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ahh didn't realize it was AP3 or think of it as a lightning claw :S makes sense to me now haha

Yep. Abby can choose to use his AP2 daemon weapon and risk that dreaded 1 for bonus attacks, or use the lightning claw.

Slayer le boucher wrote:The question about the DP riding a Jugger reminds me of the days in 3thEd where with the Chapter Approved updated wargear for DP's, you could actually have a DP of Khorne on a Jugger...

At the time a jugger offered a +1 S,W,T+2A so a S7 T6 W5 A7 Deamon Prince..., aah the fun and crazy days...

Haha the Daemon Princes now would be just as a crazy! they'd be S6 T6 W5 A6, but they'd also have WS9 and I8. So pretty tough mofos.

Mantle wrote:ahh didn't realize it was AP3 or think of it as a lightning claw :S makes sense to me now haha

It's all good man, the text is really blocky so it's hard to read. And it's literally the best MEQ killing weapon in the game as far as I know, since you wound 97.2% of the time. (Str8 wounds T4 on a 2+, then reroll failed wounds from Shred!)

I'm now very excited to see what kind of crazy stuff Kharn and Lucius have; all the special characters shown so far have a lot of great abilities and wargear. This is truly a great time for Chaos players.

Seems odd that the mighty weapon once wielded by Horus himself can't get through Termy armour.

I'd love the silliness of a Prince on a jugger with a daemon weapon of khorne. Assuming it had that statline, it'd have the possibility for 19 attacks on the charge, at i8, at ap2, wounding Not MCs on a 2. I'd pay 300 points for that possibility. Not in any sort of competitve play, but I've always been a fluff player anyway.

Sigmundr wrote:
I'd love the silliness of a Prince on a jugger with a daemon weapon of khorne. Assuming it had that statline, it'd have the possibility for 19 attacks on the charge, at i8, at ap2, wounding Not MCs on a 2. I'd pay 300 points for that possibility. Not in any sort of competitve play, but I've always been a fluff player anyway.

Haha, I'm the exact same way.
In preparation for this codex, today I consulted the original Realm of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness book published back in the 80's and I rolled up a Daemon Prince character. Yep, rolled up. There was a whole section on how to make an "instant" daemon prince. And let me tell you, if by "instant" they meant "this is going to take 25 minutes of cross-referencing and rolling" then they were right! The amount of D100's and D1000's rolled was intense.
But now I have the entire background for my Daemon Prince (which appropriately has a Daemon Weapon fused to his arm!)

Psh, you "Chaos" players have got nothin on me!

Is there any information on if the Alpha Legion will get represented in HQ's or units?

I really had high hopes for the 1k sons. On a side note, Is the heldrake going to be an auto include? At this point is it the only anti aircraft (with out allying) that csm can take? I'll take 2 please

 Vladsimpaler wrote:
But now I have the entire background for my Daemon Prince (which appropriately has a Daemon Weapon fused to his arm!)

That's weird. The DP who leads my army (former Ultramarine Captain Horatio Lethus) also has a weapon fused to his arm. The weapon is a Wailing Doom, but still.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Seems odd that the mighty weapon once wielded by Horus himself can't get through Termy armour.

It could when he was holding it, apparently. But he was operating it at a lower strength?
http://i.imgur.com/K68he.jpg

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Seems odd that the mighty weapon once wielded by Horus himself can't get through Termy armour.

It could when he was holding it, apparently. But he was operating it at a lower strength?
http://i.imgur.com/K68he.jpg

I am pretty sure Horus could get through terminator armor with a laspistol

DId you find that picutre..or take it? If you took it...Could i PM you for more info lol?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Seems odd that the mighty weapon once wielded by Horus himself can't get through Termy armour.

Too bad the Emperor didn't spend the pts for artificer armour.

 subzerotornado wrote:
Is there any information on if the Alpha Legion will get represented in HQ's or units?

Yeah, if you roll a 3 for your warlord traits you can play Alpha Legion. Good luck!

Anybody else notice that you can't take undivided daemon princes anymore?

Sigmundr wrote:
I'd love the silliness of a Prince on a jugger with a daemon weapon of khorne. Assuming it had that statline, it'd have the possibility for 19 attacks on the charge, at i8, at ap2, wounding Not MCs on a 2. I'd pay 300 points for that possibility. Not in any sort of competitve play, but I've always been a fluff player anyway.

Heh, I don't know if my idea for a Flying DP riding on a palaquin of Nurgle is better or worse. 6 wound FMC with 6 bases attacks. Actually, in all seriousness, a fat old DP without wings riding a palaquin could be pretty awesome(and possibly a legal build).

Actual daemon weapons for DPs is awesome. I seriously can't wait. This codex may not end up being perfect, but it will no doubt be better than what we've had for the last 5 years.

So I'm assuming Aspiring Champions are going to be lesser Chaos Lords?

Because that guy will fit right in with the Dark Vengeance Chosen as well.

The urge to post the small violin is rising.

Can't wait to add some Black Legion for Apocalypse games.

 Leth wrote:
Mine is my typhus/lord conversion and a Sorcerer. A. Because those nurgle powers are BOSS, and B. becuase I got the forgeworld ones and they are going on the table damn it.

So anyone able to decipher the destroyer hive? Also Manreaper is BOSS, 2x strength now. Still goes last but I can live with that, especially with 4 wounds now.

If Typhus still has FNP and Terminator armour and Manreaper is a Force Weapon that just became unholy good.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

I would like to remind that there was a time that if your HQ din't cost 200+pts it was considered a lame HQ for little Kids...

Did this time ever exist? I have never fielded a single model HQ costing 200 points or more and I'm not going to be starting now.

If things remain the way they appear so far for Slaneesh,

Slaneesh Lord/Sorceror
Slaneesh Chosen
CSM with Slaneesh icon/mark for assault
Noise Marines for midfield support
Cultists for blob
Dirge Casters to prevent Overwatch
FW Flyer to substitute for dragon

Then if needed, ally with Slaneesh daemons.

Have there been any postings for Havocs yet? I'm wondering if they could be a viable AA alternative if they actually get Flakk Missiles. I haven't seen anything so far in the thread for them but 75 pages is just a bit to wade through over a bowl of cereal.

Palindrome wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

I would like to remind that there was a time that if your HQ din't cost 200+pts it was considered a lame HQ for little Kids...

Did this time ever exist? I have never fielded a single model HQ costing 200 points or more and I'm not going to be starting now.

Second edition.

Ravanar wrote:
Have there been any postings for Havocs yet? I'm wondering if they could be a viable AA alternative if they actually get Flakk Missiles. I haven't seen anything so far in the thread for them but 75 pages is just a bit to wade through over a bowl of cereal.

Read on BolS some of the things people saw looking at the book at GD-UK 2012. Apparently Havocs have gotten a points decress, and you are able to buy Flakk Missles as a upgrade for their Missle Launchers. This gives them Flakk inaddtion to their Frag/Krak rounds.

Havocs are the only ones in the book who can take Flakk Rounds in their missle launchers in the whole book.

I wish people would start complieing this stuffinstead of snippets posted across the internet.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Leth wrote:
Mine is my typhus/lord conversion and a Sorcerer. A. Because those nurgle powers are BOSS, and B. becuase I got the forgeworld ones and they are going on the table damn it.

So anyone able to decipher the destroyer hive? Also Manreaper is BOSS, 2x strength now. Still goes last but I can live with that, especially with 4 wounds now.

If Typhus still has FNP and Terminator armour and Manreaper is a Force Weapon that just became unholy good.

Nor just a force weapon... A daemon force weapon... Rules for daemon- weapon, with the added bonus of being a force weapon aswell...

What's that? 2xS, AP2, strike last, with 5+d6 instakill attacks on the charge... With a bloke who's runoured to be T5, 4W and FnP with 2+, 5++ saves...

 -Loki- wrote:

Palindrome wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

I would like to remind that there was a time that if your HQ din't cost 200+pts it was considered a lame HQ for little Kids...

Did this time ever exist? I have never fielded a single model HQ costing 200 points or more and I'm not going to be starting now.

Second edition.

Tactical marines were 30 points in second edition so it's not weird that characters were twice as expensive.

No Undivided Daemon Princes?

Some more pictures.

Ooh, saw those pics on /tg/ last night snapped em up while I could. Couldn't help but notice chaos seems to have thunderhammer's now. Having never played as loyalists I have no idea how good or not these things are without a storm shield, but would MoT termies with hammers work out well?

CSM are interesting. You can get the statline for 13 points. It's not as good (no CC weapon) but you have the options there that you didn't have before.

CSM are almost exactly as they were But now marks are cheaper on smaller squads and you don't have the option of not using the champ.

I like basic CSM, but they're not exactly Grey Hunters or Grey Knights in this book.

Our cultists however.....

Agreed on the thunder hammers, I spotted that too. Now it seems my converted terminators might actually have some stats to go with the weapons they're carrying! Sweet.

 Reanimator wrote:
Agreed on the thunder hammers, I spotted that too. Now it seems my converted terminators might actually have some stats to go with the weapons they're carrying! Sweet.

Thunder Hammers are probably only for Helbrutes and not Chaos Terminators.