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 scarletsquig wrote:
Massive update.

For starters, http://www.dreadball.com/ is now live.

People really should read the site. Lot of funny in-character stories about dreadball.

Oh and stuff like these:
and

Buzzcut and Number 88.
2 Unpublished MVP:s from the MVP section. Funnily enough, the Wildcard was missing from MVP list.
That should be all of them then. Coming soon to your nearest kickstarter!

Taarnak wrote:


I think I need that.

I wonder how that would look lit from underneath? Nice bright white LED lights... Hmmmmmmmm... Lol.

~Eric

I know we have only just met Taarnak, but I think I love you!

That could well be one of the coolest ideas I have heard regarding this release.. although presumably the acrylic is not transparent?

Great that they have the options there though.

 Pacific wrote:

Taarnak wrote:


I think I need that.

I wonder how that would look lit from underneath? Nice bright white LED lights... Hmmmmmmmm... Lol.

~Eric

I know we have only just met Taarnak, but I think I love you!

That could well be one of the coolest ideas I have heard regarding this release.. although presumably the acrylic is not transparent?

Great that they have the options there though.

Lol. Why thank you, I think...

I was thinking that even if it were opaque, light would shine through at the separations. Although, a translucent board would be much better for this. Mantic, you out there?...

~Eric

That isn't the "3D Pitch" though, right?

if there's enough requests, I'm sure they'll do it translucent.

That isn't the "3D Pitch" though, right?

How could a board be any more 3D though? Besides fenced off subs bench/sib bin. and some advertising hoardings or something.

It could be more 3D by actually being, you know, 3D! (Scenic elements you mentioned being the easiest way, I guess?)

Mantic mentioned it as a potential stretch goal - I guess we'll have to ask or wait and see...

I want Buzzcut and 88 too...and possibly a second board-maybe the $25 one. I'm not sure about the $80 acrylic board...somebody would have to sway me...ScarletSquig...talk me into or out of the more expensive one.

I don't know if it's kickstarter fatiuge (bought reasoanbly big into KoW and bones), new game fatigue (6th ed, Warmachine, and KoW) or just the fact that I've got bloodbowl and three painted teams gathering dust, but I can't get fired up about this.

Maybe I'll change my mind if the extras go crazy big (or buy in with something local), but I'm standing pat.

It's too bad, because the models actually are among mantic's best, aside from the veermyn...

 Polonius wrote:
I don't know if it's kickstarter fatiuge (bought reasoanbly big into KoW and bones), new game fatigue (6th ed, Warmachine, and KoW) or just the fact that I've got bloodbowl and three painted teams gathering dust, but I can't get fired up about this.

Maybe I'll change my mind if the extras go crazy big (or buy in with something local), but I'm standing pat.

It's too bad, because the models actually are among mantic's best, aside from the veermyn...

I agree these are some of the (if not the absolute) best models Mantic has put out yet. Also a huge fan of the Enforcers in the Corporation army-can't wait for the Warpath kickstarter to wrangle up a large jumble of them and other corporation goodies.

 Polonius wrote:
I don't know if it's kickstarter fatiuge (bought reasoanbly big into KoW and bones), new game fatigue (6th ed, Warmachine, and KoW) or just the fact that I've got bloodbowl and three painted teams gathering dust, but I can't get fired up about this.

Maybe I'll change my mind if the extras go crazy big (or buy in with something local), but I'm standing pat.

It's too bad, because the models actually are among mantic's best, aside from the veermyn...

Well the #1 reason to get this is if other players local to you or in your gaming group are interested. If no one cares, then just pass it up. For me, there's 4+ people that are interested, so I'm in for the $150 level. Before it's over, they may get more fired up and someone else may pledge but I'm cool with getting the game and four teams to start with.

So far I have cautiously been able to resist this KS, but a lot hinges on what the female team looks like. I'm a sucker for a dame, and if the team takes what they have with Wildcard and runs with it, I may be sunk.

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
II agree these are some of the (if not the absolute) best models Mantic has put out yet. Also a huge fan of the Enforcers in the Corporation army-can't wait for the Warpath kickstarter to wrangle up a large jumble of them and other corporation goodies.

I loved the enforcers until I saw the price. I'm a fan of mantic, I just dont' like them enough to pay resin prices for them.

I'm in, but I really don't care for the corporation heads. I may replace them with Puppets War "pilot" or "G-team" heads. I've always liked those bits but could never figure out how I would use them.

Great call !!!

I don't have anythign against the enforcer heads, but I too was looking for an excuse to use the PW Pilot heads. They would look awesome for the Future Sport Genre

 Polonius wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
II agree these are some of the (if not the absolute) best models Mantic has put out yet. Also a huge fan of the Enforcers in the Corporation army-can't wait for the Warpath kickstarter to wrangle up a large jumble of them and other corporation goodies.

I loved the enforcers until I saw the price. I'm a fan of mantic, I just dont' like them enough to pay resin prices for them.

Wait for the Warpath Kickstarter my dear, wise, Shakespearean father. Just quit hiding in the dark listening to deranged men and everything will work out.

 adamsouza wrote:


Great call !!!

I don't have anythign against the enforcer heads, but I too was looking for an excuse to use the PW Pilot heads. They would look awesome for the Future Sport Genre

Yeah, great idea there! I may well do the same. Because I'm original like that.

Acrylic board looks nice enough, and may be reasonably priced at $80, but too rich for me right now. That's a Titan from Dreamforge. I'll probably pick up the paint set to give it a try. One of the Mantic guys said their paint comed from the same supplier as Army Painter, though their own mixes.

 RiTides wrote:
I wouldn't rule out getting a single team if someone around here gets the game, but so far none of the model aesthetics appeal to me...

With only 2 or 3 player types per team, and those differentiated by size and/or amount of armour, counts-as teams should be easy to convert.

 Alpharius wrote:
That isn't the "3D Pitch" though, right?

You're supposed to lay the acrylic pitch on top of the card one. It elevates the field the thickness of the acylic.

It's about as 3D as the old Red/Blue glasses 3D.

I would have made the colored areas, and the center line of hexes, double the thickness of the rest of the board. In fact, that's probably what I'm going to do when I build my own board.

The Acrylic board is attractive, but I can't justify an additional $80 for it. If they post pictures of the MDF board I may opt for that.

an interesting note from the comments

Mantic Games wrote:Guys, you're doing a phenomenal job - Kicktraq is actually exceeding our daily target and we're on par with Sedition Wars and thoroughly beating Kings of War.

 Polonius wrote:
I don't know if it's kickstarter fatiuge (bought reasoanbly big into KoW and bones), new game fatigue (6th ed, Warmachine, and KoW) or just the fact that I've got bloodbowl and three painted teams gathering dust, but I can't get fired up about this.
Maybe I'll change my mind if the extras go crazy big (or buy in with something local), but I'm standing pat.
It's too bad, because the models actually are among mantic's best, aside from the veermyn...

You may find it worth going in for Jack or Striker, as they both ship in December as opposed to March, like most of SW, KoW and Bones will be. It also depends of course if you have others to play with, or others you can rope into playing with...


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 adamsouza wrote:

an interesting note from the comments

Mantic Games wrote:Guys, you're doing a phenomenal job - Kicktraq is actually exceeding our daily target and we're on par with Sedition Wars and thoroughly beating Kings of War.

Unless they start laying on both the freebies and worthwhile inexpensive add-ons thickly, they won't touch SW in the end. Will they add another 4 teams as freebies? Who knows? On one hand, it seems unlikely, but I also imagine that would really spike the pledges at $150. Might be too much for them, though.

They do however have a few things in their favour - The "sweet spot" buy-in point for this game is $50 more than Sedition Wars, so that's do doubt counting for a lot to start with. Not to mention the free shipping to both the US and UK with no added Customs and VAT for UK/European pledgers, and other international shippingalso being quite reasonable - a few mental hurdles people don't need to stress about.

My predictions for future stretch goals:

1.) All plastic Teams get bumped up to 12 figures
2.) Forge Fathers and Rat Team get 2 additional sculpts each
3.) Additional balls
4.) More MVPS
5.) Custom Dice

Unless they start laying on both the freebies and worthwhile inexpensive add-ons thickly, they won't touch SW in the end. Will they add another 4 teams as freebies? Who knows? On one hand, it seems unlikely, but I also imagine that would really spike the pledges at $150. Might be too much for them, though.

Take another look at the KoW Kickstarter. About 70 models given away at the $175 level, with large infantry, cavalry and a chariot.

I'm fairly confident that over 100 miniatures total will end up in Striker by the end of this, even if the KS doesn't beat Sedition Wars (CMoN has better marketing, and the game is niche, so its unlikely.. might beat Relic Knights, though).

Remember, Sedition Wars had its special characters as "$10 options" for the most part.. Mantic is flat-out giving them away as freebies, there hasn't been a single "non-freebie" stretch goal so far, which is brilliant. The pitch is not a stretch goal, just in case that wasn't clear. Pictures of the MDF board are coming as soon as Mantic gets the board delivered in the mail (should be next Monday).

They are taking a very different approach to this than Sedition Wars, which frontloaded its juicy stretches of +12 minis.. here they seem to have relied on early birds to get early momentum going (and get the kickstarter.com promotion that is triggered by that), it's possible that the new teams will appear in the middle, to give a boost to a part which normally runs slowly. They're running on a nice flat $10k per day average at the moment which is great and hints at least $500k for the final sum.

They've already had 2 stretch goals that gave away 4 extra minis for $10k-$20k, a series of big $40-50k stretches that gives Striker a whole new team of 8 minis is definitely doable and is likely to be the point where this really takes off.

Also, someone earlier in the thread asked if the MVPs will be metal or plastic - This was answered in the KS comments - Mantic doesn't know itself yet, the material depends on how successful the kickstarter is. Low success = it's cheaper for them to make the minis in metal, high success = it's cheaper for them to make the MVPs in plastic. So, anyone who really, really wants plastic for their freebies, or no backy, wait until the last few days and then ask them.

The MVPs look to be one-piece minis and Mantic's restic material holds detail just as well as metal so there really isn't a lot of difference either way.

Good God, I've been looking at the Dreadball kickstarter throughout the day...it's gained almost $10,000 today alone. Compared to what it has already received, it's not much...but it's also been going on for a week, and $10,000 doesn't seem like much of a die-down.

More like almost $15k, Kicktraq is everyone's friend:

http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1744629938/dreadball-the-futuristic-sports-game

Today was the 2nd highest day for the thing so far, and yet it also seems to be the day with the most KS commenters bemoaning a "slowdown".

That reminds me, I should add a link to that in the first post.

 scarletsquig wrote:
More like almost $15k, Kicktraq is everyone's friend:

http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1744629938/dreadball-the-futuristic-sports-game

Today was the 2nd highest day for the thing so far, and yet it also seems to be the day with the most KS commenters bemoaning a "slowdown".

That reminds me, I should add a link to that in the first post.

No kidding. I fully expect the John Doe stretch goal to be reached before I wake up in the morning (and I don't usually sleep past 8). to the loyal organ-harvesting backers of this game. Get me John Doe.

Looking through their other options, I went with a $25 board and the paint kit as well. Up to $195 for me.

 scarletsquig wrote:


I'm fairly confident that over 100 miniatures total will end up in Striker by the end of this, even if the KS doesn't beat Sedition Wars (CMoN has better marketing, and the game is niche, so its unlikely.. might beat Relic Knights, though).

Relic Knights is doing (slightly) better than Sedition Wars at this point in time. On the 25th day of the campaign, Sedition Wars was at about 360.000,- . Relic Knights yesterday (the 25th day) was at 370.000 more or less.

Hard to compare patterns, since Relic Knights started a-lot more "front-loaded" with lots of pledges in the first two days, while Sedition Wars was more of a slow burner. Yet, if Relic Knights gets a similar end-rally, it does have good chances of beating Sedition Wars and topping 1 Million.

 scarletsquig wrote:

Unless they start laying on both the freebies and worthwhile inexpensive add-ons thickly, they won't touch SW in the end. Will they add another 4 teams as freebies? Who knows? On one hand, it seems unlikely, but I also imagine that would really spike the pledges at $150. Might be too much for them, though.

Take another look at the KoW Kickstarter. About 70 models given away at the $175 level, with large infantry, cavalry and a chariot.

I don't need to look. Both my wife and I pledged at $175+ each.
Not the point I'm making there, though. I'm wondering out loud if they'll add the additional teams as $$ add-ons or into Striker.

I'm fairly confident that over 100 miniatures total will end up in Striker by the end of this, even if the KS doesn't beat Sedition Wars (CMoN has better marketing, and the game is niche, so its unlikely.. might beat Relic Knights, though).

Remember, Sedition Wars had its special characters as "$10 options" for the most part.. Mantic is flat-out giving them away as freebies, there hasn't been a single "non-freebie" stretch goal so far, which is brilliant.

They are taking a very different approach to this than Sedition Wars, which frontloaded its juicy stretches of +12 minis.. here they seem to have relied on early birds to get early momentum going (and get the kickstarter.com promotion that is triggered by that), it's possible that the new teams will appear in the middle, to give a boost to a part which normally runs slowly. They're running on a nice flat $10k per day average at the moment which is great and hints at least $500k for the final sum.

SW had a lot of +$10 characters that also had extras, and that's exactly what I'm wondering about. Potentially hitting the pledgers (ie the people who are interested in the product) again seems to be a tried-and-true strategy, though KoW did that largely via BOGOF. SW did give away quite a lot of extras for free though. DB's package isn't nearly in that range yet, though they still have a month to play with.

(CMoN has better marketing, and the game is niche, so its unlikely.. might beat Relic Knights, though).

No more niche than a Space Hulk game which, let's face it, Sedition Wars was. I can see DreadBall being a supported system, Sedition Wars is a one-off board game that'll get expanded into a skirmish game at same point.

Interested in why CMoN has better marketing though, thought it more to do with the fact that they've probably got a larger American community.

Hi guys. I'm compiling a list of questions to ask the guys at Mantic Towers about DreadBall, so if there's a burning issue you want answered, head over to http://jonathanpeace.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/ask-mantic-dreadball-q.html and leave your question in the comments.

These are being sent on Friday and will then be posted up as soon as I get back their response (along with a few juicy sneak peeks).

Cheers
JP

@Black Nexus: CMoN spend big on advertising, as well as owning various sites such as TGN which permanently has banner ads for their various campaigns.

Community of their site is huge, too, not just Americans, it's been around for over a decade and is extremely well-established, even amongst non-wargamers, so they're tapping into a much greater cross-section of the market there. A CCG-gamer friend of mine first showed me the site 10 years ago.

They've just plain got more eyeballs looking at them than Mantic does, which is what you need for a KS campaign... there are already extremely massively successful campaigns run by people who write webcomics, often for things which are not even remotely related to webcomics, simply because their site gets millions of unique views per day.

The success of KS campaigns is mostly down to "get as many eyeballs as possible" and "don't screw anything up", which is why Soda Pop/McVey and others are best off throwing their lot in with CMoN, since that way they benefit from the marketing aspect of the bigger fish while still being a little fish themselves.

Same relationship between a game developer/ writer and their publisher really. That's what I mean by better marketing.

It's not something that Mantic can acquire overnight, and the company is still lacking the "hit" that will make them popular with the wargaming crowd in general... there's always something that people don't like with every single one of their releases. Not Mantic fans of course, but the numerous majority of other people who just aren't convinced.

In the case of DreadBall, the most common complaint I've heard so far seems to be that people do not want orcs in space, skaven in space and dwarfs in space, but want actual sci-fi stuff in the sci-fi game. The good reaction to the tentacle alien is an excellent example of this, it is the first alien we've seen in the Warpath universe that hasn't jumped straight out of a warhammer fantasy army book and strapped some armour on. Not that I don't love my forgefather army, but I accept that the "Space Fantasy" genre is less popular than the "Sci-fi" genre currently. It is a sub-genre, and its not for everyone. KoW went pretty much "by the books" when it came to fantasy, but Warpath is wildly divergent from the core of humans vs. aliens that most people expect.

Some of the 3 new teams (other than the female corp, which are already an excellent idea) being actual alien aliens would be one thing that could make this huge and appeal to both markets.

Whole team of John Doe tentacle people, Android team (another excellent sci-fi staple). Team of silicon-based crystalline aliens cast in clear plastic = awesome

Whereas in comparison, something like space lizardmen, space elves, and space dark elves would probably just leave people wondering why a fantasy game wasn't made instead.

Give me a team of John Does and I'll buy them, even if I don't end up with the game

something unique is always good

if the sculpts of wildcard and 88 hold up to the art (and I do worry there) I wany them too, again irrespective of whether I grab the game