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Wow if the rest of the range is anything like these models, I might seriously think of playing 40k again

Mmm I'm not a big fan if the dragon. I don't know what it is really, to much dragon and not enough machine maybe. I like the Dinobots though. I don't care if you don't like the name either. It's stuck in my head now. I like the warp smith too.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Maulerfiend just looks like a big beast wearing armour. That's never been the aesthetic of Chaos.

Closer to what you are looking for?

Which the maulerfiend kinda looks like, with the metal tubes going down the neck and all.

The Warp Talons are enough for me to consider buying a small Chaos force. My god they are beautiful.

I can only hope the new flyer is affordable because I want at least 2 of them.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Closer to what you are looking for?

Which the maulerfiend kinda looks like, with the metal tubes going down the neck and all.

The Destroyer looks like a Daemon Engine - an engine inhabited by a Daemon. The Maulerfiend looks like a big beasty thing wearing armour.

Skinless2 wrote:
I can only hope the new flyer is affordable...

lol

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Maulerfiend just looks like a big beast wearing armour. That's never been the aesthetic of Chaos.

Closer to what you are looking for?

Which the maulerfiend kinda looks like, with the metal tubes going down the neck and all.

All the people posting this is actually kinda making me want one of these, rather then the new stuff.

Well I know I'm not alone when I say I don't like the new chaos figs.... That dragon is epic fail.

Was really pleased with the Dark Vengeance CSM art direction, but that dragon is just silly. Who the hell is making these Dreadknights/Dragons/Stormravens?

Well, rules aside (as some of us are just happy to get new rules anyway (and shiny new models)), Im seriously painting up a Night Lords army and include those Warp talons. They are way cool. Forget if the rules are not perfect, to just paint them and play with them will be epic. Im not a power gamer, never willbe, and thus I enjoy it even if I loose. Its nice to not wanting/needing to be competitive.

Ooh this has gotten me excited.
But I'm guessing Warp Talons can't take special weapons (flasmas, plasmaguns, etc)?
If so, , if not
The universe shall fall either way...

So.. the brass scorpion doesn't look like an animal at all, either?

Come on... this has been the chaos style for some time, it's actually quite retro if you go back and look at all the old Epic Chaos stuff.

I like how they're giving Chaos some unique styling and sculpts rather than "grab X marine thing and add spikes" that has been the default for too long.

It would be nice to have a codex just plain called "Chaos" like there was in 2nd edition... just one big book of insanity from start to finish and tons of units.

That's what chaos should be about, a massive variety of absolutely bizzare and non-coherent units, it's all in the name!

Raumkampfer wrote:
Was really pleased with the Dark Vengeance CSM art direction, but that dragon is just silly. Who the hell is making these Dreadknights/Dragons/Stormravens?

Jes Goodwin when he's hung over would be my guess. Some people throw up in a toilet, he does it in 3d sculpture form.

 Starfarer wrote:
If you want a larger Blight Drone flyer, perhaps try your hand at something like this. I have a feeling if the rules for these units are good, us Nurgle players may be better served creating entirely unique kits bashes that fit the Nurgle theme better.

Thanks to you I have found my plans for my version of that derpy dragon-flier.

Thank you. Thank you very much. And since the dragon-flier is apparantly a daemon-engine making it a giant robo-fly works!

Edit: Seriously. I now want actual leaks about units. I want to know if Dark Apostles are in so I can start my three for my FW Nurgle army (other than Typhus and the Daemons they'll be the only non-FW models in the army!)

 scarletsquig wrote:
So.. the brass scorpion doesn't look like an animal at all, either?

Come on... this has been the chaos style for some time, it's actually quite retro if you go back and look at all the old Epic Chaos stuff.

I like how they're giving Chaos some unique styling and sculpts rather than "grab X marine thing and add spikes" that has been the default for too long.

No. It doesn't. And it isn't.

The Brass Scorpion is mechanical, with big plates of armour and hinges and metal spikes and gun barrels and claws. It's underside is a mess of cabling and the odd corpse sticking out. It's a mechanical construction inhabited by a Daemon. Ditto for the Blight Drone. The Blood Slaughterer. The Decimator. The Defiler. And so on. The Epic Daemon Engines? They were all giant tanks (in the case of Khorne), wooden contraptions with flesh stretched across them (Nurgle), flying metallic birds (Tzeentch) or giant robot walker thingies (Slaanesh). Even the Soul Grinder makes sense, because it's basically an 'unbound Defiler', with obvious mechanical origins and a daemon melded from the waist down.

The Maulerfiend is a big xeno-creature wearing weird armour. It is nothing like the rest. Even the Dragon fits more with Chaos than the Maulerfiend.

 scarletsquig wrote:
It would be nice to have a codex just plain called "Chaos" like there was in 2nd edition... just one big book of insanity from start to finish and tons of units.

That's what chaos should be about, a massive variety of absolutely bizzare and non-coherent units, it's all in the name!

You remember 2nd Ed differently to me. 2nd Ed is where "Marines w/Spikes" got started. It's where we first got the Terminators with the trophy racks, the spiky add-ons for vehicles, and so on.

I think part of the issue I have with the Forge/Maulerfiend is the shortcut of emphasising the organic aspect of the daemon engine. I really always imagined individuals/servitors that were nearby or sacrificed to construct these entities would have been shown in some small areas of the model. What I am referencing is essentially something similar to what Forgeworld did with the Brass Scorpion and Blood Slaughterer models:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/AlternativeFW/xlarge/bslaughtererp4.jpg
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/AlternativeFW/xlarge/brasss5.jpg

The cabling in the neck area on the maulerfiend looks like they could have done a better job to emphasize this, as it looks to be modeled very similar to the cables on the Hellbrute, which have an organic covering.

This is going to come off as a bit snarky but I’m seeing a recurring Matt Ward style nomenclature that does not impress me.

WARPfiend
WARPsmith
WARPtalons
forgeFIEND
maulerFIEND

I cannot wait to see the wargear section, here are my bets:
WARPstrike missles
WARPaxe of FIENDness
WARPfeeder (2h varierty)
WARPblast Pistols
WARPFIEND mauler Armor (Now with a 2+ save!)

My guess the dragon is a WARPFIEND or dragonFIEND or WARPdragon. Place your bets here folks.

Yeah, WARP or HELL are going to be our pre-fixes in this book.

My Hellbrute is going to have a Hellmaw Cannon and Hellfists, whilst my Warpfiends bring out their Warpclaws and Warp Blaster Cannons. And you can probably take Hellwarp Grenades on your characters.

I don't like the look of ANY of the new models.. except maybe the warpsmith, he looks decent. And yet all the chaos stuff in DV was all kinds of hoofing!

Its weird.. maybe the one hand doesn't talk to the other?

Either way, they should give the guy who sculpted the chaos in DV a raise and a hearty back slap, and they should fire the bloke who made that dragon thing and put him to work on Tyranids.

Warboss Gubbinz wrote:
This is going to come off as a bit snarky but I’m seeing a recurring Matt Ward style nomenclature that does not impress me.

WARPfiend
WARPsmith
WARPtalons
forgeFIEND
maulerFIEND

I cannot wait to see the wargear section, here are my bets:
WARPstrike missles
WARPaxe of FIENDness
WARPfeeder (2h varierty)
WARPblast Pistols
WARPFIEND mauler Armor (Now with a 2+ save!)

My guess the dragon is a WARPFIEND or dragonFIEND or WARPdragon. Place your bets here folks.

I agree, I hope GW stops this nonsense naming policy, as I don't think people are so thick that they would be confused if the units from their codex didn't have the same prefix.

On the other hand, I can see why GW doens't want all these leaks. People here are complaining way too much about small or upsized blurry phone pictures taken from a magazine.
A good solution could be to put the new pictures up on their website when they ship out WD, to avoid all this ranting over poor pictures.

It's a hobby, so I think people should relax a bit more for their own good. Simply sit down, take it easy, and wait with all the jugding untill you have the new WD in your hands.

I personally love the idea of the dragon, but it being cut in half... :|
Same for the fiends, except to me they look too fleshy and not metalically enough, I prefer my CSM Daemon Engines to be covered in metal with little flesh and my Daemon Daemon Engines to look like CSM Daemon Engine gone wrong

All that stuff is dope!... I have stayed away from G.W. for along time but Now I just might start playing again... I hope the basic infantry box gets a rework the new style of helm is refreshing. from the warp talons and the vengence box seems to be the trend...

I hope we get plastic plague marines...

I'd love to get some details on all the new weapons and wargear in this book.

 Therion wrote:

Using a zombie dragon as the CSM dragon

I'm going to use a rapier laser destroyer as a Land Raider, because MFA is just a house rule.

If you had read the entire discussion about using the zombie dragon you'd have seen us adress problems of size differences and getting it on a flying stand. Even if not, which seems to be the case, your comparison is still silly

Someone may have already pointed this out, but...

Chaos can really be anything you want it to be, they have Dark Mechanicus, but wan't there a Bioligis part of that institution as well, am sure that in the HH book about the Mechanicus split they had a whole 'cupboard under the stairs' of bizarre hybrid machines / creatures / machine-creatures.

If you like the rules but not the models, buy a toy dog, stick some spikes, antennae and guns on it and call it what ever the hell you want. Chaos is random! If you want Spikey Marines that are all uniform, do that instead.

I like the new direction if not some of the models, but you can't argue about aesthetics in regard to something that by it's very nature is random!

This is what pops up in my mind when I look at these new Deamon engines.

http://youtu.be/iEHLTuoGaVI

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
So.. the brass scorpion doesn't look like an animal at all, either?

Come on... this has been the chaos style for some time, it's actually quite retro if you go back and look at all the old Epic Chaos stuff.

I like how they're giving Chaos some unique styling and sculpts rather than "grab X marine thing and add spikes" that has been the default for too long.

No. It doesn't. And it isn't.

The Brass Scorpion is mechanical, with big plates of armour and hinges and metal spikes and gun barrels and claws. It's underside is a mess of cabling and the odd corpse sticking out. It's a mechanical construction inhabited by a Daemon. Ditto for the Blight Drone. The Blood Slaughterer. The Decimator. The Defiler. And so on. The Epic Daemon Engines? They were all giant tanks (in the case of Khorne), wooden contraptions with flesh stretched across them (Nurgle), flying metallic birds (Tzeentch) or giant robot walker thingies (Slaanesh). Even the Soul Grinder makes sense, because it's basically an 'unbound Defiler', with obvious mechanical origins and a daemon melded from the waist down.

The Maulerfiend is a big xeno-creature wearing weird armour. It is nothing like the rest. Even the Dragon fits more with Chaos than the Maulerfiend.

I have to disagree. Between the Bloodcrusher/juggernaught, Blight Drone, and Soul Grinder there is established precedent for "daemon creature plus mechanical equals daemon engine". While I don't think its the best choices I don't think its a baseless one either.

The "Blight Drone" its whole bottom side is a creature, its a creature with armor and engines strapped on:

The bloodcrusher/juggernaught is also daemon with mechanical enhancements and armor.


Aesthetically the soulgrinder is a "creature" melded to the defiler chassis... we don't know the origins of these new ones and they have a heavy amount of mechanization as well.

Like them or not there is a basis, even if they aren't previously predominant aethetics. GW's clearly pushing Chaos in the directions of a more organic look and these relative to the old epic daemon engines is clear sign of it. That said, most of the old epic daemon engines sucked. I'm not a big fan of the Defiler but it was clearly a move in the right direction away from the epic minis.

The divide in opinion boils down to "which came first..." the daemon or the machine. If you believe the machine than you're disapointed. If you believe it can be the daemon, than you're not. I tend to believe with all the forms of heretical research there is no reason some of Dark Mehcanicum would design a machine to bind a daemon and others a machine to enslave a daemon. My issue is that it diminishes the concept to have all these others this way. It goes from the predominant case being that of Chaos marine sorcerers overpowering daemons on some ethereal level with help from the gods themselves to bind daemons to constructs to being reduced to the forced physical servitude of the large greater-than-greater daemon sized daemons. It just over simplifies something thats alot more epic. I like the Forgefiend and I think this is leaps and bounds better than if GW had simply given us a new variant of an imperial chassis vehicle and I actually think it comes off as being alot more just a machine than the other models. I think this divide in appeal will help FW sell some Decimator and blood-slaughterer kits. While I always thought it'd be cool to see more in the way of a daemon + machine daemon engine, I think the real disappointment for me is the Helldrake... that should have been a little more conventional.

I actually like the new CSM miniatures. Before, they were pretty much loyalists with spikes, but now they have a sort of organic and corrupted aesthestic. It kinda reminds me a bit of the Darkness or Spawn.

...Ok, I do have to admit however that the warp talons look a tad like Lord Zed. Not by much, but you could draw some similarities. I think it was completely by accident though.

Laars wrote:
New Chaos looks like it should be fighting the Power Rangers.

Then you're gonna LOVE the new aesthetic when they unveil the new Codex: Eldar!