Officer of the Fleet (IG) -- New Life in 6th with Flyers?

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**TheCaptain**

Peregrine wrote:
TheCaptain wrote:
Continuing to argue a point that derails a thread after being asked to stop is spam. Which is against the WRITTEN rules here. Welcome to dakka.

And when someone with actual authority on this forum offers an opinion here, I'll pay attention to it. Last time I checked, you're not a moderator, so if you want the tangent to stop then I'd suggest that you stop insisting on getting the last word and continuing to post about it.

Basically just got told "You're not the boss of me"... Wow, thought I was wayyyyyy too old to still hear those comments. Guess not.

As long as you don't scatter within 1" of an enemy model, you don't mishap. That's all. Very easy to avoid.

Nope. Flyers don't take dangerous terrain tests for ending their move in terrain, but a mishap is not a dangerous terrain test. A flyer will suffer a mishap exactly as normal if it lands in impassable terrain, on top of a friendly model, within 1" of an enemy model, or off the table. Given the large size of the average flyer, deep striking onto a crowded table has a significant chance of producing a mishap.

Pretty ambiguous. Rules are written such that flyers, for every other purpose, ignore things under it's base (save for enemy models). Assuming deep strike isn't so just because it doesn't specifically say so is pretty unnecessarily RAW.

@terdurur

you deep strike the ones you can't get a shot by zooming on normally.
Oh AND valks have scout (thus outflank)

They basically can come in wherever they want. It's lovely.

**Godless-Mimicry**

Well not everything under its base; if it lands one Troops that's a mishap. But if it lands on any piece of terrain it is fine whether impassable or not.

**TheCaptain**

Godless-Mimicry wrote:
Well not everything under its base; if it lands one Troops that's a mishap. But if it lands on any piece of terrain it is fine whether impassable or not.

Only enemy models.

**Godless-Mimicry**

TheCaptain wrote:
Godless-Mimicry wrote:
Well not everything under its base; if it lands one Troops that's a mishap. But if it lands on any piece of terrain it is fine whether impassable or not.

Only enemy models.

No any models; if you annot place the base then it is mishap, and you cannot overlap bases with any models, friend or foe.

**TheCaptain**

Godless-Mimicry wrote:
TheCaptain wrote:
Godless-Mimicry wrote:
Well not everything under its base; if it lands one Troops that's a mishap. But if it lands on any piece of terrain it is fine whether impassable or not.

Only enemy models.

No any models; if you annot place the base then it is mishap, and you cannot overlap bases with any models, friend or foe.

But it says flyers ignore everything "under" its base for the sake of movement except for enemy models; deep strike counts as moving at cruising speed. Would that not imply that, in the case of this movement, all but enemy models are ignored?

**tedurur**

TheCaptain wrote:
Godless-Mimicry wrote:
TheCaptain wrote:
Godless-Mimicry wrote:
Well not everything under its base; if it lands one Troops that's a mishap. But if it lands on any piece of terrain it is fine whether impassable or not.

Only enemy models.

No any models; if you annot place the base then it is mishap, and you cannot overlap bases with any models, friend or foe.

But it says flyers ignore everything "under" its base for the sake of movement except for enemy models; deep strike counts as moving at cruising speed. Would that not imply that, in the case of this movement, all but enemy models are ignored?

No, deep strike count as deployment. So no touching friendly models nor anything touching friendly models and toughinh lethal terrain is also a mishap. Also, you do not get to simply pick mid game whether or not you are deep striking. That must be decided when you put the model in reserve. I can see how not knowing these rules makes it easier to deploy massed fliers in a good way...

**A Town Called Malus**

Yup deep strike mishap is if the base lands on friendly models, in impassable terrain, off the board or on or within 1" of an enemy model.

My Tau Crisis suits can jump into impassable terrain if they can physically land on it during their movement phase or assault phase. That doesn't change the fact that deep striking into impassable terrain causes a mishap.

**Godless-Mimicry**

A Town Called Malus wrote:
Yup deep strike mishap is if the base lands on friendly models, in impassable terrain, off the board or on or within 1" of an enemy model.

No it doesn't mishap if it lands in impassable terrain.

**A Town Called Malus**

Godless-Mimicry wrote:
A Town Called Malus wrote:
Yup deep strike mishap is if the base lands on friendly models, in impassable terrain, off the board or on or within 1" of an enemy model.

No it doesn't mishap if it lands in impassable terrain.

Read the deep strike rules. Now point me to where in the FLyer rules it states that a Flyer does not mishap when deep striking onto impassable terrain.

**tedurur**

A Town Called Malus wrote:
Godless-Mimicry wrote:
A Town Called Malus wrote:
Yup deep strike mishap is if the base lands on friendly models, in impassable terrain, off the board or on or within 1" of an enemy model.

No it doesn't mishap if it lands in impassable terrain.

Read the deep strike rules. Now point me to where in the FLyer rules it states that a Flyer does not mishap when deep striking onto impassable terrain.

Since the deep strike misshap states that "If any models in the deep striking unit can not be deployed, ..." I think that it can be argued that since a flyer can infact be deployed in impassible terrain then that restriction is lifted.

**Godless-Mimicry**

A Town Called Malus wrote:
Godless-Mimicry wrote:
A Town Called Malus wrote:
Yup deep strike mishap is if the base lands on friendly models, in impassable terrain, off the board or on or within 1" of an enemy model.

No it doesn't mishap if it lands in impassable terrain.

Read the deep strike rules. Now point me to where in the FLyer rules it states that a Flyer does not mishap when deep striking onto impassable terrain.

The part that says flyers ignore terrain and may land in impassable terrain without harm or penalty.

**Indarys**

Godless-Mimicry wrote:
Peregrine wrote:Of course tournaments have various comp rules that try to force people to play how the game is "meant" to be played instead of according to the actual rules GW has published, but that doesn't mean we have to grant it any legitimacy.

Ok so you want to play the GW rules as published; please go read the introduction pages to each and every Imperial Armour book please and then get back to me; if you need a hand, I'm refering to the section that says these units aren't designed for consistent 40k play and should require your opponent's permission. This hasn't changed. And as much as your want to say the individual comps of different tournies don't matter to the discussion, they do, because they are still something people here might play. As you said, the OP didn't state a set of parameters for which environment we are discussing, so why are you being a hypocrite in trying to exclude ours?

But this -has- changed. FW units are considered "official". The only reason you "should make sure your opponent is ok with it" is because they might not know the rules. I mean, it doesn't get much clearer than "These units should be considered official, but not everyone has access to this 90 dollar rulebook, so you should probably keep that in mind"

I run a vulture and a avenger in my army. I have the statlines and rules printed out in a binder that I let my opponent see if they need to. I almost never have complaints. The only people who do complain are the usual TFGs. And I don't want to play them anyway.