Dark Angels Rumors thread: Update 11/25

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**MightyGodzilla**

Platuan4th wrote:
I know everyone's gonna find it odd, but I hope Belial has a Storm Bolter and the Sword of Silence in the new Dex. I really like my Belial conversion...

If in the new codex they opt to give you only one loadout instead of the 3 I find the SB/SoS combo the most fitting. DAs needs their swords.

**H.B.M.C.**

I think that, if this rumour is true, Belial will provide a benefit to a Deathwing army, rather than being the only way to field a Deathwing army.

I much prefer it that way.

**Mathieu Raymond**

whoadirty wrote:

I'm curious about the design of the new flyer. When they say they wings are shaped like the Aquila, do they mean there is another ship called the Aquila, or are they just referring to the Imperial symbol?

There is the FW Aquila lander... which doesn't really do anything except transport 5 models and has a HB in the nose. For a b*tt-load of points, mind you. But the flyer is sweet. So if they use the wings, I'm all for it. Will still be using my ST conversion though. How much money do you expect me to throw at this hobby?

No, please, don't say it.

**B3AN**

Ronin_eX wrote:
Hell, they may be decoupling him from DW-as-troops so they can turn him in to a special character rather than a named character with all the personality of white bread. Right now, the sole reason for taking Belial is that his TH/SS version is cheap as chips compared to a vanilla SM captain with the same loadout and he allows for DW armies. My guess is that the rumours that he is going to be limited to one loadout, along with Masters getting access to TDA, mean that he will be getting an upgrade to something that could go toe to toe with Ghazkul. If he isn't going to be a hyper-efficient but bland choice, then it makes sense for GW to make him a bit of a combat monster. Dark Angels need a combat monster character as most every one of their characters qualifies as a bland but sometimes effective support unit. It is good to have a few of those, but having a big centerpiece beatstick would be nice.

For people who want a low-cost alternative for DW armies they will hopefully be able to run a Master to represent a more generic MotDW (with the upshot that all of us with TDA-equipped master who aren't the MotDW will be able to use them again!).

I think making RW and DW squads troops allows for a lot more variety out of our lists and I hope that bit turns out to be true (and it seems plausible since GW have really been making sure to load up on standard troop options without needing to take pre-req characters). This allows them to make Sammael and Belial special characters without making them an army tax for people who field DW or RW armies. So for people who like using named characters (or using their rules) they can still do that and actually have something that adds an interesting angle to the army (hopefully) and for those that don't, it gives them the freedom to ignore the named characters and take their own with precise customization.

Thanks Ronin and everyone else who replied to my question. I hope his model is amazing. I guess I didn't really think about how bland of a character choice he is currently.

**Hrontore Da Death Bringer**

GhostOfCaliban wrote:
mattyrm wrote:
GhostOfCaliban wrote:
As an aspiring DA player, I really hope this Codex: Dark Angels stands them apart from the rest in a unique way. The way BA and SW codex's did for them. New rules for "Get's Hot" would be great. My first game with the Dark Vengeance set was a disaster lol. I lost SM Sergent, PC, AND PG to "Get's Hot" within two rounds of shooting.

You are aware that you get your armour saves right?

I'm just asking because that seems staggeringly unlucky, I think in all of my 40k career Ive only lost 2 or 3 guys to gets hot. If your unlucky enough to roll a 1, you dont usually follow it up with a 1 or a 2! And when I very first started playing I remember thinking a gets hot roll was at ap2.

/facepalm ... I probably wasn't paying attention. I am new sooooo... But HEY I won my first game last night against some Chaos and he was rocking a Daemon Prince with flying and marks. Shot him out of the sky and grounded his butt. LUCKY rolls I have to say. He failed his cover save from Dive too. He saved against the wound from falling though. Also not a single failed Gets Hot! lol.

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Nuclear Mekanik wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
Stickmonkey wrote:
Elite:
Brother-interrogators - this unit wears chaplain style death masks, but are not chaplains, they are a specialist unit adept at near range combat, standard armament is dual bolt pistols and power maul. Can upgrade pistols.

*Does a happy dance*

I second that!

*breaks out cardboard dance floor*

Return of Cypher Plox?!
*breaks out boombox*

**B3AN**

Now THAT would be something! A new Cypher model + updated dual pistol rules. O.o

**Praxiss**

Mathieu Raymond wrote:
whoadirty wrote:

I'm curious about the design of the new flyer. When they say they wings are shaped like the Aquila, do they mean there is another ship called the Aquila, or are they just referring to the Imperial symbol?

There is the FW Aquila lander... which doesn't really do anything except transport 5 models and has a HB in the nose. For a b*tt-load of points, mind you. But the flyer is sweet. So if they use the wings, I'm all for it. Will still be using my ST conversion though. How much money do you expect me to throw at this hobby?

it does look pretty cool. the wings on a Stormtalon coudl look nice.

**B3AN**

Barakiel - named Techmarine/master of the forge! Note: barakiel is known as Angel of Lightning in references

So in the DV model roster, there is a Termie named Sgt. Barachiel. I wonder if either the spellings are just similar or that Techmarine rumor was misheard.

**Brother SRM**

GhostOfCaliban wrote:

Barakiel - named Techmarine/master of the forge! Note: barakiel is known as Angel of Lightning in references

So in the DV model roster, there is a Termie named Sgt. Barachiel. I wonder if either the spellings are just similar or that Techmarine rumor was misheard.

I personally don't buy any of those "upgrade character" rumors. It seems like they were starting that up with Orks, IG, and Space Marines and just kind of petered out.

**Mathieu Raymond**

They were usually expensive, at least with IG, for a relatively delicate model on the tabletop. Especially now that challenges will be all over the place.

**MightyGodzilla**

Brother SRM wrote:
GhostOfCaliban wrote:

Barakiel - named Techmarine/master of the forge! Note: barakiel is known as Angel of Lightning in references

So in the DV model roster, there is a Termie named Sgt. Barachiel. I wonder if either the spellings are just similar or that Techmarine rumor was misheard.

I personally don't buy any of those "upgrade character" rumors. It seems like they were starting that up with Orks, IG, and Space Marines and just kind of petered out.

They worked pretty well for the Space Wolves tho. A few characters (of your total list) that don't take up force org slots are pretty cool IMO. Company masters and librarians shouldn't fall like this, but if there's going to be a squad of scouts why not Namaan, if there's a 1-3 selection of Chaplains now why not Asmodai...etc etc.

**ph34r**

Brother SRM wrote:
GhostOfCaliban wrote:

Barakiel - named Techmarine/master of the forge! Note: barakiel is known as Angel of Lightning in references

So in the DV model roster, there is a Termie named Sgt. Barachiel. I wonder if either the spellings are just similar or that Techmarine rumor was misheard.

I personally don't buy any of those "upgrade character" rumors. It seems like they were starting that up with Orks, IG, and Space Marines and just kind of petered out.

Seems to me a victim of the "no model, no rules" policy.

**Compel**

Grey Knights, Space Wolves and Blood Angels all have upgrade characters as well.

Necrons don't have any, Dark Eldar might have 1, I'm not sure though....

**whoadirty**

Mathieu Raymond wrote:
whoadirty wrote:

I'm curious about the design of the new flyer. When they say they wings are shaped like the Aquila, do they mean there is another ship called the Aquila, or are they just referring to the Imperial symbol?

There is the FW Aquila lander... which doesn't really do anything except transport 5 models and has a HB in the nose. For a b*tt-load of points, mind you. But the flyer is sweet. So if they use the wings, I'm all for it. Will still be using my ST conversion though. How much money do you expect me to throw at this hobby?

No, please, don't say it.

I am hoping the rumoured weapons are true as it would be exactly how I did my ST conversion (in my gallery).

The Aquila lander does look pretty cool though.

**ph34r**

Compel wrote:
Grey Knights, Space Wolves and Blood Angels all have upgrade characters as well.

Necrons don't have any, Dark Eldar might have 1, I'm not sure though....

True, but if I'm not mistaken those all have models, yes? With the exception of maybe the Terminator Justicar for GK?

**Kanluwen**

Dark Eldar do not have Duke Sliscus or Lady Malys off the top of my head.
Justicar Thawn is not available for Grey Knights.

Space Wolves only just this year got Arjac Rockfist.

**ph34r**

Kanluwen wrote:
Dark Eldar do not have Duke Sliscus or Lady Malys off the top of my head.
Justicar Thawn is not available for Grey Knights.

Space Wolves only just this year got Arjac Rockfist.

On that note DE still don't have the bomber either. I would expect DE to get a mini wave at some point in the future, but if that giant release list was fake, who knows when.

**Anpu42**

There is also a Loki sorry Lucus Model

**Mathieu Raymond**

whoadirty wrote:
Mathieu Raymond wrote:
whoadirty wrote:

I'm curious about the design of the new flyer. When they say they wings are shaped like the Aquila, do they mean there is another ship called the Aquila, or are they just referring to the Imperial symbol?

There is the FW Aquila lander... which doesn't really do anything except transport 5 models and has a HB in the nose. For a b*tt-load of points, mind you. But the flyer is sweet. So if they use the wings, I'm all for it. Will still be using my ST conversion though. How much money do you expect me to throw at this hobby?

No, please, don't say it.

I am hoping the rumoured weapons are true as it would be exactly how I did my ST conversion (in my gallery).

The Aquila lander does look pretty cool though.

I must have missed it, but what was said about that flyer's loadout?

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We went with the same loadout, cool. So I'm technically golden.

**Micky**

Brother SRM wrote:

I personally don't buy any of those "upgrade character" rumors. It seems like they were starting that up with Orks, IG, and Space Marines and just kind of petered out.

Brood Lord?

**Backfire**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think that, if this rumour is true, Belial will provide a benefit to a Deathwing army, rather than being the only way to field a Deathwing army.

I much prefer it that way.

Seconded. I've always thought "You have to field Cpt. Blahblah to play army X" has always been lame. So it means that every say, Salamander army has to be led by Vulkan. Wow, the diversity. If GW is backing up from this policy, it's great.

**Brother SRM**

Micky wrote:
Brother SRM wrote:

I personally don't buy any of those "upgrade character" rumors. It seems like they were starting that up with Orks, IG, and Space Marines and just kind of petered out.

Brood Lord?

He's not a named special character, and that was also like 3 years ago.

**pretre**

Stickmonkey wrote: just heard a rumor that there is a AA option for DA dreads...one that will likely make it to all chapters eventually.

Codex release at the end of November White Dwarf (December issue) and a release in December

So PA command squad could get a single heavy weapon, apoth, standard, etc. A TA squad the same, but that the RW command squad was 3 bikes and a attack bike w hvy weapon, or 5 bikes, but not a LS. The history here does not point to GW breaking the concept that a RW full squad is still 10 man strong, 6 bikes, a AB, and a LS.

DA version of Vanguard?
Most like. But they have some form of hunters from hyperspace type rule in addition. And they might have some new DA special weapons...dark claws or dark swords, you know, to egg on the stereotypes..

Deathwing Terminators
SB, PS, LC, TH, SS, AC, AssC, PC, HF, CML, CF, PA, and PF are all the options I've heard rumored. Default is standard SB PF, Sgt w SB PS. Of note, AC and the PASS combo both are new info that's been whispered to me.

Plasma Predator

Heard a deviant rumor that they have meltagun sponsons as an option too...
So PC, AC, LasC w HB, HF, MG sponsons. Supposed to be a new kit with BA Pred style sponsons and DA icons included.

Dreadnoughts
Sounds like the HVY slot dread is the standard, and the specialist DA dread is Elite. and either can be upgraded to ven...for what that's worth now.

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Man, I hope SM isn't going all TDG on us here.

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Tastytaste being mysterious wrote:My Opinion:

I actually don’t think they are getting a Flyer. Inner Circle sorta fits with what I have been hearing. Super Techmarine sounds like the answer to the Warpsmith. Fortification is pretty solid, but don’t expect army specific fortifications just yet it should be an addition to the current list.

Here is some tip bits of what I know about the new Dark Angel codex that should hold you over.

Expect Dark Angels to be the ones that get Hatred: Chaos Space Marines. In fact, expect a “hatred type” trend to continue especially considering the addition of Allies.

GW wants (along fluff lines) to have armies counter other armies in extremely specific ways. In addition, and I am going to be nice and vague about this, but I bet you can figure it out if you do some research. The new major unit for Dark Angels is something Games Workshop is currently in court over over with a certain other company that already made them. If that doesn’t ring a bell, let me say it is a unit that perhaps only the Masters of the 2nd Companies would know about.

**SickSix**

~~Truescale Storm Raven?~~

Jet Bikes.

**pretre**

Yeah, I agree that he is probably hinting at jetbikes.

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I think Tasty is at his worst as a rumor monger when he tries this 'Not the sons of Guilliman' BS, but that's just me.

**Ronin**

Jet bikes eh? gonna be fun zooming around as space marines.

And no, I dont mean "zooming" as in "zooming" flyer special rule.

**Platuan4th**

AD Mech: Hey, Dark Angels, remember how we said that you guys have the last Imperial Jetbike in existance?

Azrael: Yeah?

AM: We, uh, we found an old unopened box in the back, you guys want 'em?

**pretre**

Nah, DA will pull a BA and find the STC. The Ad Mech will get pissy and DA will be all 'UNFORGIVEN!!!!'.

**Minx**

SM marked some of his comments as speculation (unlike tDG).

**pretre**

Minx wrote:
SM marked some of his comments as speculation (unlike tDG).

The problem is that when you post rumors, whether you mark it as speculation or not, you're still putting it out there and saying 'This is what's coming'.