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So with my army being mostly khorne I have hardly any 'big guns' and was wndering, what would you guys take to fill this gap rather well, the dragon or the forgefiend with 2 hades autocannons? Does the fiend actually get 2 of em or is it just twin linked? What is this baleflame attack?

I am just having huge trouble picking which model to get, I am worried the dragon just wont bring enough fire power but then again I dont know if the fiend just has twin linked autocannons.

To be honest, I would be okay with the loss of EW in exchange for a nice boost to abnormal stats in addition to a lot of wargear. He can obviously become a big points sink if you go crazy with him, but could end up making a beast in the end. Sounds like something Phil would do.

I initially feared for my Chaos Daemons when they come out, but if they lose EW and get significant stat boosts...I'm fine with it.

 blood reaper wrote:

Sigmundr wrote:
WD says he does, in fact, have access. I'll have to find where in my copy, they mention it offhand.

Maybe it's an upgrade?

If Space Wolves can purchase such an upgrade, it would make as much sense to allow a Daemon Prince it.

Or maybe the CSM Codex has additional rules for "daemon" just like the chaos daemon codex does, and that page hasn't leaked..

Maybe there is a Chaos Reward that can grant him Eternal Warrior??

Something like Saga of the Bear?

But chaosy?



Saga of the Helbear?

I just want 75 points per mutilator so I can shove a dragon I mean Hellblade into my list. I really can't shave much else from these terminators now.

Dps have to pay for power armour now. A DP with a MoN and power armour is 180 points...

I think I will be using a lord.

the dragon looks so out of place with chaos...still want to do a slaanesh army, just wonder if thats possible and half way decent

Woa haha just read the heads and arms are swappable on the fiend kit...

 unmercifulconker wrote:
So with my army being mostly khorne I have hardly any 'big guns' and was wndering, what would you guys take to fill this gap rather well, the dragon or the forgefiend with 2 hades autocannons? Does the fiend actually get 2 of em or is it just twin linked? What is this baleflame attack?

I am just having huge trouble picking which model to get, I am worried the dragon just wont bring enough fire power but then again I dont know if the fiend just has twin linked autocannons.

Convert one of those giant mechanical machines that looks like a dinosaur into a giant Juggernaut, the main body isn't too different, and keep the massive Autocannons, maybe add some Bezerkers to ride on it's back or something like that.

Palindrome wrote:
Dps have to pay for power armour now. A DP with a MoN and power armour is 180 points...

I think I will be using a lord.

It seems cheaper, maybe this will end up like the Warriors of Chaos daemon prince, lots of flash, but in the end a slightly boosted lord.

And I though Chaos daemons princes where expensive....

 blood reaper wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
So with my army being mostly khorne I have hardly any 'big guns' and was wndering, what would you guys take to fill this gap rather well, the dragon or the forgefiend with 2 hades autocannons? Does the fiend actually get 2 of em or is it just twin linked? What is this baleflame attack?

I am just having huge trouble picking which model to get, I am worried the dragon just wont bring enough fire power but then again I dont know if the fiend just has twin linked autocannons.

Convert one of those giant mechanical machines that looks like a dinosaur into a giant Juggernaut, the main body isn't too different, and keep the massive Autocannons, maybe add some Bezerkers to ride on it's back or something like that.

Palindrome wrote:
Dps have to pay for power armour now. A DP with a MoN and power armour is 180 points...

I think I will be using a lord.

It seems cheaper, maybe this will end up like the Warriors of Chaos daemon prince, lots of flash, but in the end a slightly boosted lord.

And I though Chaos daemons princes where expensive....

That sounds badass, juggernaut head would be awesome but maybe a bit too small?

CleverAntics wrote:
Have to remember Nurgle can make him T6, so not all is lost. Also, I don't think it was here, but I read somewhere else that he may have access to Daemon Weapons...would be interesting if true.

Actually the Mark of Nurgle just gives Daemon Princes Shrouded and Slow and Purposeful.

 XT-1984 wrote:

CleverAntics wrote:
Have to remember Nurgle can make him T6, so not all is lost. Also, I don't think it was here, but I read somewhere else that he may have access to Daemon Weapons...would be interesting if true.

Actually the Mark of Nurgle just gives Daemon Princes Shrouded and Slow and Purposeful.

It's possible Daemon Princes have become, a terrible choice.

After reading this, it's become clear the codex is a allot of flash but no real game......

 unmercifulconker wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
So with my army being mostly khorne I have hardly any 'big guns' and was wndering, what would you guys take to fill this gap rather well, the dragon or the forgefiend with 2 hades autocannons? Does the fiend actually get 2 of em or is it just twin linked? What is this baleflame attack?

I am just having huge trouble picking which model to get, I am worried the dragon just wont bring enough fire power but then again I dont know if the fiend just has twin linked autocannons.

Convert one of those giant mechanical machines that looks like a dinosaur into a giant Juggernaut, the main body isn't too different, and keep the massive Autocannons, maybe add some Bezerkers to ride on it's back or something like that.

Palindrome wrote:
Dps have to pay for power armour now. A DP with a MoN and power armour is 180 points...

I think I will be using a lord.

It seems cheaper, maybe this will end up like the Warriors of Chaos daemon prince, lots of flash, but in the end a slightly boosted lord.

And I though Chaos daemons princes where expensive....

That sounds badass, juggernaut head would be awesome but maybe a bit too small?

Bulk it up, add parts of it to the other heads, mainly the top part with the horn and use green stuff.

I have to laugh. A few hours ago the sky was falling, now people can't wait to start CSM. I will admit my biggest fear was the rules themselves, not whether the models are "ugly". (I didn't know non slannesh chaos was suppose to be pretty....)


I like what's in the book, and I've been waiting so damn long for something that isn't the Gavdex(there is no way possible Kelly could have made CSM worse than what Gav did) I will gladly pay 50 dollars for the book. I have several thousand points of Chaos marines accumulated over the past 5 years. It's not like I need anything outside the book. The Dragon looks pretty tzeentchian. Id have to see it's rules before I decide If I want it. The Daemons engines look nice. They may look like something from Power Rangers, but it's better than before. As for the cracks about these new models looking like toys. What do you think Warhammer is? Technically we are all playing with toys.

The return of the Armory..

Best day ever.

Things to note on the DP. His statline got a HUGE boost. he's now:

9(!!!) 5 6 5 4 8(!!!) 5 9

Probably gets DW (still looking for it). So he now hits everything on a 3, can potentially have a silly number of ap2 attacks LONG before anyone else can hit him, with the exception of a few things, and gained 3 wounds. He's an expensive flying beatstick. I love it. I'll pay 200+ points for a FMC that can wreck face.

 XT-1984 wrote:

CleverAntics wrote:
Have to remember Nurgle can make him T6, so not all is lost. Also, I don't think it was here, but I read somewhere else that he may have access to Daemon Weapons...would be interesting if true.

Actually the Mark of Nurgle just gives Daemon Princes Shrouded and Slow and Purposeful.

You're thinking of the Daemon Prince Upgrade; the army list picture has an option for the Mark of Nurgle, among the three others.

Yikes some of the recent rumors are looking sorta dire for the power level and options!
I'm crossing my fingers! Poor csm look like they're getting the short end yet again. Depending on the cost for upgrades they may have gotten worse.

Sigmundr wrote:
Things to note on the DP. His statline got a HUGE boost. he's now:

9(!!!) 5 6 5 4 8(!!!) 5 9

Probably gets DW (still looking for it). So he now hits everything on a 3, can potentially have a silly number of ap2 attacks LONG before anyone else can hit him, with the exception of a few things, and gained 3 wounds. He's an expensive flying beatstick. I love it. I'll pay 200+ points for a FMC that can wreck face.

He'll end up far more expensive than Greater Daemons by the time he's useful against the instant kill weapons of the game.

An allied Bloodthrister, Lord of Change, etc will end up taking his place.

I read something about Ahriman being the next Creed. Anyone care to elaborate?

He has the Warlord trait that allows you to infiltrate D3 units, from what I've read.

@bloodreaper

Thanks for the suggestion, it would really make it a juggernaut of khorne.

Found the DW refrence for daemon princes. It's in the description of the new finecast version on page 29.

 Lucre wrote:
Yikes some of the recent rumors are looking sorta dire for the power level and options!
I'm crossing my fingers! Poor csm look like they're getting the short end yet again. Depending on the cost for upgrades they may have gotten worse.

How? From the get-go the rumours were of a balanced competent book that was powerful but not Necron-broken, and the latest batch just got better, so how do they make the book look weak exactly?

Apparently if it is not GK/Necron broken it's considered weak.

Even though I wont be getting any when/if they release straight away, I really hope for new zerkers soon, actually I just hope there is a second wave

Also, has anyone got to see the new chaos stuff in person at GD yet? Do they look better in person? (The fiend's in particular)

Sigmundr wrote:
Found the DW refrence for daemon princes. It's in the description of the new finecast version on page 29.

Link please.

I'm still taking my DP. At that point, to get a bloodthirster, you are buying more daemons, and the uncertantity of when that bloodthirster is arriving. Also take into account the flexibility you get in what role that DP is playing.

To be honest, the point hike simply made it so 2 lash princes with wings weren't the auto-take option. I didn't want a broken dex, I wanted a balanced one. It seems that's what we're getting, so I'm a happy gamer. Granted, it's based on seeing perhaps a grand total of 7 pages of the dex, but still =)


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 XT-1984 wrote:

Sigmundr wrote:
Found the DW refrence for daemon princes. It's in the description of the new finecast version on page 29.

Link please.

Lemme see if I can get a decent picture off of my phone

That thing about Boon of Chaos, would that count to squad leaders as well? Or can only IC's benefit/have to be killed in a challenge for the boon table to work

*edit* Okay, picasa is being a pain. I'll figure this out


*in claptrap's voice* HAHA!

I am glad Zerkers have AP4 weapons. Only problem is so many marines armies are being played it's quite pointless at times depending on your meta