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For the point cost, it doesn't do much. It can't even kill enough troops on the ground. I normally use it with some kind of missiles. Even the hover strike ability is rather stupid. Sure it gets one better shot but it is guaranteed to die due to losing Flyer status AND jink.

av 12... only hit on 6's so even a las cannon is going to hit you on 6's and glance/pen on 3/4

what is a 17% chance of being hit and once you factor in results a 11.3 % chance to get a glance/pen then 5+ cover ... that means a lascannon has a 7.5% chance to take a hull point or roll on the chart

4 long fangs with missiles shoot at your stormraven on of the scariest possible scenarios.. 4 missiles hitting on 6's means .7 hits between all 4, glances/pens 4+ so .35 results and if they get through you can jink save for only .23 glances/pens getting through

mathematically it is as hard to hurt as a landraider but better armed

Its a good unit.

You may be comparing it to Vendettas. Don't do that, vendettas are under costed.


And NEVER Hover Strike. Its a bad idea as you said.

Yeah. It's you. :-)

you still get jink in hover mode hover mode turns you from flyer to fast skimmer as long you still move in hover mode you still get jink

Except Jink requires the Skimmer to move.

Hover Strike specifically forbids the Stormtalon from moving, and it can't hover normally.

wow thats kind of crap

Hoover strike can be good if you are going to get cover anyway and the enemy isn't expecting it. Never say never.

At the moment they are a little too expensive. Light but deadly and flying, not in the nice way land speeders are which is the unit they are competing against. Once antiflyer gets introduced their value will go down dramatically.

Their special reserve thing seems to be the bit which is over valued, this is common for GW to over rate tactical special rules.

Stormtalon is Av11...

Stormtalons are fairly inexpensive for a flexible flyer. They're great for anti-air but can do anti-infantry with typhoon missiles as well.

I have tried using the Stormtalon in several games. All and all, it doesn't perform well. Getting shot down too fast before it can do anything.

What do you normally use your Stormtalon for?
Do you bring more than 1?
What else do you bring in your army? Stormtalon doesn't provide good anti-AV13 so I assume you bring Lascannon for that.

Stormtalons are best with Typhoon missile launchers.

They arn't for shooting down heavy armor. They are for strafing AV10-12 and infantry. They are also good against other flyers.

Hover strike is good if you are on the other side of the board and nothing he has is in range of your stormtalon. With the skyhammer missiles (or whatever they are called) you have a 72 inch range and they are heavy 3 at strength 7. Yeah you aren't popping lander raiders left and right, but rhino's and other light armored vehicles are still fair game. It just depends on what you want to use them for. They have to fit their role in your army.

I can only see HS on that kill or be killed shot. If its the most important shot of your life, and its success could ensure yours, HS might be for you.

For example, Ghazkull (sorry for misspelling), 1 wound, his 2++ is active. you have your tactical squad on the objective. If he isn't killed, he will rip you off the next turn and you will lose. Squad shoots, he saves them all. All you have left is that SR. HS so you hit on twos and blast him away

I find the best set up is with the typhoon ML. However this runs up your price and it still isn't going to be amazing. In fact the most success I've had with it is as an anti-horde infantry strafer firing its frag missiles. However, since the SM Codex is lacking in many skyfire options, I tend to run it as a counter flyer unit.

The trick with hover strike is to make sure that no anti tank weapons are in range when you do it, or its turn five and your only other option is to fly of the board.

They're decent anti-flyer tech, and they have good firepower for the points cost. Either in Typhoon missile mode or Skyhammer missile mode. They'll get worse as the anti-flyer tech increases, but they're pretty darn good right now, IMO.

 G00fySmiley wrote:
av 12... only hit on 6's so even a las cannon is going to hit you on 6's and glance/pen on 3/4

They are AV 11.

I played a few games with vanilla marines as allies just so i could bring in a talon as a support craft for my ravens. Worked so so good. The little puddle jumper zips around his big brothers popping possible threats. I felt it worked very very well.

I've had mixed results with mine, I still think its worth taking because when your opponent is not equipped to deal with it it can do some work and it is nessisary to deal with. Ecron flying circus.

It's you...

 wtwlf123 wrote:
They're decent anti-flyer tech, and they have good firepower for the points cost. Either in Typhoon missile mode or Skyhammer missile mode. They'll get worse as the anti-flyer tech increases, but they're pretty darn good right now, IMO.

 G00fySmiley wrote:
av 12... only hit on 6's so even a las cannon is going to hit you on 6's and glance/pen on 3/4

They are AV 11.

righto i read storm raven for some reason... that slightly increases the math... but even at av11 the stormtalon is only marginally easier to beat, str 4 still cannot even glance it so most armies volume of fire like rapid fire bolters can't even touch it .. though admittedly my lootas chew up both pretty well

i run 2 in my bike list and it works out well for me. I usually prioritise enemy units like this:
Flier<-Has Skyfire<-av10-12<-Infantry

That way, i reduce the risk of it being killed, which is almost always the turn it comes on. Then i proceed to destroy my enemies tanks. It rarely shoots at infantry.

And i usually get more damage on a vehicle with the TL assault cannon's rending, than i do with the skyhammer missiles. YMMV>

 G00fySmiley wrote:
av 12... only hit on 6's so even a las cannon is going to hit you on 6's and glance/pen on 3/4

what is a 17% chance of being hit and once you factor in results a 11.3 % chance to get a glance/pen then 5+ cover ... that means a lascannon has a 7.5% chance to take a hull point or roll on the chart

4 long fangs with missiles shoot at your stormraven on of the scariest possible scenarios.. 4 missiles hitting on 6's means .7 hits between all 4, glances/pens 4+ so .35 results and if they get through you can jink save for only .23 glances/pens getting through

mathematically it is as hard to hurt as a landraider but better armed

While your math is right, your facts are not.

Storm Talon is AV11. You do not get Jink Rolls from Vooming, you get Hard to hit. (Unless there is a rule I am missing some where)

Once you correct those things, you get a .4444 chance of a Dev Squad pulling a HP from it.

jbunny wrote:

 G00fySmiley wrote:
av 12... only hit on 6's so even a las cannon is going to hit you on 6's and glance/pen on 3/4

what is a 17% chance of being hit and once you factor in results a 11.3 % chance to get a glance/pen then 5+ cover ... that means a lascannon has a 7.5% chance to take a hull point or roll on the chart

4 long fangs with missiles shoot at your stormraven on of the scariest possible scenarios.. 4 missiles hitting on 6's means .7 hits between all 4, glances/pens 4+ so .35 results and if they get through you can jink save for only .23 glances/pens getting through

mathematically it is as hard to hurt as a landraider but better armed

While your math is right, your facts are not.

Storm Talon is AV11. You do not get Jink Rolls from Vooming, you get Hard to hit. (Unless there is a rule I am missing some where)

Once you correct those things, you get a .4444 chance of a Dev Squad pulling a HP from it.

You are correct. Zooming does not confer Jink.
Evade, on the other hand, does.

But an Evading Flyer can only make Snapshots next turn, which makes it an iffy thing when shooting at a flyer.

jbunny wrote:

 G00fySmiley wrote:
av 12... only hit on 6's so even a las cannon is going to hit you on 6's and glance/pen on 3/4

what is a 17% chance of being hit and once you factor in results a 11.3 % chance to get a glance/pen then 5+ cover ... that means a lascannon has a 7.5% chance to take a hull point or roll on the chart

4 long fangs with missiles shoot at your stormraven on of the scariest possible scenarios.. 4 missiles hitting on 6's means .7 hits between all 4, glances/pens 4+ so .35 results and if they get through you can jink save for only .23 glances/pens getting through

mathematically it is as hard to hurt as a landraider but better armed

While your math is right, your facts are not.

Storm Talon is AV11. You do not get Jink Rolls from Vooming, you get Hard to hit. (Unless there is a rule I am missing some where)

Once you correct those things, you get a .4444 chance of a Dev Squad pulling a HP from it.

None of those results are correct. Goofysmiley is using statistics and not probability but declaring it a "chance". Jbunny just has many things wrong.

4 krak missiles have a ~37% chance to do one or more hull points in damage to a Stormtalon.

Four Missile has a .4444 chance of causing a HP or more damage.

You have a .16667 chance to hit with one missile
Then a .6667 chance of glance of better
those two times each other equals .1111

Times that by 4 and you get .4444

This does not include the option of Evading.

jbunny wrote:
Four Missile has a .4444 chance of causing a HP or more damage.

You have a .16667 chance to hit with one missile
Then a .6667 chance of glance of better
those two times each other equals .1111

Times that by 4 and you get .4444

This does not include the option of Evading.

Yeah, that's not how probability works. If that is how math really worked, you're saying that 9 missiles are guaranteed to do damage as 9 * .1111 = 1. It is obvious that this is not the case as there's always a chance for total failure (you roll all 1's for example).

The probability of any missile doing damage is ~.1111.

The probability that at least one missile out of 4 does damage is equal to the complement of the chance that none of 4 missiles do damage.

The probability of not doing damage is 1 - .1111 ~= .8888. Multiply that by itself 4 times to give you the probability of doing no damage with 4 missiles .8888^4 ~= .6243.

Therefore the probability of 4 missiles doing at least 1 point of damage is 1-.6243 ~= .3757.

That .4444 you've come up with is the average amount of hull point damage from 4 missiles. It is not a probability.

I see your point. We are saying two different things. I did show the average expected result, which goes along way in making a decision. How about next time you don't come across as smug.

Actually, Of all the things I would call his post, Smug is not one of them.

Sounds like your just butthurt you were proven wrong jbunny.