THE ForgeWorld Horus Heresy News and Rumors Thread!

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**Liquidice281**

The price is not bad in my opinion. Forgeworld is the luxury of luxury items, for the really dedicated group of people that are willing to spend that type of cash. Like some above posters stated, these models will be bought by the collectors and painters, not so much as the competitive players. Angron looks amazing, so much better than any third party knockoff. I'm not even a fan of the Primarch, but I may buy this model. I'll have to make sure I have the funds to buy Sanguiniues, Magnus, Curze, and Corax. I'm so excited!

Also if this sized model with the great base was sold like a regular GW model, it would cost most likely $50-$60.

**Amaya**

Liquidice281 wrote:

Also if this sized model with the great base was sold like a regular GW model, it would cost most likely $50-$60.

In addition to the 20% CSM tax. I think the price is okay. It just looks staggering when you consider picking up all of the Primarchs.

**jah-joshua**

i am so stoked to see Angron in a mini diorama...
so much more interesting than just a single mini...
i'll definitely be giving the Primarchs the treatment...

i'm a fan of the paintwork...
very fitting, in my opinion...
saying that Forgeworld needs to hire "professional painters" is a huge insult to the boys at Forgeworld...
i much prefer the look of the Forgeworld painters to the bog standard stuff done by the EM team...
they shine on character minis, but the old one tone with a line highlight is not up to snuff with the current state of most small companies studio artists...

'Eavy Metal troops are meant to be painted simply so that the hobbyists can easily recreate the schemes...
i find it refreshing that Forgeworld can go with more advanced techniques, and much grittier paintjobs, than the EM studio...

cheers
jah

**Bobthehero**

Not playing SM, but if Sanguinus comes with an helmet, I am likely to get it.

Also, the big E himself is bound to show up his face at one point or another.

**Darth Bob**

azreal13 wrote:
Darth Bob wrote:
I think the price is perfectly reasonable. Since I'm not uber wealthy, I want all the Primarchs, but I'm not sure I'll be able to afford them all at this price. But I could totally see buying all of my favorites at this price. No complaints from me, though I think the paint job on Angron could be better.

Put me down for Horus, Mortarion, and Alpharius/Omegon if they're as good quality as this guy.

P.S. I guess with this Horus Heresy thing we can expect to finally get a new Abaddon, as well. That makes me happy.

Hang on. Are you actually saying that you're okay that the prices are so high that you cent afford to buy everything you would like to? Despite the items in question having a very low intrinsic cost per unit and the likely demand offsetting the usual low volume arguments that can be applied to Forge World?

Don't get it.

You can't always get what you want. I don't find whining about it helpful. I also don't think boycotting it is beneficial to me, because I still want them, and boycotting doesn't help me get them. I can complain and complain about how GW/FW has it out for us, or how the prices are ridiculous, but it won't change anything. I try not to pretend that it does. GW and FW will do what they do, and I'll just have to work around it.

That being said, I really don't think the price is unreasonable. I just can't afford all of them. Just because I can't afford a Porsche doesn't mean I should complain that Porsches are too expensive. Furthermore, if I can't afford every color of Porsche I want, I'm not going to complain. I'll just be thankful that I can get the ones I want at a reasonable value.

**tripsix**

I wish the model would detach from the diorama, so you can place him on a round base and be a basic, yet cool looking model to field. As for some of these models interlocking I think it would just be an opportunity to sell 2 primarchs together and/or just charge a fortune for the models.

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Darth Bob wrote:
azreal13 wrote:
Darth Bob wrote:
I think the price is perfectly reasonable. Since I'm not uber wealthy, I want all the Primarchs, but I'm not sure I'll be able to afford them all at this price. But I could totally see buying all of my favorites at this price. No complaints from me, though I think the paint job on Angron could be better.

Put me down for Horus, Mortarion, and Alpharius/Omegon if they're as good quality as this guy.

P.S. I guess with this Horus Heresy thing we can expect to finally get a new Abaddon, as well. That makes me happy.

Hang on. Are you actually saying that you're okay that the prices are so high that you cent afford to buy everything you would like to? Despite the items in question having a very low intrinsic cost per unit and the likely demand offsetting the usual low volume arguments that can be applied to Forge World?

Don't get it.

You can't always get what you want. I don't find whining about it helpful. I also don't think boycotting it is beneficial to me, because I still want them, and boycotting doesn't help me get them. I can complain and complain about how GW/FW has it out for us, or how the prices are ridiculous, but it won't change anything. I try not to pretend that it does. GW and FW will do what they do, and I'll just have to work around it.

That being said, I really don't think the price is unreasonable. I just can't afford all of them. Just because I can't afford a Porsche doesn't mean I should complain that Porsches are too expensive. Furthermore, if I can't afford every color of Porsche I want, I'm not going to complain. I'll just be thankful that I can get the ones I want at a reasonable value.

True, and though they are expensive I enjoy the game too much to boycott becuase I can't buy a lot of pieces all at once, instead I just buy what I can as I can...and besides they are too cool looking to not want one of everything. It also comes down to the want/need of it all...do i need it? No Do I want it? Hell Yeah!

**Slinky**

tripsix wrote:
I wish the model would detach from the diorama, so you can place him on a round base and be a basic, yet cool looking model to field.

Hey presto, I have granted your wish!

**CrimsonPrime**

The plan is: Ferrus Manus and a handful of the Cataphract termies for Morlocks, Mortarion and The Deathshroud, and Horus and The Mournival, if all of those get made. The best thing about the obscene prices GW charge in the Southern Hemisphere is FW prices are the same and sometimes cheaper.

**farmersboy**

I'm loving the HH stuff that Forgeworld is producing, but I just have one request for the design team....

Please, please don't base anything Mr Blanches HH scrapbook, get Adrian Smith to do it instead.

**Nuclear Mekanik**

azreal13 wrote:
Darth Bob wrote:
I think the price is perfectly reasonable. Since I'm not uber wealthy, I want all the Primarchs, but I'm not sure I'll be able to afford them all at this price. But I could totally see buying all of my favorites at this price. No complaints from me, though I think the paint job on Angron could be better.

Put me down for Horus, Mortarion, and Alpharius/Omegon if they're as good quality as this guy.

P.S. I guess with this Horus Heresy thing we can expect to finally get a new Abaddon, as well. That makes me happy.

Hang on. Are you actually saying that you're okay that the prices are so high that you cent afford to buy everything you would like to? Despite the items in question having a very low intrinsic cost per unit and the likely demand offsetting the usual low volume arguments that can be applied to Forge World?

Don't get it.

Describe "low intrinsic cost per unit" taking into account the man hours put into this kind of sculpt, including research time and pre-sculpt drawings etc. They HAD to get this right, especially as the first one to be released. Now put all of those man hours at a decent wage (you can bet that the FW design team are NOT on minimum wage, and nor should they be.

Bang, the cost of putting this model together will have been huge, I genuinely believe the price tag is lower than it could have been because they know they will sell plenty of these. If this was some low-moving Dark Eldar character of similar calibre, you can bet the price would be double to make up for lack of sales. Don't kid yourself into thinking you are only paying for the box and the raw materials in the resin.

Look at the Ork Warboss on bike model, at £40. Now look at Angron, at £50. The price difference is a cheap round of drinks, or less than 2 copies of White Dwarf. Blatant money grab*?? Really??

*Quoted from a different poster to the one I quoted above.

**Astroman**

Saw this model fully done up in the latest White Dwarf, and it is amazing. While the Space Marine proportions have never been real accurate, it looks like the Primarchs will be suitably larger than the average marine if Angron is any indication. I was amazed by the figure itself, and he was destroying his way through a couple of marines. A promising sign of things to come. Cheers.

**Liquidice281**

Astroman wrote:
Saw this model fully done up in the latest White Dwarf, and it is amazing. While the Space Marine proportions have never been real accurate, it looks like the Primarchs will be suitably larger than the average marine if Angron is any indication. I was amazed by the figure itself, and he was destroying his way through a couple of marines. A promising sign of things to come. Cheers.

And Angron is the Midget if the bunch..

**Uhlan**

The only thing that disturbs me about the Angron diorama/figure is that it really highlights the sculpt style of the Space Marine figures.

The Marines look almost comical compared to the proper relative dimensions of the Primarch.

**generalgrog**

Personally I think this is great!! This will save me a lot of time. I'm not looking to game with the minis just paint them up and display them.

I think the Angron diorama is really cool, and the FW version is quite well painted, and I like the realism they are trying to portray there.

The termies are sweet as well!!

GG

**Rayvon**

Angron sold out at games day pretty quickly.
Fulgrim up next, Looking forward to it.

**Cyrax**

Horus is revealed!

**Rayvon**

They did say in the seminar that the horus heresy armies were designed to be played against other heresy armies too, we were told that they may be quite OP against some of your average 40k armies and that you should ask first before playing someone to prepare them for the smackdown !
Some armies however, mainly horde ones, did ok against them.

**Nuclear Mekanik**

They basically said that an army featuring a Primarch would only be a fair fight against a regular 40k army in a huge battle... Apoc scale and things work ok. Combat Patrol and it just won't work.

It was also suggested that highly mobile strike and move armies like Eldar, as well as high number gunline armies, did significantly better against heresy era armies than low model count armies like GK. It seems that whatever gets shot/hit gets killed, wether it's a GK Terminator or a Grot, so you'd better have plenty of targets to offer to keep the game going long enough to get some shots in.

**Kroothawk**

Brother Garrod over at Warseer:

heres part 1 of a ( very brief) rundown of the full crusade list

legion praetor ( equivilant of chapter master , can take rites of war which change how army functions , armoured spearhead , orbital assault, angels wrath or pride of the legion )
legion centurion ( a catch all hq choice , 50 pts basic , but can be upgraded to one of NINE different specialisations . chaplain , master of signals , legion champion , vigilator , librarian , forge lord , primus medicae , siege breaker or moritat )
legion command squad ( pretty much same , 3 man strong with able to add 2 more)

veteran tactical squad ( ten strong only , can add one of a list: fearless , sniper , furious charge, outflank or tank hunters )
legion destroyer squad (uses proscribed weapons , Rad missiles , phosphex bombs )
legion terminator squad ( can count as scoring units)
techmarine covenant (1-3 techmarines as a single elite choice, each can have 4 servitors with them )
apothecarion detatchment ( 1-3 apothecaries ,each MUST be attatched to a squad)
legion dreadnought talon (1-3 dreads )
contemptor dreadnought talon (1-3 contemptors )
legion rapier battery ( 1-3 rapier destroyers , can be upgraded to thudd gun or graviton cannon)

legion tactical squad ( 10-20 marines , fury of the legion special rule )
legion assault squad ( yes , troops choice lol , 10-20 marines , 1 in every 5 marines can take power wep orhand flamer / plasma pistol )
legion siege breaker squad ( 10-20 marines , boarding shields , 1 in every 5 can take a special wep , graviton gun , lascutter etc, all have void hardened armour )
legion tactical support squad (5-10 marines , all marines except sergeant , yes all 9, have flamers , can be upgraded a different special wep. squad cant be used to fill compulsory troops choices )
legion recon squad ( 5-10 marines in power armour , scout , outflank and acute senses , may have sniper rifles . can remove power armour for scout armour and gain move through cover and infiltrate )
rhino ( as before but can take pintle mounted h. bolter , h. flamer or havoc launcher )
drop pod ( unchanged )

thats hq , elites and troops , ill do fast attack , heavy support and ' gods of war , in a bit

(...)

Okay , fast attack , heavy support and gods of war

legion seeker squad ( headhunters , designed to take out enemy command elements , 5-10 strong , special issue ammo ' marked for death' special rule , gain preffered enemy against one enemy unit or independant character )
legion outrider squad ( 3-10 bike squad , scout special rule , all bikes have twin linked bolters.. ALL marines can swap these out for twin linked flamers , melta guns or plasma guns, 1 in 3 can have power weapon , hand flamer or plasma pistol )
legion attack bike squadron (1-5 strong h. bolter can be swapped out for h. flamer, autocannon or multi-melta )
legion jetbike sky-hunter squadron (3-10 strong , 1 in 3 can replace jetbike mounted h.bolter with multi-melta , volkite cannon or plasma cannon , deep strike special rule )
legion land speeder squadron (1-5 strong , and speeder may replace h. bolter with h. flamer or multi-melta . any speeder can add a havoc launcher , h. bolter , PLASMA CANNON! or graviton gun in addition. any speeder can also take upto 2 H.K.M's )
legion storm eagle gunship ( as before )

legion heavy support squad (5-10 strong all marines in squad ( including sergeant! have a h. bolter . all may swap out for a different weapon , but MUST all take the same kind of weapon . H. flamer , autocannon , missile launcher ( may be upgraded to carry flakk) multi-melta , plasma cannon , volkite culverin or lascannon. entire squad may have hardened armour )
legion predator strike squadron ( 1-3 predators , includes all the forgeworld options EXCEPT twinlinked lascannon. predator turret autocannon is now heavy 4)
legion land raider battle squadron ( 1-3 landraiders any of which may be phobos or proteus , but only one of which may be an achilles )
0-1 legion artillery tank squadron ( 1-3 of a whirlwind , basilisk or medusa. ww may be upgraded to anti-air )
legion vindicator ( as before , but can take pintle mounted h.bolter / h. flamer or havoc launcher )
legion spartan assault tank (25 troop carry capacity , quad lascannons may be swapped for rapier destroyers , may take frag launchers. assault vehicle , 5 hull points )
legion caestus assault ram ( largely unchanged )

gods of war
legion fellblade super heavy tank (turret mounted twin ' accelerator cannon' high explosive round - 100" range , strength 8 ap 3 ord 1 , 7" blast , primary weapon
armour piercing shell - 100" range ,heavy 1, strength 9 ap 2, armourbane ,3" blast

legion typhon heavy siege tank ( basically a ****** huge vindicator , no transport capacity. dreadhammer siege cannon. 24" if moving , 48" if stationary, strength 10 ap 1, ord 1 , 7" blast no cover saves . has crushing weight special rule . auto passes difficult or dangerous terrain tests for rubble ,barricades , walls , ruined buildings or wreckage.
auto inflicts strength 10 ap 2 ram damage NO MATTER HOW FAR IT HAS MOVED ! )

legion thunderhawk gunship ( largely unchanged)

legion thunderhawk transporter ( largely unchanged )

legion cerberus heavy tank destroyer (super heavy land raider , twin linked neutron destroyer laser battery)
legion malcador assault tank ( largley unchanged , may only take battlecannon and twin linked lascannon turrets )

bear in mind this is the briefest glimpse , not counting all the different weapon options , new weapons , legion specific squads and mechanicus units

**Doomhunter**

Some of those options sound awesome!

**Amaya**

Well it looks like Horus is both a melee beat stick and a hell of a force multiplier.

**Just Dave**

Amaya wrote:
Well it looks like Horus is both a melee beat stick and a hell of a force multiplier.

As should/will be all the Primarchs I imagine...

**Commander Cain**

Sounds like we will be getting SM thudd guns and graviton cannons soonish then. Very nice!

**Tyr Grimtooth**

I wonder if the Emperor's Children rules will reflect some of the changes Fabius Bile had already done to them prior to Istaan III, but after the encounter with the Laer, ie, Eidelon's sonic scream augment and the combat stims.

**Amaya**

Just Dave wrote:
Amaya wrote:
Well it looks like Horus is both a melee beat stick and a hell of a force multiplier.

As should/will be all the Primarchs I imagine...

Hopefully not. That would be bland.

**Sidstyler**

I don't know if this has been addressed already or not, but are the primarch models going to be limited edition? The thought just occurred to me and I thought that would be the stupidest fething thing they ever did if true.

**endtransmission**

It has been covered a few times; no the primarchs are not limited releases

**Sidstyler**

I figured as much, but it's 16 pages.

Price is pretty damn steep regardless but nice to know if I see one I like I can get one later...like VULKAN.

**Eiríkr**

Tyr Grimtooth wrote:
I wonder if the Emperor's Children rules will reflect some of the changes Fabius Bile had already done to them prior to Istaan III, but after the encounter with the Laer, ie, Eidelon's sonic scream augment and the combat stims.

Oh God. I hope so...

**Lord Magnus**

Horus is balanced and not overpowered, and has realistic stats, I am VERY happy with this.