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Everyone check the first post. Updated with rules.

i have been told and am led to belive the starter box will cost £70

its a shame really guess im just gonna have to wait till eldar get done as im not buying this dinobot stuff maybe a few figures to paint, and £30 for the codex not a chance looks like i will be starting my menoth list or fw horus heresy

i really wanted to see new units to replace the old ones( thousand sons, beserkers, death guard and noise marines)

i understand every one has there own veiws and no one person is right (maybe the emperor)
but if you want to do a non chaos god list like a fluff based night lords your screwed everything looks like deamons

 blood reaper wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
After looking over some of the leaked White Dwarf pics, it looks like the codex is 29 Euros, not 39.

You need new glasses

Well, the best I can see is 29, not 39, so we'll just have to wait.

But if the codex is thirty pounds, I'm puttin' on mah Pirate hat.

"Yar."

The new codex's price will be 39 Euros:

Minx wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
After looking over some of the leaked White Dwarf pics, it looks like the codex is 29 Euros, not 39.

You need new glasses

Well, the best I can see is 29, not 39, so we'll just have to wait.

But if the codex is thirty pounds, I'm puttin' on mah Pirate hat.

"Yar."

The codex costs 39 Euros:

Well, blood reaper, looks like you'll have to break out the rum then

That's it then. Thanks for the conformation.

So with thesenew rules, I see no way of making a sweet Nigh Lords army that follows the back ground we have on them. I dont have the dex in my hands, but if someone out there can point out some really sicky nar set ups that would works and be considered Night Lords esck. I would really appreciate it. Cause I really just dont see it.

After looking over the rules posted, I have to say that I'm pretty impressed thus far. However I'm curious as to what the Berserker special rule from the Mark of Khorne means. They get Counter-attack too, so it my time spent playing the Spacewolves for my counts-as World Eaters force wasn't time ill-spent at any rate!

Without knowing any points costs and how the codex works, I would definitely be taking a Chaos Lord of Khorne on a Juggernaut with the Gift of Mutation and Fleshmetal. Dat dere T5 W4 with a 2+ save plus an Eye of the gods roll! hnnngggg

Also the Daemon Prince of Tzeentch upgrade is mental, rerolling saves of 1! If they can get a 2+ save then that will be awesome.

The Obliterator rules are interesting. So they lose the plasma cannon but gain access to an assault cannon, and they can't choose the same weapon twice. Intredasting...

The psychic powers are fairly underwhelming, not gonna lie. Glad I play Khorne.

 Mr. Balloon Hands wrote:
So with thesenew rules, I see no way of making a sweet Nigh Lords army that follows the back ground we have on them. I dont have the dex in my hands, but if someone out there can point out some really sicky nar set ups that would works and be considered Night Lords esck. I would really appreciate it. Cause I really just dont see it.

Well, considering how the dex isn't even out yet, its kinda hard to say.
As much jump infantry as humanly possible I guess?

night lords shun the gods so mostly no deamons or possesion
and with these models your not gonna do that
join me in saddness

 Vladsimpaler wrote:


The Obliterator rules are interesting. So they lose the plasma cannon but gain access to an assault cannon, and they can't choose the same weapon twice. Intredasting...

The psychic powers are fairly underwhelming, not gonna lie. Glad I play Khorne.

Wait, that can't be right. Oblits, in the current fluff at least, can not spawn projectile weapons. Assault cannons are projectile weapons.
Ergo, someone done goofed.


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 nemesis5490 wrote:
night lords shun the gods so mostly no deamons or possesion
and with these models your not gonna do that
join me in saddness

They shun the gods, true, but that doesn't mean they won't use demonic artifacts.
All it means is no demon princes, no demonic gifts, no magic, etc. I am sure there is a way.

I LOVE The Primaris Power of Tzeentch!

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Minx wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
After looking over some of the leaked White Dwarf pics, it looks like the codex is 29 Euros, not 39.

You need new glasses

Well, the best I can see is 29, not 39, so we'll just have to wait.

But if the codex is thirty pounds, I'm puttin' on mah Pirate hat.

"Yar."

The codex costs 39 Euros:

Well, blood reaper, looks like you'll have to break out the rum then

Indeed *glug*

So, Games Workshop is selling a book that's smaller than the average magazine, for 39.99 fething Euro's?

*Raises Gun to temple* can some please justify this, cause I'm going to have to sell one of my kidneys.

 Bloodhorror wrote:
I LOVE The Primaris Power of Tzeentch!

LOL!
Oh, all those poor guard blobs and ork hordes

Exactly !

i'm curious as to whether the wound caused from inferno, grant an aditional d3 hits

Be patient for the Night lords themed army. We haven't seen yet the wargear and points costs for chaos lords,
Chosen, raptors, warp talons, chaos bikers. Maybe some new special rules. Neither the dark apostle.
We can make a pretty decent NIght lords theme army IMO. Keep calm and praise the lord of the night!

Tzeentch still sucks... for more books in a row than I would care to count. It's amazing that they actually managed to nerf his psy powers. His vehicle upgrade and unit Icon are useless, with an actual worth of maybe 2 points per unit (and I know they won't cost that little). No way to build anything even remotely resembling Rubric Termies. Of course, the rest are in the same boat here, but at least they have other perks. Slaanesh players rejoice, best psy list and FNP icon!

Go choke on a wolf , Kelly.

 nemesis5490 wrote:
night lords shun the gods so mostly no deamons or possesion
and with these models your not gonna do that
join me in saddness

Yeah! thats what I am seeing. Why does everything have to be upgrades by chaos gods? Could they have upgrades that would tailore to other armys that are "Chaos?"

I mean Alpha Legion, Iron Warriors Kinda got something, Word Bearers they made out pretty well fluff wise, Night Lords..... I really see nothing that contributes to Night Lords or Alpha.

These are two of some of the more popular "undergroung hobbiest" armies. I have see people really put there heart and soul into modling these types of armies. They are so cool and have such freaken awesome back stories. Arguably the best back stories. Very easy to argue that point.

Now i dont have the codex, but from what we see in the OP, nothing contributes that much to non-god centric armies (that we can see)

And Night Lords are not a jump back army. I dont know where people got that notion. Yes they have raptors and they are super bada$$. But you cant slap jumppacks on the army and be like "yay night lords" Well you could but I mean, gosh...

I think the new rules show a fair amount of promise thus far, I just hope they're not the highlight!

 avedominusnox wrote:
Be patient for the Night lords themed army. We haven't seen yet the wargear and points costs for chaos lords,
Chosen, raptors, warp talons, chaos bikers. Maybe some new special rules. Neither the dark apostle.
We can make a pretty decent NIght lords theme army IMO. Keep calm and praise the lord of the night!

You are right... You are very right and i do need to chill. I'm just so gosh darn excited that i guess I am preparing for the worst so then I am super stoked when everything turns out alright. You are very right and thank you dude. I need to be patient.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Tzeentch still sucks... for more books in a row than I would care to count. It's amazing that they actually managed to nerf his psy powers. His vehicle upgrade and unit Icon are useless, with an actual worth of maybe 2 points per unit (and I know they won't cost that little). No way to build anything even remotely resembling Rubric Termies. Of course, the rest are in the same boat here, but at least they have other perks. Slaanesh players rejoice, best psy list and FNP icon!

Go choke on a wolf , Kelly.

Well, Slaanesh has been neglected for a while. There are a few threads on Dakka that generally follow the lines of "why does no one like Slaanesh."

Tzeentch's powers aren't that horrible. The primaris power is pretty nasty against hordes and MSU, and the bolt of corruption is just hilarious.

These are just a glimpse of the rules, so there might be Rubric Termies.

Though really, I'd be more pissed off (provided if I were a chaos player) if Ahriman didn't have access to Divination.
I mean, that's his job, isn't it, divining stuff?

*Raises Gun to temple* can some please justify this, cause I'm going to have to sell one of my kidneys.

Hang on a sec, *puts on shining white plate mail*

Firstly, it's hardback, which no magazine is (to my knowledge, anyway), secondly, it's far better bound and constructed, so it'll stand up to more wear and tear, and thirdly, unlike most magazines, it isn't predominantly advertising, I think the only thing you could really call advertising are the model pictures, but they usually only take up five or six pages anyway.

And, not that it'll make you feel any better, but, it's a new army release, that's as good an excuse for a price rise as any.

One day unfortunately, the rest of the world will have to pay Australian prices, and yea verily, we shall come to the End of Days.

 Mr. Balloon Hands wrote:


And Night Lords are not a jump back army. I dont know where people got that notion. Yes they have raptors and they are super bada$$. But you cant slap jumppacks on the army and be like "yay night lords" Well you could but I mean, gosh...

I think the idea that they were Jump Pack army may have originated from the old 3.5 ed dex. I'm not entirely sure, but I think Night Lords could ignore that 0-1 restriction on the raptors.
So what are Night Lords then if not a Jump Army?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Vladsimpaler wrote:


The Obliterator rules are interesting. So they lose the plasma cannon but gain access to an assault cannon, and they can't choose the same weapon twice. Intredasting...

The psychic powers are fairly underwhelming, not gonna lie. Glad I play Khorne.

Wait, that can't be right. Oblits, in the current fluff at least, can not spawn projectile weapons. Assault cannons are projectile weapons.
Ergo, someone done goofed.

There's been at least one, if not 2 recent BL books which have Oblits. firing assault cannons and solid slug weaponry once again, so I do believe this.

I believe the plasma cannon is still an option however,

Now that the Slaanesh Icon grants FNP I wonder if Plague Marines still have it

I can't wait for the codex, i'm actually pretty stoked by some of it. My Raptors with a Slaanesh Icon might be able to deepstrike and survive for once.

 Extreaminatus wrote:


As for not being grateful to GW for new rules and new models, I think that yeah, we should be grateful to them for it and it's incredibly entitled and whiney to say that we don't have to be grateful to a company for updating an army we like.

Yeah it's nice that Chaos got an update, but we don't need to thank GW for churning out such a divisive aesthetic that is cringe-worthy in places. Especially after the fantastic work done on Necrons and Dark Eldar. New rules are enough for me personally, I just think they were way off target with the kits they released. The Supply doesn't fit the player Demand, so perhaps GW should listen to what people want.

 reds8n wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Vladsimpaler wrote:


The Obliterator rules are interesting. So they lose the plasma cannon but gain access to an assault cannon, and they can't choose the same weapon twice. Intredasting...

The psychic powers are fairly underwhelming, not gonna lie. Glad I play Khorne.

Wait, that can't be right. Oblits, in the current fluff at least, can not spawn projectile weapons. Assault cannons are projectile weapons.
Ergo, someone done goofed.

There's been at least one, if not 2 recent BL books which have Oblits. firing assault cannons and solid slug weaponry once again, so I do believe this.

I believe the plasma cannon is still an option however,

Really? I guess they changed it. Now where do they get the bullets I wonder...

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Wait, that can't be right. Oblits, in the current fluff at least, can not spawn projectile weapons. Assault cannons are projectile weapons.
Ergo, someone done goofed.

And in the previous two Codices, they could spawn projectile weapons.
Ergo, the fluff isn't sacred; things will change.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Wow, those terminators sure look angry that Lo Pan died.

Now this was at least original.
/cheer Abadabadoobaddon

Also how many magazines can you hold on to and get use out of for 5 years?

I would compare it more to a text book than an magazine.


Still failing to see why everyone is making these comparisons and saying that it sucks? Almost everything the minis have been compared to is pure awesomesauce. Also we have see them from a grand total of like 2 angles. I still have no idea what they look like from the top, back and sides.

Also those nurgle psychic powers are CRAZY. Want to get 1-2 almost all the time.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Wait, that can't be right. Oblits, in the current fluff at least, can not spawn projectile weapons. Assault cannons are projectile weapons.
Ergo, someone done goofed.

And in the previous two Codices, they could spawn projectile weapons.
Ergo, the fluff isn't sacred; things will change.

They did? Huh, I must have been using faulty information then