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 pretre wrote:
It says auto-hits can be used with snap fire (overwatch, move and shoot) but not with shooting against flyers (a specific kind of snap fire).

It says you can't use auto-hits against flyers because they are snap-shots.

EDIT: Incubi are all AP2 now. Sweet. As are huskblades, giving them a better reason to exist.

Yeah, you could spend the rest of the day putting in the last post on a lot of YMDC threads.


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Pyrian wrote:

 pretre wrote:
It says auto-hits can be used with snap fire (overwatch, move and shoot) but not with shooting against flyers (a specific kind of snap fire).

It says you can't use auto-hits against flyers because they are snap-shots.

EDIT: Incubi are all AP2 now. Sweet.

Q: Does a weapon that hits automatically, still hit automatically when
making a Snap Shot? (p13)
A: Yes.

Q: How do maelstroms, novas and beams – or indeed any weapon
that doesn’t need to roll To Hit or hits automatically – interact with
Zooming Flyers and Gliding Flying Monstrous Creatures? (p13)
A: Only Snap Shots can hit Zooming Flyers and Gliding
Flying Monstrous Creatures. Therefore, any attacks that use
blast markers, templates, create a line of/area of effect or
otherwise don’t roll to hit cannot target them. This includes
weapons such as the Necron Doom Scythe’s death ray or the
Deathstrike missile of the Imperial Guard, and psychic
powers that follow the rule for maelstroms, beams, and
novas.

Fair enough, I see your point. I still think that it is clear, however, that auto-hits can be used for other types of snapfire unless specifically excluded (templates and blast). The first question also doesn't allow autohits to be snap fired, it just says that if they have some method of auto hitting than they still do. This would include some powers that have specific overwatch exemptions (Wall of Death template attacks, etc).

I think they dropped the ball with this one:

If a model makes a Pile In move which brings it into base contact with a model with a lash whip, does it then fight at its normal Initiative step or must it wait until the Initiative 1 step? (p83)
A: It fights at its normal Initiative 1 step.

Yes, check the necron FAQ. They accidentally pasted Initiative 1 into the Tyranid version.


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The necron one is right.

Happyjew wrote:
I think they dropped the ball with this one:

If a model makes a Pile In move which brings it into base contact with a model with a lash whip, does it then fight at its normal Initiative step or must it wait until the Initiative 1 step? (p83)
A: It fights at its normal Initiative 1 step.

It is also clarified in another spot in the Tyranid FAQ too.

Pretty cool.

Dreadknights are Str10 with rerolls to everything in melee if they have a Greatsword.

You can reembark into Night Scythes dispite them being a Zooming Flyer.

Not too happy about MSS activating Force Weapons. Thats just dumb.

I'm glad that any unit embarked on a transport that must come in from reserves (Drop Pods or Flyers) do not count for reserve totals.

LOL, why couldnt they have done this on a Monday. I have a tournament tomorrow and have to read all these FAQ's tonight

Print them and take them with you in case

 CrashCanuck wrote:
I'm glad that any unit embarked on a transport that must come in from reserves (Drop Pods or Flyers) do not count for reserve totals.

As I predicted, this will become the new kroot blocking off a full reserve army though.

Flyer Guy: "I reserve all of my units on flyers."
Me: "Okay, turn 1 I move nothing. Your turn."
Flyer Guy: "Okay, I'm all in reserve so move nothing."
Me: "Okay, I win. You want to play another?"

Well, the "nothing on the board at the end of the turn auto-lose" was always in there. I just think people didn't want to believe it.


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 pretre wrote:
Yeah, you could spend the rest of the day putting in the last post on a lot of YMDC threads.


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Pyrian wrote:

 pretre wrote:
It says auto-hits can be used with snap fire (overwatch, move and shoot) but not with shooting against flyers (a specific kind of snap fire).

It says you can't use auto-hits against flyers because they are snap-shots.

EDIT: Incubi are all AP2 now. Sweet.

Q: Does a weapon that hits automatically, still hit automatically when
making a Snap Shot? (p13)
A: Yes.

Q: How do maelstroms, novas and beams – or indeed any weapon
that doesn’t need to roll To Hit or hits automatically – interact with
Zooming Flyers and Gliding Flying Monstrous Creatures? (p13)
A: Only Snap Shots can hit Zooming Flyers and Gliding
Flying Monstrous Creatures. Therefore, any attacks that use
blast markers, templates, create a line of/area of effect or
otherwise don’t roll to hit cannot target them. This includes
weapons such as the Necron Doom Scythe’s death ray or the
Deathstrike missile of the Imperial Guard, and psychic
powers that follow the rule for maelstroms, beams, and
novas.

Fair enough, I see your point. I still think that it is clear, however, that auto-hits can be used for other types of snapfire unless specifically excluded (templates and blast). The first question also doesn't allow autohits to be snap fired, it just says that if they have some method of auto hitting than they still do. This would include some powers that have specific overwatch exemptions (Wall of Death template attacks, etc).

So hey, does this mean I can skyfire the tesla destructor and snap fire the death ray at ground targets now?

Do you have permission to shoot at two different targets?


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 Kevin949 wrote:
Well, the "nothing on the board at the end of the turn auto-lose" was always in there. I just think people didn't want to believe it.

Right, but now they made it very easy to do since people don't have to even put models on the board anymore.

Happyjew wrote:
So how many threads can we now close? At least Axe of Mortalis and Signum v Snap Shot (and Death Ray/Blood Lance v Snap Shot).

We can add the MSS/challenges, Sweep attacks vs. flyers (though that wasn't one of the big ones), Skyfiring flyers in hover mode (now a no no like I thought), Battle brothers joined to IG squads receiving orders, Initiative reduction timing (whip coils) only being when in contact at the start of the fight subphase, The death ray which you mentioned (plus that it cannot even hit if it has skyfire, doesn't make that distinction just that it cannot hit flyers), Tau target locks are back, and MSS CAN use the force special rule to the list.

 pretre wrote:
Do you have permission to shoot at two different targets?


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 Kevin949 wrote:
Well, the "nothing on the board at the end of the turn auto-lose" was always in there. I just think people didn't want to believe it.

Right, but now they made it very easy to do since people don't have to even put models on the board anymore.

Oh right, forgot about that bit for the doom scythe. Oh well.

 Kevin949 wrote:
Well, the "nothing on the board at the end of the turn auto-lose" was always in there. I just think people didn't want to believe it.


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 pretre wrote:
Yeah, you could spend the rest of the day putting in the last post on a lot of YMDC threads.


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Pyrian wrote:

 pretre wrote:
It says auto-hits can be used with snap fire (overwatch, move and shoot) but not with shooting against flyers (a specific kind of snap fire).

It says you can't use auto-hits against flyers because they are snap-shots.

EDIT: Incubi are all AP2 now. Sweet.

Q: Does a weapon that hits automatically, still hit automatically when
making a Snap Shot? (p13)
A: Yes.

Q: How do maelstroms, novas and beams – or indeed any weapon
that doesn’t need to roll To Hit or hits automatically – interact with
Zooming Flyers and Gliding Flying Monstrous Creatures? (p13)
A: Only Snap Shots can hit Zooming Flyers and Gliding
Flying Monstrous Creatures. Therefore, any attacks that use
blast markers, templates, create a line of/area of effect or
otherwise don’t roll to hit cannot target them. This includes
weapons such as the Necron Doom Scythe’s death ray or the
Deathstrike missile of the Imperial Guard, and psychic
powers that follow the rule for maelstroms, beams, and
novas.

Fair enough, I see your point. I still think that it is clear, however, that auto-hits can be used for other types of snapfire unless specifically excluded (templates and blast). The first question also doesn't allow autohits to be snap fired, it just says that if they have some method of auto hitting than they still do. This would include some powers that have specific overwatch exemptions (Wall of Death template attacks, etc).

So hey, does this mean I can skyfire the tesla destructor and snap fire the death ray at ground targets now?

No since you have to fire the Tesla at one of the Targets hit by the Death ray

Fragile wrote:

No since you have to fire the Tesla at one of the Targets hit by the Death ray

Yup...so I'll save my 75 points if I want an answer to flyers and just take a night scythe. *Sigh*

Grey Templar wrote:Not too happy about MSS activating Force Weapons. Thats just dumb.

I suspect they update FAQs for more than a single player, as it were. I for one am quite happy they clarified it, and further so in accordance with my beliefs on how it worked from the beginning.

Looks like Hunting Lances got cleared up.

Oh, and Russes are now "Heavy". Now that is interesting.

Ever wonder if there is a GW employee who just lurks the YMDC forum in order to figure out what they should FAQ or not?

 Kevin949 wrote:

Fragile wrote:

No since you have to fire the Tesla at one of the Targets hit by the Death ray

Yup...so I'll save my 75 points if I want an answer to flyers and just take a night scythe. *Sigh*

What is it to sigh about? The Doom Scythe would be utterly broken, imbalanced, overpowered and so on if it would work as you wanted it to. This is good for the game, since Necrons are as broken as they are atm.

And now units can assault in their turn after having their assault vehicle-transport destroyed in the opponents turn. Another case where the rulebook said clearly one thing, but the author meant another...

Ohh another one, there will be no more squads of Paladin, Nob, Wolf guard characters running around making use of Look out Sir to be a juggernaut unit.

 Lone Dragoon wrote:
Ohh another one, there will be no more squads of Paladin, Nob, Wolf guard characters running around making use of Look out Sir to be a juggernaut unit.

Our gaming group allready "house ruled" this as it has been FAQd... nice

 Neorealist wrote:
Ever wonder if there is a GW employee who just lurks the YMDC forum in order to figure out what they should FAQ or not?

Probably. GW are a lot more aware of rules log-jams than they used to be. "The community" has a habit of taking tiny problems and deciding they're game-breaking, then blaming GW for not fixing them.

They did a good job of addressing questions, I just don't like how they answered some of them.

The point is we now have answers for almost all the questions that came up since 6th.

A little upset that they didn't clarify the Night Scythe Str10 hit on death question >.<

it's in the main FAQ; basically they updated the 'Jink' special rule to not include vehicles with the type 'Heavy' even if they are skimmers.

Damn my edit was too slow, I saw it right after I poseted! Oh well, ty for the clarification regardless =)

One I did not see is "What is considered Unique?"