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 Cyrax wrote:

 Kevin949 wrote:
...I suppose so, since the CCB can't sweep attack a flyer either...

Am I missing something, what disallows them from doing so?

"Q: Can a character on a Chariot that is also a Skimmer make a
Sweep Attack against a Zooming Flyer? (p82)
A: No"

Well, time to put down my Paladin/Nob BFF army. It was fun while it lasted.

Snikrot was already dead, but now that Nobz and Paladins are garbage too, that's my three favourite units in the game gone.

I'll need to rebuild my entire army anyway, but this kind of sucks. There were ways to fix the wound allocation issues, but this is just overboard.

 pretre wrote:
Tau got target locks back:

Page 28 – Armoury, Target Lock.
Replace this entry with “A model with a target lock can shoot at
a different target to the rest of his unit.”

However, they did NOT add target lock for vehicles

They never took it away.

 Dave_Fay wrote:
Since I'm one of the few templars players.

Q: Must the ‘Consolidate move’ towards the enemy for Righteous Zeal
be made in full? (p23)

A: Yes.

Q: Is the Abhor the Witch, Destroy the Witch vow taken instead of
normal Deny the Witch rolls? (p25)

A: Yes

Blarg...

My buddy won't be terribly happy about that first one. Though he's not averse to getting into CC anyway, but sometimes you just don't want to move...or you move the wrong way (in the case of non-battlebrother allies that are enemies).

Happy to see Incubi get boosted. Still not enough to warrant taking them of course, but at least the DE once again have a dedicated melee unit for tackling terminators.

skarsol wrote:
They never took it away.

D'oh!!! Well, don't I feel silly now

Am I the only one that noticed that Bikes got Very Bulky (Count as 3 units) and therefore can now mount up into transports?

The first image I had was a squad of bikes bursting out of a Land Raider, clown-car style. Then I looked up and saw my Stormraven...

Yeah, Skies of Blood makes it suitably dangerous for Bikes to Deep Strike out of a Stormraven moving flat-out, but the coolness of that image is just so... cool!

Tau Disruption Pods now give SHROUDING.

That's a 3+ cover save (jink + shrouding) if the vehicle moves and the firer is more than 12" away and a 2+ cover save if the vehicle moved flat-out!

It's back to being the best 5 point vehicle upgrade in the game.


Hmmmm, mech tau seems really interesting now.

This is crazy

 Dave_Fay wrote:
Since I'm one of the few templars players.

Q: Must the ‘Consolidate move’ towards the enemy for Righteous Zeal
be made in full? (p23)

A: Yes.

Q: Is the Abhor the Witch, Destroy the Witch vow taken instead of
normal Deny the Witch rolls? (p25)

A: Yes

Blarg...

Yep, the first one there alone basically killed Lasplas squads and nerfed double CML Terminators hard. Furthermore, you can now shoot any non-vehicle Black Templars unit to have it run at you so you can assault it.

Why does GW hate Black Templars? First the AAC nerf and now this? At least we're rid of flippin' Target Priority.

Yeah. My Black Templars will now be running around as the Sons of Dorn that Wear Black and will be using the Space Marine codex. That's the final kick in the balls.

Hopefully a new Codex will drop next year. I guess we'll wait and see.

Oh no, nob/paladin abuse is gone.



Shame that your opponents might actually have some fun in friendly games.

 Brometheus wrote:
Oh no, nob/paladin abuse is gone.



Guess it's time for you guys to move to Necrons, then.

Following the rules is not "abuse", it's following the rules. Hardly surprising that you'd know where to find the violin...

Google?

Your attempt to insult (if there) is wasted. I don't care, my friend.

Oh, and.. Sparta. I am fully interested in actually seeing if there's a functional violin. Not being clever.. Truly interested.

Holy crap, some of these are game changing....so long Nob Bikers! hahaha

So the Monlith can't get jink saves now.

Wyches and DE players got a small boost---you can actually assault the following turn after your transport is wrecked;

Q: If a unit disembarks from a destroyed vehicle during the enemy
turn, can it in the Assault phase of its own turn? (p80)
A: No, unless the vehicle in question was an Assault Vehicle.

So--I'm assuming they meant for this to cover wrecked vehicles as well?

 Brometheus wrote:
Oh no, nob/paladin abuse is gone.



Shame that your opponents might actually have some fun in friendly games.

It's not a hard list to beat if you play decently enough. Lots of raw firepower is scary at first, but then you realize that they're about as mobile as a glacier. The only people who couldn't beat a Paladin/Nob doublestar army were the ones who insisted on fighting them head-on.

One major problem that I have is not just that Paladins and Nobz got nerfed, but that they're not worth taking at all anymore.

 Dave_Fay wrote:
Since I'm one of the few templars players.

Q: Must the ‘Consolidate move’ towards the enemy for Righteous Zeal
be made in full? (p23)

A: Yes.

Q: Is the Abhor the Witch, Destroy the Witch vow taken instead of
normal Deny the Witch rolls? (p25)

A: Yes

Blarg...

It's hard to keep hope alive aint it.....they just keep making it tougher and tougher on the Templars.

Hmmmmm Fafnir, I would have to disagree (about their worth) but we can have that discussion another time/place. I think Paladins and Nobz still have a lot to offer.

Q: Can ork boarding planks, grabbin' klaws and wreckin' ballz target zooming flyers?
A: No

Well, that answers that bit of cheese.

Q: Does a Nemesis Dreadknight armed with a Nemesis greatsword have
4 Attacks at Strength 10 that, because of the Nemesis greatsword, can
re-roll To Hit, To Wound and Armour Penetration rolls?(p54)
A: Yes.

 Brometheus wrote:
Hmmmmm Fafnir, I would have to disagree (about their worth) but we can have that discussion another time/place. I think Paladins and Nobz still have a lot to offer.

Come talk in the GK tactics thread about it I'm having a hard time seeing the benefit of Paladins over Terminators at this point.

It's even worse when you consider that Tactical and Assault termies are better than GK termies too.

timetowaste85 wrote:

 crazyK wrote:
Some of these are funny.

Q: Do hits by Tau markerlights, or other items of wargear that cause
hits but do not inflict damage, require a Swooping Flying Monstrous
Creature to take a Grounded test. (p49)
A: Yes !

That's asinine. There are no other words to cover how stupid that is.

I disagree. They simplified a ruleset that could easily get stupidly complicated with new releases. Now your rule of thumb is that if it hits, you take the test. I'll take that over them having to clarify every single piece of equipment forever.

Reecius wrote:Holy crap, some of these are game changing....so long Nob Bikers! hahaha

I just bought and painted a full 1850 paladin list. I'm not even upset, the fact that they're updating the game every few months makes me super happy

 AgeOfEgos wrote:
So the Monlith can't get jink saves now.

Where did you read that? I didn't see that in the FAQ.

DA venerable dreads finally get BS5

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 AgeOfEgos wrote:
So the Monlith can't get jink saves now.

Where did you read that? I didn't see that in the FAQ.

"Page 83 – Skimmers, Special Rules.
Change this sentence to “Skimmers that are not also Heavy
Vehicles have the Jink special rule”."

furbyballer wrote:
Q: Does a Nemesis Dreadknight armed with a Nemesis greatsword have
4 Attacks at Strength 10 that, because of the Nemesis greatsword, can
re-roll To Hit, To Wound and Armour Penetration rolls?(p54)
A: Yes.

Oh yeah, no more choosing between the fist or the sword!

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 AgeOfEgos wrote:
So the Monlith can't get jink saves now.

Where did you read that? I didn't see that in the FAQ.

Heavy vehicles can't jink.

 Maelstrom808 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 AgeOfEgos wrote:
So the Monlith can't get jink saves now.

Where did you read that? I didn't see that in the FAQ.

"Page 83 – Skimmers, Special Rules.
Change this sentence to “Skimmers that are not also Heavy
Vehicles have the Jink special rule”."

Well, crap. That kinda sucks for the mono.
Now I have to think of another way of getting the damned thing to survive