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**H.B.M.C.**

Therion, please. The Zombie Dragon is enormous, much like the this new Dragon thing. The Rapier is nothing like a Land Raider. Don’t make false comparisons.

**psychadelicmime**

Imma have to buy some warp talons even though I play vanilla marines.... Or I might just start a nurgle army >

**Chaos Santa**

Going to have to wait and see the stats on those beauties but I feel like I'm going to get a couple.

They will make my new CSM army just what I need.

**BunkerBob**

Now I have to figure out how the sons can fit those planes in. I am confuzed.

**Etna's Vassal**

100% chance I'm going to buy and Nurgle-ify that Dragon model. It is soooo sweet looking.

**timetowaste85**

New raptors look pretty bad ass-full of detail, but no overly busy. Okay, got the good out of the way. I think the walkers look goofy, the one looks like the body of a bloodcrusher, head of a Skaven, and the pipes on the back look Slaaneshi-what the hell kind of orgy is going on in its body? Second walker having a head that matches the arms? Eh...pass (conversions could look cool though). Dragon...I don't like it. I can't put my finger down on what I don't like, just that I don't. Warsmith looks WAY too busy of a model-I can't tell what I'm looking at. The picture sucks, but I reserve judgement as the model can be quite a bit clearer. The walkers don't need to be clearer-they get a 'fail' in my book.

Even though I don't like them, both walkers look 1000x better than the GK babycarriage.

**pretre**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Therion, please. The Zombie Dragon is enormous, much like the this new Dragon thing. The Rapier is nothing like a Land Raider. Don’t make false comparisons.

This! You have no idea of whether it will be a size difference or even close to MFA until we actually see it. Either way, I'm betting the zombie dragon is bigger which is a disadvantage for flyers.

**Therion**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Therion, please.

You haven't been paying attention to the rules discussions in 6th I guess. The modern day gamer believes there's no such thing as MFA so anything goes, and each time I see anyone say they'll use X as Y I can't help but shudder.

Regarding the actual topic, I think the new models are okay-ish, and CSM players should be happy that they can just buy a ton of the DV sets, sell the DA crap and the extra rulebooks and get a new army at a bargain price (if they're willing to convert foot
models at all).

pretre wrote:This!

You do realise that replying 'This' competes only with '+1' for the dumbest thing you could have written, don't you?

**Yodhrin**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
The new direction looks hella-goofy.

No kidding.

What were they thinking?

I'm still not seeing this apparently massive gulf in design ethos between this stuff and the FW Daemon Engines/Soulgrinder/Helbrute. I mean seriously, put more rounded plating on the Decimator and there would be no difference at all.

**Phydox**

Without reading through 20+ pages, can someone recap how dragons tie in with Chaos Space Marines?

**MajorTom11**

Daemon Engine... some such...

**Therion**

Yodhrin wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
The new direction looks hella-goofy.

No kidding.

What were they thinking?

I'm still not seeing this apparently massive gulf in design ethos between this stuff and the FW Daemon Engines/Soulgrinder/Helbrute. I mean seriously, put more rounded plating on the Decimator and there would be no difference at all.

Part of the problem in the Forge- and Maulerfiend models is the terrible paint job. Purposefully making the trims stand out that much simply doesn't work. They also have a lot of completely out of place and goofy spiky bitz sprinkled in random places 'just because'. With a little bit of tune-up they'll be better. I agree that stylistically they fit the Chaos range just fine.

**Arschbombe**

ashrog wrote:

Although, am I the only one concerned that the codex will be filled with Hellbrutes and Helldrakes, armed with Hellcannons and Hellfists, led by the new special character Hades Hellborn?

Hell no, you're not the only one. The IG lost their Hellguns after all...

**pretre**

Therion wrote:

pretre wrote:This!

You do realise that replying 'This' competes only with '+1' for the dumbest thing you could have written, don't you?

You do realize that only quoting one word out of context and ignoring the rest completely misses the point, don't you?

**ph34r**

Yodhrin wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
The new direction looks hella-goofy.

No kidding.

What were they thinking?

I'm still not seeing this apparently massive gulf in design ethos between this stuff and the FW Daemon Engines/Soulgrinder/Helbrute. I mean seriously, put more rounded plating on the Decimator and there would be no difference at all.

Did you miss the part where it looks like they mashed a FW daemon engine and a Dark Eldar talos together? What's up with the random fleshy stuff on these new/bad daemon engines?

**Brometheus**

You guys can take that shat outside instead of arguing here

**Waaagh_Gonads**

I saw pics of the Forgefiend a couple weeks ago and helped assemble one on the weekend.
I was hoping for more of a warhound titan (mini) look than what it ended up with.

The warsmith is a crazy, busy model.

This is the first I had seen the dragon, but had been told it was going to be a bugger to paint, and seeing it now it looks like it will.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

Phydox wrote:
Without reading through 20+ pages, can someone recap how dragons tie in with Chaos Space Marines?

Dragon are all like RAAAAAWR!!!!! and Chaos Space Marines are all like RAAAAAWR!!!!! and then they totally headbutt each other andEXTREME!!!!!!!!!

**Waaagh_Gonads**

Daemon engines.

I'd personally have liked planes enmasse but these will make excellent giant ninja stars, and if you can work out a way to have a 2nd head, an excellent parrody of the Imperial Aquilla.

**Lockark**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Therion, please. The Zombie Dragon is enormous, much like the this new Dragon thing. The Rapier is nothing like a Land Raider. Don’t make false comparisons.

Well you are right that it's huge, and from what I've seen I'm prety sure the plastic zombie dragon is bigger then this new flyier.

But unless you put it on one of thows huge flier bases sticking it up in the air, their is potential shenanigans that can be caused what with T.L.O.S. I think it's something worth keeping in mind anyway.

**H.B.M.C.**

Therion wrote:
You haven't been paying attention to the rules discussions in 6th I guess. The modern day gamer believes there's no such thing as MFA so anything goes, and each time I see anyone say they'll use X as Y I can't help but shudder.

Of course that wasn’t at all the point I was making, and you know that. I was pointing out the false comparison you made Zombie Dragon/Chaos Dragon vs Land Raider/Rapier, when clearly – clearly the Zombie Dragon and Chaos Dragon have similarities in size and using one for the other is hardly going to be MFA.

Comparing that to a Rapier/Land Raider swap is disingenuous. The two are nothing alike.

**Amaya**

haroon wrote:That dragon makes my chaos begin to grow.

loled

I saw the dragon and jaw dropped. Guess I'm the only one though.

Vladsimpaler wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Dragon thing... it's ok. Not my fav model in the world, but then again neither is the Soulgrinder and I have no problems with that thing.

The Forgefiend is certainly the better of the two ground-based kits. I still don't like it though. I, like a lot of people, wanted a plastic Dread kit (or even a plastic hybrid Dread/Hellbrute kit). Instead we got a Bone Jack mixed with a Dinobot.

The Maulerfiend is just terrible. Not since the Baby Carrier have they made a model this aweful. People saying that it's "just like a Jugger" are missing the point. Look at a Jugger. Look at its head specifically. It's all hard angles and straight lines. This Derpfiend just doesn't look Chaos-y. You'd almost be forgiven for calling it a DE construct.

The Warpsmith has a really stupid name, but that's about it. I'll need a better look at it before I'm 100% sold on it, but right now Chaos Techmarine = AWESOMEZ!!! for me, so I like it.

The fancy Raptors? Meh. They're just fancy Raptors. I'd've rather plastic versions of the current Raptors.

And it's also comforting to know that when push came to shove, pretre dropped the facade of being a balanced rumour-shepherd and just started attacking anyone who didn't instantly fall over in love with these new models...

Honestly right now I'm more excited for your review of this new Chaos codex than I am for the actual Chaos codex.

Even if I don't agree with him HBMC's sarcastic wit and observations are hilarious.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Vladsimpaler wrote:
Honestly right now I'm more excited for your review of this new Chaos codex than I am for the actual Chaos codex.

That all depends on the Codex. I was all set to do a review of the Guard Codex when it came out, but that book was so dull that it basically killed my interest in the Guard for quite some time. And, again, I was all ready to go with Grey Knights, but that book was so soul-crushingly terrible that I just couldn't do it.

You really should though. I think you're funny at least.

Overall, I like the direction of the pictures and like many other people reacted to it as "wow GW is finally making Chaos Space Marines instead of Spiky Marines." I for one welcome our new Chaos Overlords.

**Texx**

Hm, it just occurred to me that I think the dragon flyer is going to be pretty easy to get cover....
"Oh i only need 25% of my hull covered? well good thing both of my wings are behind these couple trees"

**ChiliPowderKeg**

Taking some more looks at the Maulerfiend.

For some reason Beast Machines keeps popping up.

**Charax**

I actually prefer the maulerfiend to the forgefiend, if I need a forgefiend I'll probably stick the mauler's front legs and head on it, and mount the weapons on the back, biovore-style.

Dragon's a bit meh, really. it looks kind of small and not very poseable, which would be disappointing. I was planning on converting one out of Tyranid parts and a lot of wire, and this hasn't done anything to persuade me the official model would be better (might take the head though)

Warpsmith would be top of my to-buy list if it was in metal, but as plastic or finecast? I'd rather convert one.

Warp Talons are ugly, there's not a single element of their design I like

**Sephyr**

Can't decide if you'd rather build a Warhammer Fantasy or Warhammer 40K army? Split the difference and play Chaos Marines!

And no, I don't think that is a bad thing!

**H.B.M.C.**

The Maulerfiend just looks like a big beast wearing armour. That's never been the aesthetic of Chaos.

**Brometheus**

I think it looks like a Contra 3 monster. You know, that turtle in the first level.

**Laars**

New Chaos looks like it should be fighting the Power Rangers.

**Typus666**

The only thing that I feel the dragon is missing is a tail looks like its kinda unbalanced.