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My bad then, I didn't see that.

Old Raptors are gone. I'm sad to see them go, but I'm sure I can find someone to cast some of the old ones for me. The models were rubbish, but I did like the packs.

I'll agree, the packs were amazing. I'm glad I have some left around.

Edited by MT11

You know, if Noise Marines could take special weapons in addition to the Sonic weapons, I'd actually consider taking them. While I'm not a big fan of the Emperor's Children, I do like guys who are all about Radical Good Speed, but I don't like the look of Noise Weaponry and don't want to go with "Count As".

Also, it would be neat if in regular CSM squads you could take extra power weapons in lieu of special/heavy shooting weapons-at least in Beserker squads who are close combat oriented.

You know, with the price of that Helldrake, the Hell Blade is actually a decent purchase now.

Who'd have thunk that FW would be so alluring when compared to GW,s regular offering, especially if they ever really make it into stores...

Ever think that's their goal? Make FW seem affordable right as they introduce it to stores?

Holy moly!!!!!

In NZ, the codex is equivalent to:

50£
OR

62€

Honestly, you have to laugh.... The Horus Heresy codex seems very reasonable suddenly.....

 Samus_aran115 wrote:
Old Raptors are gone. I'm sad to see them go, but I'm sure I can find someone to cast some of the old ones for me. The models were rubbish, but I did like the packs.

I actually liked them

skarsol wrote:
Ever think that's their goal? Make FW seem affordable right as they introduce it to stores?

No...you have it backwards. They see how much people are willing to spend on FW models and want just as much for the GW products. The people buying FW products redefine what's "affordable" in GWs eyes.

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 Red Corsair wrote:

 Exergy wrote:
the back of the warpsmith is AWESOME

Well at least he can be sure that he is compatible with both domestic and foreign outlets...

Seriously why does he need a MILLION different hoses attached to nothing?! It really must be the outlet thing

Maybe, just maybe, he works with a bunch of different ports that he needs to plug into during the course of his duties as the only one fixing anything mechanical in the entirety of the Chaos army?

I mean, that's a lot of stuff for just one dude to do in an entire army. Man needs to make sure he can plug up.

Or maybe they wanted it to look like a cape of cables. You know, for looks.

The Imperium has forgotten how to make USBs. I guess he plugs into something special

In my opinion, the Fiends look MUCH better, with more pics.

Ok, I caved and put my order in. I looked at the Fiends and then looked at my 6 Heavy choices and 6 Elite choices I already have and went... "nah". Last Codex left me no good choices for Fast Attack so I only have a Raptor squad and a Bike squad... might as well add in a Heldrake eh? So... Codex, Cards, OMGDRAGON, and that should do it for me.

Is the rumor of more models in 2 weeks falling away now or are we still expecting something... if so, what?

 BladeWalker wrote:
Last Codex left me no good choices for Fast Attack so I only have a Raptor squad and a Bike squad... might as well add in a Heldrake eh?

I keep hoping there is some fast attack choice we've yet to hear about... It's been a slim part of the chaos codex for several editions.

Youtube vid is up:




I've played Dawn of War enough to recognize that's the Chaos theme in the background. Also lol@GW making these things unlisted still. Baffling.

It's definitely expensive.

That said...I think I like most of them, now that I've given them a once over. I become a bigger fan of that Helldrake every time I look. The Warpsmith...I actually think is worth it. Check out the 360, it's a ridiculous amount of detail and a great model...something I'd expect out of Forge World. I just don't like the head

I'm sold on the Raptors. I just need to know how many of those I can use. I even like the Warp Talons better, though I wouldn't use the heads or the little sidewings. Which means I'm probably just looking at Raptors anyway

The Aspiring Champ looks even better. I couldn't help thinking about how much fun it would be to paint it. $20 though...I'd like to see the sprue at least. There are box sets full of plastic for a few dollars more, so I hope it's packed with bits and options.

And now, the Dinosaurs. Yup, I see it...but I think a head swap could leave you with some very cool models. Imagine the Maulerfiend with one of the Defiler heads. Not bad, eh?

Those Mutilators. Put the head of Rush Limbaugh on a crab, swallow it whole and poop it out. Mutilators.

Did anyone else just laugh and shake their head when the mutilators came on screen? They really do believe those things are worth showing off, don't they?

I think the maulerfiend would look cooler if you cut the stupid tongue off, and then used some plasticard and putty to make a big iron lower jaw that covers up most of its ugly teeth, not unlike an ork "gob".

Not even in the video they get a good shot of the Mutilators =(

 Sidstyler wrote:
Did anyone else just laugh and shake their head when the mutilators came on screen? They really do believe those things are worth showing off, don't they?

I think the maulerfiend would look cooler if you cut the stupid tongue off, and then used some plasticard and putty to make a big iron lower jaw that covers up most of its ugly teeth, not unlike an ork "gob".

Ugh, the Mutilators really were just a failure. They could have redone Oblits and Muts to make them actually appealing models. Instead they stuck with the same style and made it finecast.

I think the Mutilators look kind of cool. I think they need a little conversion work to make them look less static, but I think they're a great concept that could look great with a little elbow-grease.

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 BladeWalker wrote:
Last Codex left me no good choices for Fast Attack so I only have a Raptor squad and a Bike squad... might as well add in a Heldrake eh?

I keep hoping there is some fast attack choice we've yet to hear about... It's been a slim part of the chaos codex for several editions.

I don't think the Codex has any hidden unit left, at least for the Fast Attack slots. With five choices (counting the Warp Talons), Chaos is now on par with armies like Daemons, Eldar both light and dark and Vanilla Marines. Best we can hope is having some of the previously unusable units fixed. I'm thinking of Spawn, mostly.

However, what surprises me most is the absolute clutter of mis-matched units the HS and Elite slots have become. Elites, in particular, boasts no less than eight different options, not counting Helbrutes and Chosen which most likely belong in the elites slot too.

I can't say I don't like it, though. Looks like Kelly's new direction for Chaos involves less "woohoo random dice rolling" and more "no two armies alike". We'll find out soon.

possessed look good, from what me and my friend were able to BARELY read in the codex, looks like they have 2 wounds
Heldrake (WD spells it with 1 'l')has some sort of flamer option

 Trevak Dal wrote:
You know, if Noise Marines could take special weapons in addition to the Sonic weapons, I'd actually consider taking them. While I'm not a big fan of the Emperor's Children, I do like guys who are all about Radical Good Speed, but I don't like the look of Noise Weaponry and don't want to go with "Count As".

Also, it would be neat if in regular CSM squads you could take extra power weapons in lieu of special/heavy shooting weapons-at least in Beserker squads who are close combat oriented.

In the 3.5 codex cult marines were CSM upgraded with a mark. As such they had the same heavy/special weapon options as expected, then the mark just opened up more weapon options. I really hope the new dex goes this route. Sonic blasters are fun, but you will need to get melta guns into your army from somewhere.


Also to anyone complaining that any legion can take Dark Apostles. I promise not to include on in my EC army. After all, my HQ options will probably be full of Lord (special character if required) and a sorcerer.

I think a lot of armies are going to this route, I just don't see Dark Apostles showing up in all armies. There are probably too many good options fighting for their slot.

I wonder how much Daemon Princes have changed. I also wonder if they got wise and gave Lucius/Kharn EW.

so does this codex measure up to the old 3.5 ed one?
are cult troops only elites now?
some of those models are very ugly, I must say...mind you I feel the need to convert everything chaos anyways so...

So, as if Psychic rolls, and "Commander Traits" where not enough, now a lucky player can have free Daemon Princes, just killing sergeants? Ok, that is odd and unbalanced...

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:
So, as if Psychic rolls, and "Commander Traits" where not enough, now a lucky player can have free Daemon Princes, just killing sergeants? Ok, that is odd and unbalanced...

That lucky player can also have free chaos spawn for killing sergeants as well.

Well I must say that now I've gotten a good look at the new models, they actually look pretty darn cool. The fiends and drake look a lot better than I thought from the leaked pictures, still overpriced though. I think the characters are pretty cool. Oblits still look really silly though :(

Having gotten a good look at the size of the heldrake (comparing it to the base), I think using a zombie dragon/terrorgheist with adjusted pose and on a flying stand will actually work pretty well as soon as I figure our what to do about the weapons

And 1/6 of the time nothing happens either.

But ultimately if you don't want to see any free DPs on the other side of the table, just don't accept any challenges from the chaos player.

 Darth Bob wrote:
I wonder how much Daemon Princes have changed. I also wonder if they got wise and gave Lucius/Kharn EW.

maybe by the fluff the gave kharn and lucias some form of power simular to yarrick's or necrons renaimation proticols

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
Looks like Kelly's new direction for Chaos involves less "woohoo random dice rolling"

You haven't been paying attention, huh?