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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/23 15:31:57
Subject: Primarch Rivalries
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Which ones had them? And I don't mean the Leman/Lion, Fulgrim/Ferrus friendly kind, I mean real rivalries where the two hated each other over it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/23 15:56:38
Subject: Primarch Rivalries
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Perturabo vs. Dorn is the biggest one
Russ vs. Lion El'Jonson is still referenced
Russ vs. Magnus is something that developed from the Heresy, though it is more the hatred between the Thousand Sons and Space Wolves
Lorgar vs. Guilliman gradually developed during the Heresy, culminating in the Battle of Calth
Dorn and Guilliman had a light and bit friendlier rivalry, both being the Emperor's right-hand and so on.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/23 17:37:49
Subject: Re:Primarch Rivalries
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
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The rivalry between Horus and Sanguinius has recently been expanded upon in the latest HH book.
The corrupted Horus saw Sanguinius as a potential threat to his status as Warmaster, and feared what might happen, should Ka'Bandha’s attempt at converting the angel prove successful.
Minor spoiler: Horus never intended for Sanguinius to survive the ambush at Signus Prime. Shocker!!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/23 18:13:09
Subject: Primarch Rivalries
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Wolf Guard Bodyguard in Terminator Armor
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Guiliman-Alpharius is another, less well-known one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/23 18:46:38
Subject: Primarch Rivalries
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Harriticus wrote:
Dorn and Guilliman had a light and bit friendlier rivalry, both being the Emperor's right-hand and so on.
Oh, I don't know... them two deciding to re-enact a 40K equivilant to the Cuban Missile Crisis at the end of the HH isn't what I'd call "light and friendly"...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/23 20:10:02
Subject: Primarch Rivalries
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Wolf Guard Bodyguard in Terminator Armor
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Wasn't that Russ ad Guilliman?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/23 20:12:10
Subject: Primarch Rivalries
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Anfauglir wrote: Harriticus wrote:
Dorn and Guilliman had a light and bit friendlier rivalry, both being the Emperor's right-hand and so on.
Oh, I don't know... them two deciding to re-enact a 40K equivilant to the Cuban Missile Crisis at the end of the HH isn't what I'd call "light and friendly"...
Well yeah it got a bit worse there. But still a bit better then the vicious hate Magnus/Russ and Perturabo/Dorn turned into.
I can see why Guilliman got on so many guys bad sides though
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/23 20:17:49
Subject: Primarch Rivalries
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Twisting Tzeentch Horror
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Magnus and Mortarion is another.
Curze and Dorn
Corax and Horus (less hate, nore corax refusing to fight alongside him)
Angron and Everyone
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"Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponents fate."
Sun Tzu
http://s1.zetaboards.com/New_Badab/index/
JOIN THE ETERNAL WAR. SAY YOU FOLLOWED MY LINK IN YOUR INTRODUCTION TO HELP TZEENTCHS CAUSE. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/24 01:35:43
Subject: Primarch Rivalries
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Alpharius/Gulliman and Lion/Russ are the ones I remember popping up a lot; I can't see Magnus and Angron or Gulliman and Cuze getting along well, but I don't know that there's any canon evidence there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/28 01:19:55
Subject: Re:Primarch Rivalries
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Nasty Nob on a Boar
Inside of a CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT
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Angron was just aggravating. He had too much hate to be a competent commander. Should have just been left as the Emperor's duelist or something
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angel of ecstasy wrote:
You take a dump, you flip through the Dark Eldar codex, the concept art for Lelith Hesperax shows up and you pee on the floor.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/28 02:38:44
Subject: Primarch Rivalries
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I could actually see Guilliman and Magnus getting along well - they both value knowledge, and strive for the betterment of humanity.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/28 03:10:14
Subject: Primarch Rivalries
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Huge Hierodule
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Apharius, Lorgar, and Dorn all disliked Guilliman. Guilliman was viewed as somewhat of a pompous ass by a lot of his brothers, even if they didn't have outright hostility towards him. It's also worthy of note that a lot of the Primarchs viewed Alpharius in a poor light. Mostly because of his methods of war and how secretive he and his Legion was. Angron actually had at least passing respect for Horus.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/28 05:26:04
Subject: Primarch Rivalries
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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Angron also seems to be at least on decent terms with Perturabo, perhaps even bros4life.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/28 07:52:04
Subject: Primarch Rivalries
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Void__Dragon wrote:Angron also seems to be at least on decent terms with Perturabo, perhaps even bros4life.
True enough. In Aurelian, ADB describes the two of them having a wee chat...
This implies both that they have at least semi-regular contact, and that they get one well enough. Also, if I remember correctly, in one of the HH short stories, Khârn describes fighting alongside Perturabo, and Angron gets all into it, admiring Pert's awesome siegecraft. There's definitely respect there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/28 22:48:46
Subject: Re:Primarch Rivalries
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Russ / Lion
RG / Alpharius
RG / Dorn
RG / Lion / Dorn
Perturabo / Dorn
Horus/ Sanguinius
Fulgrim / Cate Blanchett
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/28 23:06:07
Subject: Primarch Rivalries
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Bounding Assault Marine
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See everyone loves Corvus Corax....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/28 23:09:20
Subject: Primarch Rivalries
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Nasty Nob on a Boar
Inside of a CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT
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Heard him and Kharn are nice guys
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angel of ecstasy wrote:
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/28 23:15:08
Subject: Primarch Rivalries
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Corax / Curze maybe...
or nobody is seeing him as a threat :-)
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/28 23:21:47
Subject: Primarch Rivalries
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Nobody sees Corax as a threat because nobody can see Corax.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/28 23:23:37
Subject: Primarch Rivalries
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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Yeah - like in the audiodrama "Chosen of Khorne" Kharn has a weird count Dracula accent (which relaxes you :-) Automatically Appended Next Post: Ronin wrote:Nobody sees Corax as a threat because nobody can see Corax. 
that too...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/29 02:19:12
Subject: Primarch Rivalries
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Bounding Assault Marine
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which is his biggest subterfuge yet....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/29 02:59:38
Subject: Primarch Rivalries
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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So what, Everyone Loved Khan?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/29 06:53:27
Subject: Primarch Rivalries
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Nope. Most of his brothers were very weary of him. Guilliman flat out distrusted him, he infuriated Russ, and Lorgar thought he was an uneducated savage. Khan, much like Alpharius, kept mostly to himself. He wasn't around his brothers enough to develop much of a relationship (good or bad) with them.
I think the mystery that surrounded him, much like his brother Alpharius, was a big factor in his brothers' distrust of him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/29 16:43:47
Subject: Primarch Rivalries
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I heard Him and russ where friends, because of the simularities of their savage warrior culture.
The others make sense.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/29 18:56:58
Subject: Primarch Rivalries
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Darth Bob wrote:
Nope. Most of his brothers were very weary of him. Guilliman flat out distrusted him, he infuriated Russ, and Lorgar thought he was an uneducated savage. Khan, much like Alpharius, kept mostly to himself. He wasn't around his brothers enough to develop much of a relationship (good or bad) with them.
I think the mystery that surrounded him, much like his brother Alpharius, was a big factor in his brothers' distrust of him.
I vaguely recall reading somewhere that Khan was one of the primarchs Lion actually liked, can't recall where though.
Might have to do with both legions having a love for bikes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/01 10:35:00
Subject: Re:Primarch Rivalries
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Corax did not get on with Horus very much apparently
Corax's Legion garnered such a fearsome reputation that Warmaster Horus requested their aid many times in his campaigns and it is thought that it was thanks to the Raven Guard's assistance that Horus's tally of victories was so high. The Raven Guard's records are curiously reticent concerning this period of history and Imperial Historians suspect that the taciturn Corax did not like the more gregarious Horus, finding him overly boastful and manipulative. It is rumoured that on one occasion the two almost came to blows and bloodshed was only averted when Corax removed his Legion from the Warmaster's command.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/01 12:11:05
Subject: Re:Primarch Rivalries
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Pilau Rice wrote:Corax did not get on with Horus very much apparently
Corax's Legion garnered such a fearsome reputation that Warmaster Horus requested their aid many times in his campaigns and it is thought that it was thanks to the Raven Guard's assistance that Horus's tally of victories was so high. The Raven Guard's records are curiously reticent concerning this period of history and Imperial Historians suspect that the taciturn Corax did not like the more gregarious Horus, finding him overly boastful and manipulative. It is rumoured that on one occasion the two almost came to blows and bloodshed was only averted when Corax removed his Legion from the Warmaster's command.
Where did you read that ? That's a new one for me... Automatically Appended Next Post: hotsauceman1 wrote:I heard Him and russ where friends, because of the simularities of their savage warrior culture.
The others make sense.
Yeah they were - Khan was pissed because Dorn sent him to Terra when he wanted to help the SW with AL pest and their sabotage and bluff fighting
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/01 12:55:20
Subject: Primarch Rivalries
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It's from the Index Astartes Article on the Raven Guard
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/01 18:47:15
Subject: Primarch Rivalries
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I find it amusing that Vulkan is absent from any of these lists, I guess everyone liked him, or at least just didn't care either way.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/01 19:22:00
Subject: Primarch Rivalries
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Vulkan is probably the least talked/written-about primarch and the most generally unknown besides Alpharius, who was made mysterious more deliberately. So that isn't very surprising.
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