero -" I will not fight - I will fight " (then losing) and his backup tactic - I will sell my arse to the highest bidder was the best move EVER...
And btw only real shock troops were RG - rest of them had that element of suprise YES but not so good as RG guerilla tactic...so now my vote goes to Corax (remember Istvaan,he was the only one who did any damage to the traitors)

Lol? 100 murloc terminators pushed back 3 legions. They also had the upper hand.

I believe you mean Morlock. This is a murloc.

 Coolyo294 wrote:

 Frecklesonfire wrote:

Best Tactician was Magnus the back broken, he's move on Prospero -" I will not fight - I will fight " (then losing) and his backup tactic - I will sell my arse to the highest bidder was the best move EVER...
And btw only real shock troops were RG - rest of them had that element of suprise YES but not so good as RG guerilla tactic...so now my vote goes to Corax (remember Istvaan,he was the only one who did any damage to the traitors)

Lol? 100 murloc terminators pushed back 3 legions. They also had the upper hand.

I believe you mean Morlock. This is a murloc.

nope, he had it right the first time

 Frecklesonfire wrote:

Best Tactician was Magnus the back broken, he's move on Prospero -" I will not fight - I will fight " (then losing) and his backup tactic - I will sell my arse to the highest bidder was the best move EVER...
And btw only real shock troops were RG - rest of them had that element of suprise YES but not so good as RG guerilla tactic...so now my vote goes to Corax (remember Istvaan,he was the only one who did any damage to the traitors)

Lol? 100 murloc terminators pushed back 3 legions. They also had the upper hand.

Weren't they slaughtered by the Phoenix guard IIRC ?

 DarthMarko wrote:

 Frecklesonfire wrote:

Best Tactician was Magnus the back broken, he's move on Prospero -" I will not fight - I will fight " (then losing) and his backup tactic - I will sell my arse to the highest bidder was the best move EVER...
And btw only real shock troops were RG - rest of them had that element of suprise YES but not so good as RG guerilla tactic...so now my vote goes to Corax (remember Istvaan,he was the only one who did any damage to the traitors)

Lol? 100 murloc terminators pushed back 3 legions. They also had the upper hand.

Weren't they slaughtered by the Phoenix guard IIRC ?

I think so too. It was one of those, Chaos Marines feth everyone up and than Loyal terminators get in the way and feth the Chaos Marines up, than Chaos Elites (Phoenix Guard) step in and flip it around again

 Galdos wrote:

 DarthMarko wrote:

 Frecklesonfire wrote:

Best Tactician was Magnus the back broken, he's move on Prospero -" I will not fight - I will fight " (then losing) and his backup tactic - I will sell my arse to the highest bidder was the best move EVER...
And btw only real shock troops were RG - rest of them had that element of suprise YES but not so good as RG guerilla tactic...so now my vote goes to Corax (remember Istvaan,he was the only one who did any damage to the traitors)

Lol? 100 murloc terminators pushed back 3 legions. They also had the upper hand.

Weren't they slaughtered by the Phoenix guard IIRC ?

I think so too. It was one of those, Chaos Marines feth everyone up and than Loyal terminators get in the way and feth the Chaos Marines up, than Chaos Elites (Phoenix Guard) step in and flip it around again

Pheonix Guard vs Morlocks was like steamroller vs kitten. Extremely similar to Ferrus vs Fulgrim


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BlaxicanX wrote:
Prince Yriel is the greatest Primarch tactician.

Nope Sliscus

You haven't read the book in a long time, the only time Fulgrims phoenix guard accomplish anything is when Fulgrim leaves the iron hand ship after beating Manus in the face, as he walks out Fulgrim gives the sign to his guard, all standing beside the murlocs they all instantaneously lop off they're heads. They weren't expecting betrayal... it was like a wtf moment.. On Istvan 5 the Murlocs get beat back eventually yes, being outnumbered by 3 legions doesn't help. The iron hands do not get raped as you people seem to reckon.

 TheAngrySquig wrote:

Pheonix Guard vs Morlocks was like steamroller vs kitten. Extremely similar to Ferrus vs Fulgrim

Your memory fails you.

Alpharius Omegon hands down. Why is that you ask? Well...

Schooled an entire strike force of Luna Wolves ships with a rag tag band of pirates. Managed to get onto Horus' ship and into his face before the two had a lol. Before he had a Legion and Power Armor.

Decided to troll Rowboat by delaying an invasion of a non compliant world; allowing the planet time to heavily reinforce. Then through use of Imperial citizens and SUPERIOR TACTICS proceeded to take the planet with the loss of less than thirty Marines. Girlyman got so butthurt by this schooling he threw a little tantrum. The twins had a lol and buggered off.

Rowboat tried to fight Alpharius once. He even killed some guy in blue green armor and got all excited, tweeting to his followers "ERMAGARD TOTALLY KILLED ALPHARIUS #TACTICS!!!!". Then Alpha Legion proceeded to kick the living crap out of the Smurfs and boot em off planet. Back at headquarters, Alpharius said to Omegon "And you said that decoy stuff doesnt work. Suck it bro." And they lold off into the sunset.

Also have the prestige of being the last remaining Primarchs not turned into a raging slimy hate idiot daemon. Or dead in a jar. Or floating around the Warp. Or having had half your legion turn on you, and then your best buddy (who never got a geneseed and is merely an above average human) kick your demigod ass into the next millenium so bad they gotta freeze you til somebody figures out how to staple the mess back together. Not to mention being blessed with a name worthy of a trailer park denzien.





That is.....if the Alpha Legion actually existed. Which they dont.

 TheAngrySquig wrote:
Pheonix Guard vs Morlocks was like steamroller vs kitten. Extremely similar to Ferrus vs Fulgrim

That isn't how it happened.

Who was the steamroller in the Ferrus vs. Fulgrim fight btw?

Alpharius Omegon hands down. Why is that you ask? Well...

Schooled an entire strike force of Luna Wolves ships with a rag tag band of pirates. Managed to get onto Horus' ship and into his face before the two had a lol. Before he had a Legion and Power Armor.

Decided to troll Rowboat by delaying an invasion of a non compliant world; allowing the planet time to heavily reinforce. Then through use of Imperial citizens and SUPERIOR TACTICS proceeded to take the planet with the loss of less than thirty Marines. Girlyman got so butthurt by this schooling he threw a little tantrum. The twins had a lol and buggered off.

Rowboat tried to fight Alpharius once. He even killed some guy in blue green armor and got all excited, tweeting to his followers "ERMAGARD TOTALLY KILLED ALPHARIUS #TACTICS!!!!". Then Alpha Legion proceeded to kick the living crap out of the Smurfs and boot em off planet. Back at headquarters, Alpharius said to Omegon "And you said that decoy stuff doesnt work. Suck it bro." And they lold off into the sunset.

Also have the prestige of being the last remaining Primarchs not turned into a raging slimy hate idiot daemon. Or dead in a jar. Or floating around the Warp. Or having had half your legion turn on you, and then your best buddy (who never got a geneseed and is merely an above average human) kick your demigod ass into the next millenium so bad they gotta freeze you til somebody figures out how to staple the mess back together. Not to mention being blessed with a name worthy of a trailer park denzien.





That is.....if the Alpha Legion actually existed. Which they dont.

Dude this post just made my day awesome, just awesome, i bow to you sir.

Im suprised at the results! Guilliman i can see but wasn't expecting the Lion to be so high. I chose Horus, being the Warmaster and all, but I think Alpharius Omegon is a close second.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 TheAngrySquig wrote:
Pheonix Guard vs Morlocks was like steamroller vs kitten. Extremely similar to Ferrus vs Fulgrim

That isn't how it happened.

Who was the steamroller in the Ferrus vs. Fulgrim fight btw?

Prolly Fulgrim, since he won twice without a single scratch in either fight.

I just re-red the DA HH novels. It's stated (with a very possible bias) that the Lion is the second best strategist in the Emperor's army, only behind Horus.

BlaxicanX wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 TheAngrySquig wrote:
Pheonix Guard vs Morlocks was like steamroller vs kitten. Extremely similar to Ferrus vs Fulgrim

That isn't how it happened.

Who was the steamroller in the Ferrus vs. Fulgrim fight btw?

Prolly Fulgrim, since he won twice without a single scratch in either fight.

If you re-read the fight, Fulgrim gets a little more than scratched. Fulgrim p. 484-485. How ever Morlocks got slaughtered, I kinda feel bad for them. I liked the Iron Hands Legion.

 Kovnik Obama wrote:
I just re-red the DA HH novels. It's stated (with a very possible bias) that the Lion is the second best strategist in the Emperor's army, only behind Horus.

Who said that?

 Augustine_Maven wrote:

BlaxicanX wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 TheAngrySquig wrote:
Pheonix Guard vs Morlocks was like steamroller vs kitten. Extremely similar to Ferrus vs Fulgrim

That isn't how it happened.

Who was the steamroller in the Ferrus vs. Fulgrim fight btw?

Prolly Fulgrim, since he won twice without a single scratch in either fight.

If you re-read the fight, Fulgrim gets a little more than scratched. Fulgrim p. 484-485. How ever Morlocks got slaughtered, I kinda feel bad for them. I liked the Iron Hands Legion.

Nah, Fulgrim isn't canon.

In the canon fluff, Fulgrim doesn't even use weapons to beat Ferrus. He just kicks Ferrus Mannus' head off.

BlaxicanX wrote:

 Augustine_Maven wrote:

BlaxicanX wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 TheAngrySquig wrote:
Pheonix Guard vs Morlocks was like steamroller vs kitten. Extremely similar to Ferrus vs Fulgrim

That isn't how it happened.

Who was the steamroller in the Ferrus vs. Fulgrim fight btw?

Prolly Fulgrim, since he won twice without a single scratch in either fight.

If you re-read the fight, Fulgrim gets a little more than scratched. Fulgrim p. 484-485. How ever Morlocks got slaughtered, I kinda feel bad for them. I liked the Iron Hands Legion.

Nah, Fulgrim isn't canon.

In the canon fluff, Fulgrim doesn't even use weapons to beat Ferrus. He just kicks Ferrus Mannus' head off.

I'm pretty sure that Fulgrim is canon, just like the rest of the HH. And if Ferrus can take a Thunder Hammer to the head and keep fighting, it's likely he could tke a kick, no matter how high the heels his brother was wearing at the time were.

He didn't use a thunder hammer in the caon- Like I said, he was unarmed. He broke Ferrus Mannus' back Bane style.

The best Tactician? Lion El'Jonson.

After that Horus.

And no, I'm not being biased.

Lion and Guiliman were regarded as best tacticians among all Primarchs. But Guiliman was always more of a diplomat so my vote goes to Lion.

But if you are going to judge by individual deeds than any of them could be the best as all of them did some crazy gamble and incredible tactical moves during Great Crusade.

BlaxicanX wrote:
He didn't use a thunder hammer in the caon- Like I said, he was unarmed. He broke Ferrus Mannus' back Bane style.

The feth you talking about?

Well IIRC Luna Wolves had the most success above the other legions, followed by Ultramarines. So there is my vote to Horus. Lion and Alpharius were also Superb stategists. Corax had his stealth, Kurze had Terror. Magnus planned a lot, Fulgrim did so too and executed said plan perfectly (and fabulously). Perturabo sorta got bogged down a lot, Mortariom just kept pushing through, so did Manus. Dorn led from the forny, Sanguinius dropped in using DOA tactics. Khan used mounted, Gengis Khan-esque attacks. Angron sprt of just pointed and started running that way. Alpha Legion used decoys and Black Ops. Vulkan sort of led from the front in a sledgehammer attack.


Really all I can say is that I can't remember Lorgar actually having a brilliant plan. Just "land on planet, shoot them, build statue. "