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Fiends (35 pts)
ws 4 bs 0 s 4 t 4 lp 3 i 6 a 3 ld 7
models that getsin contact by one or more feinds gets -5 to their initiative
they got a 12" aura that decreases enemy psykers LD by 1

Seekers (12 pts)
ws 5 bs 4 s 3 t 3 lp 1 i 5 a 3 LD 7
outflank, acute senses

Chaos Furies
ws 3 bs 0 s 4 t 3 w 1 i 4 a 1 ld?
infantry with jumpmodule (like crisis)
Can be to khorne/nurlge/slaanesh/tzeentch

soulgrinder (135 pts)
+upgrade to god needed.
comes with close combat weapon and the harvester (2 profiles: autocannon with 3 shots or autocannon with 3 shots and skyfire)
can get the flamer (wich is now torrent) for 20
phlegm for 30 and tounge for 25 points

screamers (cost same)
are the same. though they reroll invul saves of 1 now.

flamers (cost same)
got hit hard..
the flamer is now s4 ds 4 and causes warpflame wich basically causes the enemy to force a toughness check after wounds have been caused. if he fails he suffers d3 additional wounds without armor or cover allowed. if he makes the test he gains 6+ feel no pain or if the unit already got feel no pain it becomes better by 1

Lord of Change (230)
ws 6 bs 6 s 6 t 6 w 5 i 6 a 5 ld 9 and 5+ invul (like every other daemon)
starts as psyker level 2. can get a additional level for the same price as others. can roll on tzeentch lore and divination. can take up to 50 points in gifts.

Kairos Fateweaver (33 points cheaper now)
ws 1 bs 6 s 5 t 5 w 5 i 2 a 1 ld 9 4+ invul.
can reroll a single dice per turn.
psyker level 4.
one head knows all of tzeentch +1 roll on pyromancy and prophecy
the other one knows all tzeentch and 1 roll on telepathy and biomancy you have to decide wich head is used at the start of every turn.
no longer the make a ld or dissapear after getting wounded.but no reroll bubble aswell.

Sucks that Slaneesh doesn't have a named GD still...

I'm getting super excited now!

Looks like I can plan for a true Papa Nurlge list that has some fun to it.

And dare I say, BEASTS OF NURGLE?!?!!? XD Awesome. I'll be painting pustules til the cows come home!

Do Flamers of Tzeentch still have the new template AND warpfire? Warpfire was the best thing no one ever used except me. It's GROSS.

I just keep refreshing the page hoping that new info comes out.

anyone else notice that blood crushers cost MORE lost a toughness and there 3+ armor

 ThatEdGuy wrote:
I just keep refreshing the page hoping that new info comes out.

Raziel is posting here every few minutes with more info if you want the original source (and you can post questions if you like, he responded to one of mine)... http://boards.4chan.org/tg/res/23398078#p23404849

Info is also being compiled and cleaned up at http://fundaemons.blogspot.com/2013/02/more-rules.html if you dont want to go to 4chan




flesh hounds (16 pts)
ws 5 bs 0 s 4 t 4 w 2 i 4 a 2 ld 7 sv 6+/5++
they are scouts and have the collar of khorne: +2 on deny the witch rolls.

Now, the question is, are Bloodcrushers Cav now?

Fiends looks pretty meh right now, as they rarely had problems going first with their I6, and unless that bubble penalty stacks it's largely ignorable.

TzeentchNet wrote:
Fiends looks pretty meh right now, as they rarely had problems going first with their I6, and unless that bubble penalty stacks it's largely ignorable.

Bloodcrushers seem much worse at this point, even if they gained cav, the loss of their armor save AND T is crippling.

These stats...don't make sense. I predict half or so are wrong; not saying everything is.

Daemonettes lose Rending, EVEN THOUGH Daemon of Slaanesh supposedly has Rending? Right.

I bet these aren't accurate, certain stats wrong, etc.

CleverAntics wrote:
These stats...don't make sense. I predict half or so are wrong; not saying everything is.

Daemonettes lose Rending, EVEN THOUGH Daemon of Slaanesh supposedly has Rending? Right.

I bet these aren't accurate, certain stats wrong, etc.

He corrected himself on the Daemonettes part.

 Sasori wrote:

TzeentchNet wrote:
Fiends looks pretty meh right now, as they rarely had problems going first with their I6, and unless that bubble penalty stacks it's largely ignorable.

Bloodcrushers seem much worse at this point, even if they gained cav, the loss of their armor save AND T is crippling.

Yeah, that was really disheartening to see. I love those models and wanted to have them feature prominently in my Daemon force. I hope there are some options available that make them viable.

plague drones. (42 pts)
can get the 3+ poison for 5 pts per model.
9 max.. can also get instant death attacks for 5+ per model
i would suggest get the instant death and the banner for 20 points
2+ poison for a single turn is enough against the hardest of foes with instant death in the mix.

Keeper of Secrets (170 base)
ws 9 bs 6 s 6 t 6 w 5 i 10 a 6 ld 9.
psyker level 1, prefered enemy eldar/dark eldar.
can get psyker level up to 3 for same costs as everyone else. and can take up to 50 pts in gifts.

Nurglings (15 pts)
ws 3 bs 3 s 3 t3 w 4 i3 a 4 ld 7
they are now infiltrators.

Slaneesh Chariots
Same as WD update.

Furies still look like they are garbage. So much for the rumor of a new kit with an alternate troop type option? And let me guess, they will cost almost as much as a CSM Raptor.

Only 5+ on the Lord of Change? I don't buy it. And man, I know Flamers needed a nerf, but AP4? That's a kick in the junk... Lord of Change also looks a lot better than Fateweaver at the moment, there's gotta be something else there.

I think the only thing I like out of all that is Daemonettes; they would seem to be the key choice for Troops, as they'd be rather good...and that is without putting the Slaanesh Herald in there.

Even with some stat changes, the Greater Daemons would be even easier to kill, perhaps other than the Great Unclean One. Keeper of Secrets would be incredibly easy to drop in one shooting phase.

Here's hoping for the best.

Keeper of Secrets is Initiative 1 WHAT???????

It's still I10. It was clarified later.

Yeah, figured it was a typo. Looks like Bloodcrushers are 3 wounds now...

So uhm, are Eldar with Runes of Warding going to be the new "shake hands, good game" army for Tzeentch daemons? Have to roll 3d to get the power off (on effective Ld 10), then they still get Deny the Witch. Rune Priests will also be extra annoying.

The flamer nerf is particularly galling since they appear to cost the same points. Going to be a hard sell to get people to buy the new overpriced plastic kits now, GW!

TzeentchNet wrote:


The flamer nerf is particularly galling since they appear to cost the same points. Going to be a hard sell to get people to buy the new overpriced plastic kits now, GW!

They've made more than enough sales since the update that made them insanely powerful I'm sure. Is that the most egregious example of GW cranking the power level up on a unit for sales? Especially considering how quickly they went from amazing to meh.

Some of the changes and new stuff looks great. Other stuff is just as useless as it was in 5th (or worse). And I have big warning bells going off with regard to the weak greater daemon stats. Certainly will not day 1 the new Codex or start to paint more Horrors quite yet.

TzeentchNet wrote:
Furies still look like they are garbage. So much for the rumor of a new kit with an alternate troop type option? And let me guess, they will cost almost as much as a CSM Raptor.

It looks like Furies are cheaper than any of the other daemons now. And can be upgraded to be of a particular god.

If so, then Slaanesh Furies might be pretty useful. Also, I have a TON of Screamers (30+) and adding a Herald on disc with Presence of Change (+1d6 ST) looks DIRTY.

Juggers Cavalery Yeah!!!, lost their 3+ for a measly 6+ armore...with a 5++?.. the heck? and they are Wounds 3 but T4?...

Seeing that Juggers if taken for an Herald/Lord give them +1 T i really don't get it...

there must be some mistake, it must...


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Bloodletter
10pts
hellblades - ap 3.
WS 5 bs 5 s 4 t 3 w 1 i 4 a 1 ld 7 sv 6+
one may be a hellfighter with the possibility to get up to 20 points in rewards.

one may take instrument of chaos 10 points, (if you deepstrike this unit you may nominate another unit of the same god to deepstrike right after them without reserve roll. in addition the warpstrom table roll of the same god wich wipes on the opposing god you may reroll the d6 if the unit is hit.

one may take ikon of chaos 10 points and may (still a homer but only works for units fo the same god) upgrade that for banner of blood for 10 points. ( the unit may once per game assault 6"+d6 instead of 2d6.

Nice Instrument and icon rules, but WTF on the T and A stats!, even at 10pts per models...

Well bloodletters are only T3 so +1T for T4 on bloodcrushers sounds right.

Plaguebearers at 9 points...I'm liking that alot.

GUOs at T7, W6....loving that ALOT.

Yeah sucks, really sucks...but why only a 6 armor save?

i don't even get it whats the point of a 6 armor save when you have a 5++ save!

Almost like they're getting Fantasy stats messed up with 40k here for stats and reporting 40k rules alongside them?