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I was watching How The States Got Their Shapes* a long while ago and they were talking about Utah. They interviewed a number of BYU students and I remember there being a particular colloquialism for girls looking for husbands. I can't remember what it was, but I know there was one.
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Mannahnin wrote: This may be a little harsh, overall. I sympathize with her that Presidential campaigning is a tough thing.
She sounds like she truly loves her husband. Though it also reminds me of how my mom defended me when I would get picked on in grade school.
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Howard A Treesong wrote: How are people like Mitt and his ilk 'there for women' when they want to erode rights on topics like abortion?
Ann Romney is 63, bear that in mind, she is clearly speaking from a different position of what it means to be "there" for a woman; primarily one of financial security and emotional support. As I said, I recall there being a particular term at BYU regarding girls seeking men to marry.
Of course, that doesn't help Mitt's out-of-touch problem.
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Am i the only one who gets kinda scared from her face. Her face looks kinda harsh. Not saying she is ugly, but she looks angry or evil when she smiles.
You are seriously comparing Abortion to going over the speed limit.
I say women do have a choice. Its made when you decide not to use a condom during intercourse.
Just like women have the choice to not get raped. Just like women have the choice to have perfectly healthy babies. Just like women have the choice to have 100% working condoms and birth control pills.
Ohhh wait....
They don't.
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Ann's said a bunch of things at this point (as shown in the links), some of which are clearly false or disingenuous, and some of which really come off as having a terrible attitude and sense of entitlement.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Am i the only one who gets kinda scared from her face. Her face looks kinda harsh. Not saying she is ugly, but she looks angry or evil when she smiles.
IIRC correctly, she suffers from MS--and given her wealth, has probably received a truck load of steroidal treatments around the clock (maybe for years). Long term steroidal use will result in a "moon face" and more masculine features. Another example would be Kathleen Turner (whom I would also guess has used steroids for some type of autoimmune disease);
Which, if my hunch about her IV steroid use is correct---ironically this is an example of someone whom can afford to pay direct, (likely) out of pocket cost for a medical treatment that others are often denied (Or come to the ER and beg for the on call physician to treat and bill later).
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Mannahnin wrote: This may be a little harsh, overall. I sympathize with her that Presidential campaigning is a tough thing.
I don't particularly care for the Daily Kos, it's one notch above hate speech, sometimes they forget that notch. I'm honestly a little surprised you posted from it Mann.
I think Ann's comments are appropriate and well aimed at Republicans critical of you know, the abortion that is his campaign. If they thought they could've done better the should have run. She's no Michelle Obama is an understatement, but I'm also no particular fan of the First Lady's public persona so it's par for the course.
Grey Templar wrote:I still believe its immoral to have an abortion as it ends a human life. The above circumstances are unfortunate for sure, but we must draw a line in the sand.
The child can be put up for adoption if it is not wanted. There are plenty of people that can't have children that want them. to throw away their lives is criminal.
Then you shouldn't have an abortion, which is your choice.
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While Ann Romney's complaints may be more ridiculous, none of it put bile in my throat like Michelle Obama's 'mom in chief' line.
This may be a little harsh, overall. I sympathize with her that Presidential campaigning is a tough thing.
It is tough, for sure. I think it's one of those things where we're more likely to accept it's tough and sympathise with someone when they shut up and stop complaining about it themselves.
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Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Mannahnin wrote: Ann's said a bunch of things at this point (as shown in the links), some of which are clearly false or disingenuous, and some of which really come off as having a terrible attitude and sense of entitlement.
That happens to rich people a lot. You get more than other people, it's only natural that you assume it's because you deserve more than other people.
It isn't really a reason to condemn a rich person, as most likely anyone else in the same position will make the same assumption. But it is a really good reason to not have people like that in positions of power over us normal folk.
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Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
If you can't see the difference between the two then you don't deserve an answer.
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Wait a minute. How come when Whembly posts something from some right-wing blog site, guys - including the one who started this thread - come down on him like a ton of bricks, but something from the DailyKos gets in without so much as a batted eye?
This interview's all over the place, I'm sure you could have found a non-editorialized version that just presented facts.
Seaward wrote: Wait a minute. How come when Whembly posts something from some right-wing blog site, guys - including the one who started this thread - come down on him like a ton of bricks, but something from the DailyKos gets in without so much as a batted eye?
Because there's a difference between starting a conversation based on something from a political website, and substituting punditry from political websites for original debate.
I don't think anyone here would accuse Mannahnin of just posting political diatribes from other websites, and while I don't think that is true of Whembly either, I can see how some people could have gained that image.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Remember guys, stay on topic. And abortion is not the topic.
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I don't care much about what Ann Romney thinks or believes in since she's not running for office. The only "usefulness" she has is what insight she offers into Mr. Romney; but there is nothing groundbreaking to be gleaned there, either: super privileged people live super privileged lives with fancy horses and summer homes and many, many different forks of varying sizes. If there is a counterpoint to the value of her beliefs I'm willing to listen but I'm not seeing it right now.
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Howard A Treesong wrote: How are people like Mitt and his ilk 'there for women' when they want to erode rights on topics like abortion? Or maybe we need to go over some of the boneheaded remarks made about rape again (actually don't, we've had those threads).
Well the question is over whether abortion is a right or not. So if you don't believe something is a right you can't be accused of denying it.
I think you and other pro-lifers missed the point. How is Mitt 'there for women' when he'd like to take away their current rights to certain choices? It's not about your personal opinion on whether you think it's okay, that's a choice for you and your partner. You may choose not to, others may choose to do so. The fact that women have the freedom and access to services to make that choice is something that people like Mitt would like to end. So putting aside your personal feelings on abortion, how is he 'there for women'?
He isn't. He's there for people of a similar christian morality and wants to push that on everyone. If he was there for women, he'd empower them by supporting the continued right to abortion so that individuals could make their own minds up.
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Thank you, d-usa and Howard, for getting this back on track. I was taking off my tennis shoe...
I deleted a couple of off-topic posts as well.
Wait a minute. How come when Whembly posts something from some right-wing blog site, guys - including the one who started this thread - come down on him like a ton of bricks, but something from the DailyKos gets in without so much as a batted eye?
This interview's all over the place, I'm sure you could have found a non-editorialized version that just presented facts.
A) It's not an interview, it is an editorial.
B) I agree that it's a bit harsh. I disclaimered it as such, as opposed to presenting it as something it's not. While this isn't a lot better than some of the crap I've criticized whembly for linking to, he's repeatedly linked pure editorials in the middle of a discussion as if they were providing some sort of evidentiary support for a position, not just opinion. So they've just been thread-derailers and flamebait. While I can see how someone who objects to the tone of this one could see it as objectionable, it's meant as a conversation-starter about the difficulties the Romney campaign is experiencing, and the irony of Ann complaining about them while creating more of them.
C) From what I could see, the facts provided in this one and the articles it links to are actually facts, instead of lies. Like the data about the Romneys' stock holdings during that period when Ann claimed they were struggling and poor. Which (IIRC) is the first time that information has been presented on this forum.
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I knew they weren't actually poor in college despite implying they were, but I hadn't seen the dollar figure of the stock portfolio previously. $377k, huh? That's barely even middle class.
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Mannahnin wrote: Ann's said a bunch of things at this point (as shown in the links), some of which are clearly false or disingenuous, and some of which really come off as having a terrible attitude and sense of entitlement.
In some ways, I give it a pass. It's not like blue-bloods are a rare thing in the Oval Office.
The issue, of course, is that it makes the Romneys lack credibility when they try to claim empathy for the middle class, etc. That narrative was never going to work for them -- Mitt is a smidge awkward personally and has made far too much money. He needed to stay on message about being Mr. Fixit for the economy. He didn't, and importantly he hasn't done a good job of explaining *how* he'd be Mr. Fixit, which is the first natural question you'll receive if you run with that narrative. And that's why he's going to lose, barring some large unforeseen event.
In short, his campaign's done a poor job for him, and Mitt's done a poor job for himself. I still say Mitt is completely electable if a) his party would let him run as the moderate he is, and b) you give him a campaign team capable of playing up his strengths and downplaying his weaknesses.
After elections are decided, we act as though their results were inevitable. But that's not how it works. Give Kerry a better campaign and a quick, decisive rebuttal to the Swift Boat nonsense and he absolutely could have been POTUS. Teach Gore not to be so awkward/aggressive/whatever in debates and he would have been POTUS. Give McCain a more moderate party (see a theme here?) and a real veep, and he might have made things interesting *even with* the political winds of the time and the phenomenon that Obama became.
I mean, Obama is as vulnerable as candidates get, and he's about to score a solid victory in November. There are real reasons for that. It's a very similar situation to 2004, just with the parties reversed.
I wouldn't exactly count Mitt out yet. He is, after all, a moderate, and no matter how much we like to suggest that his base is forcing him to the right, his base also chose him as the nominee. There are a lot more moderates in the Republican party than there are extremists, it's just that extremists are vocal.
The polls are tied, nationally, but they're also, as near as I (and others) can tell, massively oversampling Democrats; the models that show Obama with the tie or a slight edge appear to be based on even better turnout than 2008, which is extraordinarily unlikely to occur.
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