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codemonkey wrote:
Aren't Infantry tokens being added to DW in the new campaign book? I smell variant rule: Whenever an infantry token makes an attack against another infantry token, instead of making the attack begin a game of DL.

Also just noticed that an infantry unit that sees a friendly unit or officer die has to make a morale test. Seems like a good rule to me, adds a bit of realism that soldiers are less likely to hang around if they see their mates or commanders getting killed in droves, even if they're not from the same unit.

You've got to be kidding me, a Dys Wars game can be painfully long as it is

I think the new DL stuff looks cool, how can you not like those SteamBikes.

codemonkey wrote:

 doc1234 wrote:
Whats so bad about exploding 6s?

Also looks confirmed, full pewter infantry, except the hussars who have resin smoke collumns and the tutonic knights who are resin+pewter (im guessing in a similar way to the metzgar)

I think some people disliked the randomness of "I rolled 7 sixes, exploded more, and sunk your battleship with a frigate!" being a possibility. Personally, I never really minded, as the probability of that actually happening is extremely low. (My presonal gripe with FSA was the crit table, with 2 of the results being instant-gib. Hope that doesn't return for Ironclads in DL.)

Personally, I like the look of the rules. A bit more faction differentiation than I saw from other spartan offerings, what looks like a pretty tight ruleset, great models. I like the alternating activations system, although I'm not sure about having to decide the order you activate in beforehand. Originally I was looking at Britannia, but those Prussian Teutonic Knights...(I know Britannian Knights are in the pipe, but I'm not nearly that patient).

Either way, I'm going to see if I can drum up enough enthusiasm in my local gaming group to get some people to buy starter boxes and get this game off the ground.

Haha each to their own, that mechanics led to some hilarity in our group, especially our resident FSA player, he never got over the orkish mindset from when he played 40k Also check the quickrules, it says each ironclads getting its own damage table (by the sounds of it you normally role D3, but "can opener" MAR gives you D6, so my moneys on a smaller version of theDW crit table with some "no effects" thrown in.)

Im half and half over the preplanned activations, guessing some of the star cards will affect it "you wanted to use your ninjas next activation? To the bottom of the deck they go".

Sigmundr- Dont forget the character and unit specific cards too

The new units they put into pre orders look nice, americas getting a clock-o-dile and prussia and japan aer getting mad scientists Plus everyones getting light ironclads or bikes

rocketboy wrote:
I think the new DL stuff looks cool, how can you not like those SteamBikes.

I definitely prefer my good ole treadbikes.

Yep, did forget those. Stats wise, it also feels like they are trying to make each nation feel more different. FSA has a lot of longer range infantry weapons, where as Blazing sun are all in-your-face.


I'm digging it.

codemonkey wrote:
Aren't Infantry tokens being added to DW in the new campaign book? I smell variant rule: Whenever an infantry token makes an attack against another infantry token, instead of making the attack begin a game of DL.

Also just noticed that an infantry unit that sees a friendly unit or officer die has to make a morale test. Seems like a good rule to me, adds a bit of realism that soldiers are less likely to hang around if they see their mates or commanders getting killed in droves, even if they're not from the same unit.

That would be quite the game if fought to full scale! Each infantry token in DW represents a regiment, which is traditionally about 1,000 men. That's a lot of 28mm figures .

A lot of 35mm to 40mm figures too!

 Ruckdog wrote:

codemonkey wrote:
Aren't Infantry tokens being added to DW in the new campaign book? I smell variant rule: Whenever an infantry token makes an attack against another infantry token, instead of making the attack begin a game of DL.

Also just noticed that an infantry unit that sees a friendly unit or officer die has to make a morale test. Seems like a good rule to me, adds a bit of realism that soldiers are less likely to hang around if they see their mates or commanders getting killed in droves, even if they're not from the same unit.

That would be quite the game if fought to full scale! Each infantry token in DW represents a regiment, which is traditionally about 1,000 men. That's a lot of 28mm figures .

Internet, consider yourself officially challenged!

Was not really into this game. I have played DW, and, it isnt close to the top of proffered games to play. Then last night I saw the starter boxes, and WOW! They are nice and once you figure out how to assemble them, it is a nice product. The price seemed a bit high to me at first. Upon inspecting the context, it has all you need. Noneed to buy a rule book, codex, and then an army. It is all in one box. Very convenient.

I have just ordered the american starter box through my supplier in Namba, like the setting of the world sofar.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
I have just ordered the american starter box through my supplier in Namba, like the setting of the world sofar.

The starter boxes are a pretty good value and they give you the basics that you need to play. Your going to be suprised by just how much that starter box weighs.

Finally got my Prussians built!

Paint coming soon!

 Catyrpelius wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
I have just ordered the american starter box through my supplier in Namba, like the setting of the world sofar.

The starter boxes are a pretty good value and they give you the basics that you need to play. Your going to be suprised by just how much that starter box weighs.

Though looking at the new Veteran unit sets, if they're releasing them as a full squad blister the starter vet units are going to be weirdly sized as they all have new additions (bow ninjas, what looks like a knight NCO, FSA machinegun wolves)

So are these mostly all metal? It'd be nice if the new artillery was resin cause I'd pick a few of them up for 40k....

 Hulksmash wrote:
So are these mostly all metal? It'd be nice if the new artillery was resin cause I'd pick a few of them up for 40k....

The troops are normally metal, exception being larger pieces like the hussars (resin smokestacks with metal hussars), the knights (all resin with i think metal options/dropons). Basically anything large is resin, so I would expect the new field guns to be resin with maybe a few metal pieces.

Well, the HMG's are all metal. The tiny tanks are resin with metal treads and bits.

I'd think the field guns will actually be closest to the HMG's, so will probably be metal.

Thanks to mini wargaming, I finally got a prussian starter (I waited too long and couldn't get an empire starter). I have to say I'm really happy with the models so far. Have them all assembled and ready to play. Going through the rules and hope to get in some games soon. I wish this game would take off locally. I really love spartan games, but they are having a devil of a time gaining traction in the pacific NW it seems.

In fairness DW and the like saw a bit more popularity as lets face it, other than BFG (even thats pushing it being specialist) there aren't all THAT many games currently being supported like them. DL's problem is it's now in the deep end of the pool competing with every other 28mm wargame. Lots of big competition.

I'm somewhat surprised I haven't heard of people using the Dystopian Legion tanks as 40k stand-ins....

The DL tanks are a fairly recent addition remember.

I've noticed that usually any news posts get a follow-up of "Could I use this for X in 40k?"

These are almost a lock as the steampunk styling is surprisingly close to ImpGuard styling, although I'd prefer to see some 'techy' bits added (even if its just standard-looking lasguns on racks) if they're used for 40k. That's just my opinion, though.

True, i guess it is a little surprising. Same with the field guns and heavy machine guns from it too.

 Balance wrote:
I'm somewhat surprised I haven't heard of people using the Dystopian Legion tanks as 40k stand-ins....

It isn't too surprising actually - they're too big!

And/or too skinny?

Unless you make an entire army out of them... maybe?

Alpharius- He specified using the tanks in 40k. The infantry models are 32mm to the eye so are a head taller than 40k models, but the tanks are not necessarily as obviously off-sized.

Personally while playing a game I don't notice much difference between using my 40k and Dystopian Legions infantry mixed up. The 40k models are stockier than the Legions models so when looked at from a higher perspective they all seem to blend in.

The problem with Balance's idea for the use of the tanks is because the actual tanks are not available yet for Dystopian Legions.
Currently the Britannian and Prussian tankettes have been released as well as all of the factions APC's. The tankettes are truly tiny models with potentially the only use as a proxy would be as an IG sentinel, although they're probably even to small for that.
The APC's in Dystopian Legions are an interesting bunch. The problem is that they are much more realisitically sized than 40k's APC's. I have some pictures comparing my Prussian and FSA APC's with both IG Chimera's and SM Rhino's. The FSA APC is a beautiful model, and very much in scale with many real-world APC's, but very small compared to the Chimera. It is just a hair narrower than the Rhino, the same length, and slightly taller at the passenger cabin.
The thing is the Rhino is expected to carry ten 8ft tall Space Marines fully clad in inches of bulky ceramite armor with massive guns. The passenger compartment of the FSA Patriot APC only carries seven regular unarmored humans, one controlling the gun turret.

The "Small" tanks will be coming out for the FSA and Prussians by the end of the month. These were shown at last years Gencon, but there is no good information about the actual size of the models. BoLS stated they were at least the size of a Land Raider, from the pictures from the rule book I am guessing the Prussian tank is somewhere between the size of a Leman Russ and a Land Raider, although it is difficult to tell based on the perspectives.


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 Brother Glacius wrote:
Thanks to mini wargaming, I finally got a prussian starter (I waited too long and couldn't get an empire starter). I have to say I'm really happy with the models so far. Have them all assembled and ready to play. Going through the rules and hope to get in some games soon. I wish this game would take off locally. I really love spartan games, but they are having a devil of a time gaining traction in the pacific NW it seems.

Brother Glacius, I've been following Dystopian Legions since they first announced it and playing it since the moment they actually released it. Currently there are only three other people I know who really have the models around me. The only person I can regularly play against has Prussians, another person only rarely is available yet has both Britannians and Prussians, and the other person is the manager of our LGS who has EotBS. Because he is constantly working I have never had a chance to face his army though.

I think this game is extremely fun, yet I think it will only get much better as more variety in the factions become available. Up until now the options have been very limited, with only a regular infantry unit, an elite unit, and a mobile unit has been available. Now ironclads are coming out, they have heavy machine guns, and field artillery actually is giving tactical and strategic options to vary up games more.

I think the activation mechanic is wonderful for facilitating strategic planning throughout the turn as well as creative thought because you have limited abilities to modify your order of activation after the turn starts yet must figure out how to react to and mitigate your opponents strategy.

I also love the game cards making it where your opponent will always be able to act or react in ways that you cannot predict, which makes it to where all the players must be able to be robust enough in their planning to allow for unexpectedly tough, powerful, or mobile enemies.

roadkizzle wrote:
Alpharius- He specified using the tanks in 40k. The infantry models are 32mm to the eye so are a head taller than 40k models, but the tanks are not necessarily as obviously off-sized.

Right you are - sorry about that!\

I guess my own disappointment over the infantry scale size clouded my view here...