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I was lucky enough to have a friend go to Gamesday UK last weekend. I got my hands on my Forge World Horus Heresy Book I. (This is the first one I have bought in about 3 years or so.0

I was so thrilled and then started going through it. I kind of feel I overpaid for the 70 British Pounds value doesn't look like it’s there to me.

I got it last night it was awesome looking and nicely bound, silver edged pages, the metal corners are cool.

I looked through the section and began reading it - then notices it was 0200 hours in the morning. I felt kind disappointed in what was written. I wanted a little more on the old legions (World Eaters - Warhounds) and feel that maybe I misinterpreted what this book was going to be. The Istavan Mascasre. It seems well written to execute in that role.

Thinking on it this morning though - it may have been written well and vague enough that the burden to make the Pre-Heresy Legion my own. Or it’s just that they have so many projects up in the air that they will around to screwing my work up later with future publications.

A side note - my friend picked himself up a copy and the binding was crappy and loose/warped in sections. I've not experienced printing issue with any Forge World /GW product. (A few minor issues with Black Library.)

So I have the following questions to ask:

1) Has anyone else gotten this yet?
2) How do you feel about it?
3) Is it worth the money being paid?
4) Has anyone else had printing issues with Forge World/GW Books/Codexes?

My copy shipped the other day. The price tag is nuts though. Taros is an enormous book and it's £50. Guilded edges are an unnecessary extravagance that just drives up the price for no appreciable gain. I'd rather have more pages and more background/rules than fancy metal/silver corner pieces.

This is FW we're talking about there though..

Those are kinda my thoughts as well. Acceptable for "collector's editions", but otherwise it just looks like an excuse to drive the price up. I would have much preferred if they kept this version for people into that kinda thing, and offered something with a more "realistic" price for the rest of us, but I suppose GW and FW both have never been very interested in giving customers options and are likely not going to start anytime soon.

I'll just get my grubby mitts on a .pdf

To be honest, the day I spend £70 on a book is the day they start carving them from petrified unicorn tears.

I mean, I'm sure it's a lovely book with wonderful prose and imaginative illustration but I just don't see the value in it.

It differs from person to person. I scoffed at high price tags myself in regards to books until I came across the Making of the Empire Strikes Back.

I have to admit I have no problem paying money for a book - as long as there is "Value" in there.

I paid a little over $200 for a very limited production book about one of my heroes - Michael Wittman.

It was published in England, it weighs about 12 pounds and most of the cost was in getting delivered to me in the States.

I VALUE it though. It is the most comprehensive book about one subject that I have ever found. Pictures, letters, MTOE, line and graph charts, background. Everything I have referenced for papers in history, or used extensively for my Flames of War miniatures.

I'm having a hard time with this purchase - because I feel I could have bought the overpriced - Angron. I think 35 British Pounds is right for that one maybe 40.

I think the book could have had a little less "Flash" and more "Bang" in it. That seems to be the consensus so far.

I've ordered one, and mine is on the way, so should get it soon.

The price is totally excessive, and the 'whistles & bells' are completely unnecessary, but I won't be buying any of the other HH products from FW (until the next book), so I'm cool with it.

Wow, I miss the right place to post this. Sorry about that and thanks to whomever moved it. Thanks.

 filbert wrote:
To be honest, the day I spend £70 on a book is the day they start carving them from petrified unicorn tears.

I mean, I'm sure it's a lovely book with wonderful prose and imaginative illustration but I just don't see the value in it.

This is basically my opinion.

If it was £50 or so, then I would have probably brought it, but needlessly leatherbound and £70? No thanks.

Been meaning to ask, are there stats for loyalist marines/primarchs or the imperial army?

I desperately need to ask: how does the new special rules look for the siege master, legion champion ect? are the new units any good?

I'm torn on this one. Normally, meh, I'm going PDF for Forgeworld/IA books. Damn expensive rules for damn expensive miniatures that people may very well not feel like playing against. I've got a huge freaking blind spot when it comes to the bestest heresy though.

 BrookM wrote:
It differs from person to person. I scoffed at high price tags myself in regards to books until I came across the Making of the Empire Strikes Back.

Was it pricey? I have the Making of Empire and Jedi and the book of props from Starwars and Indiana Jones. I got them at a yard sale for $5.

What is the content actually like?

Is it on the level of the Badab war?

Does it not give back ground information on the Legions and mainly concentrate on the actual events solely concerning the battle on Istvaan?

 Testify wrote:
Been meaning to ask, are there stats for loyalist marines/primarchs or the imperial army?

There are Stats for Horus, Angron loayalist/traitor. Not sure about Mortarion (sp) and I do not recall anything about the IG in the book. I did not finish it.

I'll try to check tonight.




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 Pilau Rice wrote:
What is the content actually like?

Is it on the level of the Badab war?

Does it not give back ground information on the Legions and mainly concentrate on the actual events solely concerning the battle on Istvaan?

I cannot compare it. I do not have the Badab War set yet. (Funny I have 40 Astral Claws plus 20 Terms, 2 Hurons but not the books!)

If it is taken as I think it was meant, for recreation of the Istavan Massacre early Heresy - I think it will hold its own for some time to come. Beyond that - I have a slight case of buyer remorse - but with a huge book with spkiy metal corners!

Oh! stupid question but can you use heresy models in a 40k codex? I.E. legion blood angels with the blood angels codex.

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
Oh! stupid question but can you use heresy models in a 40k codex? I.E. legion blood angels with the blood angels codex.

Of course! It'd probably work best if they were treated as artificer armor or used on elite choices since the gear would be pretty rare, but there's no reason why you can't use MkII armor using Codex: Blood Angels.

I mean units, sorry X-X can you use units like an HQ or an elite choice?

PanzerTC wrote:
one of my heroes - Michael Wittman.

Err...

Testify wrote:Been meaning to ask, are there stats for loyalist marines/primarchs or the imperial army?

I saw some stats last night for tanks, a new specialized Cyborg (Skitarri) type force. They have some data on Warhounds (and the Death Guard Primarch is in there as is the is in there).

Tiger9gamer wrote:Oh! stupid question but can you use heresy models in a 40k codex? I.E. legion blood angels with the blood angels codex.

I honestly do not see how a "bridge" or connection cannot be made in some regards. Many of the GW books allow for armor stats to be universal to the MK series armor. All of the new and special weapons - probably not, but some of them may. I've been working on a Pre-Heresy World Eaters/Warhounds army for about two years (not a lot of time).

Henners91 wrote:

PanzerTC wrote:
one of my heroes - Michael Wittman.

Err...

Okay - what the Err about? I'm an American of Native American, British and German heritage. My Great grandfather fought for Germany in WW I and II. One of my Great Uncles was an RAF Pilot. My Grandfathers (both sets) and other Great Uncles were/are veterans of the U.S. Forces, as is my father and five of my Uncles.

My list of heroes include a lot of Americans, some Brits and Scots, a lot of Germans and a few Russians. So I don't get the comment "Err" and its relevance to the cost of books - specifically Forgeworld/GW books compared to their content. Was it because of his side in WW II? Is it a growl?

Not mad, not taking a shot across the bow - I just don't understand it. Wittman is the best Tank Ace the world has ever known = I am a Tanker in the U.S. Army and his tactics are still taught in my Army today in tactical situations along with others Allied and Enemy alike. He was a Soldiers' Soldier and Officer. He provided solid leadership and performance - regardless of country/nationality allegiances - he has to be respected for his record in combat.