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Hi, I'm at work and hardly working and thus I'm quite bored! So I got to thinking who would be the strongest race in 40k in their prime? So lets do the IoM (with Emperor and all Primarchs) vs Eldar vs Necron (united by the silent king) vs Orks (100% united for the fun of it!)
To specify a bit, I am saying we take these races when they were at their peak (as for orks just a hypothetical) zap them into the same time line and let them do battle! Not saying that one race would end this war quickly by any stretch of the imagination (if ever) just wondering who would establish themselves as the dominate one of the 4 mentioned. Also there are no Chaos or C'tan.

You best do this as a one on one thing, as otherwise it gets...odd. The Orks are likely to win just on shear numbers, you will have alliances form and double teaming going one.

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
You best do this as a one on one thing, as otherwise it gets...odd. The Orks are likely to win just on shear numbers, you will have alliances form and double teaming going one.

I thought most of these races hated each other bar the odd "hire some ork mercs" and Tyranids are going to eat us all lets ally for the duration!

I would be happy to hear your thoughts on 1v1 scenarios as well though but bar in mind this isn't a who would wipe the other 3 out its a who would control the majority of the galaxy.

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
You best do this as a one on one thing, as otherwise it gets...odd. The Orks are likely to win just on shear numbers, you will have alliances form and double teaming going one.

Problem with saying that "the orks will win due to numbers" is that the IOM has access to an immense nuclear arsenal.

This is always gonna end in more or less poster favs. To me though Eldar and necrones are king of the hep at full power. The IoM could not have gained the headway it did if either had been around at full power.

The Orks are the odd mix, as I do not see them being ever able to unite long term. They are not built that way, I am pretty sure who ever made em wanted to be sure they could not do so. They are weapons or more akin to an galaxy wide immune system then a race.


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 Testify wrote:

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
You best do this as a one on one thing, as otherwise it gets...odd. The Orks are likely to win just on shear numbers, you will have alliances form and double teaming going one.

Problem with saying that "the orks will win due to numbers" is that the IOM has access to an immense nuclear arsenal.

Which I am not sure would help in the case above. Nominally sure as new orks which grow and rearm at a much, much faster pace are disorganized and a small threat. In the case of an Ork race which has the unity of the other races, that is less a sure bet.

Orks, without a doubt. Even the fluff acknowledges that if the Orks were ever to unite under a single banner, they'd stomp the entire galaxy.

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
Orks, without a doubt. Even the fluff acknowledges that if the Orks were ever to unite under a single banner, they'd stomp the entire galaxy.

Can't really use that quote from the ork codex because this isn't orks in the normal 40k universe its orks vs these 3 other races in a FFA at their prime.

Zande4 wrote:

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
Orks, without a doubt. Even the fluff acknowledges that if the Orks were ever to unite under a single banner, they'd stomp the entire galaxy.

Can't really use that quote from the ork codex because this isn't orks in the normal 40k universe its orks vs these 3 other races in a FFA at their prime.

So don't? Check the big rule book pg 201

Testify wrote:

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
You best do this as a one on one thing, as otherwise it gets...odd. The Orks are likely to win just on shear numbers, you will have alliances form and double teaming going one.

Problem with saying that "the orks will win due to numbers" is that the IOM has access to an immense nuclear arsenal.

...who doesn't? and how does this deter orks persay... this only succeeds in motivating us further... Orks are like Internet trolls you can't get rid of em and they will win because they declare it enough and drive ya batty with our logic.


Also, Orks is da biggest and da Strongest GW says so. ZOMG GW FLUFF APPROVED MAUHREENS LOSE!

The Old Ones win, as you specified that the C'tan won't be around to mess with them.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The Old Ones win, as you specified that the C'tan won't be around to mess with them.

The old ones aren't getting involved. They're quite happy kicking back with some pop corn and watching on their big screen TVs

Zande4 wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The Old Ones win, as you specified that the C'tan won't be around to mess with them.

The old ones aren't getting involved. They're quite happy kicking back with some pop corn and watching on their big screen TVs

Moving the goalposts? Boo! Hiss!

Fine then, without the Chaos Gods to interfere the God-Emperor would be silly.

Providing the Orks truly are 100% united and are all fighting the same war/on the same front, they win. Easily. They would be charging the enemy lines in such numbers, and at such a rate that it would exceed that of their foes munitions stockpile. Even if they are losing all the way up until it reaches melee, the moment they break through, it's over.

Eldar and Necrons win this one easily. The Eldar had not seen a threat to their power in millions of years until after the fall. The Emperor was around then...no threat.

Same with the Orks...no threat. Pretty much the only race that had even threatened the Eldar at the height of their power was the Necrons. Everyone else was considered a minor player.

Tyranids because not all of them have even reached the small pocket of the galaxy where everyone else is; if they were all there with one dominating Hive Mind, they'd 'NOM everyone quite easily. Or stalemate the Orks at the end.

Otherwise, Daemons as long as they can maintain the Eye of Terror and any other footholds.

Tyranids.

Tyranids will consume everything if the WH40k storyline actually progressed, the TINY TINY TINY number of them that have arrived in the milky way have already caused huuuuuuuuuge problems, did I mention that's only a TINY TINY TINY number of them? There's billions more of them to arrive and they get more troops every time they defeat any biological race in battle (read: Everyone but the necrons). I really think the only way the tyranids don't consume the entire galaxy is A. They argue amongst themselves for some reason and go somewhere else or B. There's WAY more necrons still to arise than you can possibly imagine and since they can't be consumed by tyranids they could wage an effective war against them.

THE EMPRA

Decio wrote:Tyranids because not all of them have even reached the small pocket of the galaxy where everyone else is; if they were all there with one dominating Hive Mind, they'd 'NOM everyone quite easily. Or stalemate the Orks at the end.

Otherwise, Daemons as long as they can maintain the Eye of Terror and any other footholds.

OhNoItsNot wrote:Tyranids.

Tyranids will consume everything if the WH40k storyline actually progressed, the TINY TINY TINY number of them that have arrived in the milky way have already caused huuuuuuuuuge problems, did I mention that's only a TINY TINY TINY number of them? There's billions more of them to arrive and they get more troops every time they defeat any biological race in battle (read: Everyone but the necrons). I really think the only way the tyranids don't consume the entire galaxy is A. They argue amongst themselves for some reason and go somewhere else or B. There's WAY more necrons still to arise than you can possibly imagine and since they can't be consumed by tyranids they could wage an effective war against them.

err they're in a different universe for this battle so there are no nids or daemons

None - the Universe asplodes at the shear headfnarp that this battle would entail

hulk strongest there is.

zteknon wrote:
hulk strongest there is.

hulk smash puny humans?

 Pilau Rice wrote:
None - the Universe asplodes at the shear headfnarp that this battle would entail

I am with this guy.... how can anyone say who will win? No body knows exact numbers of anything. Theres a lot of orks, Humans, Space Marines, Nids, Necrons, Eldar, Chaos (sorry if i missed anyone). But the list goes on. The Galexy is in balance right now, a huge stalemate. Yes, orks have numbers, but so do Nids, But IOM have nukes, and world eaters. Hell, if IOM really wanted to, they would just scorch the planets leading up to Tera so nobody gets close to us.

Personally, its way to hard to tell.

In the end, who knows... Sisters of battle might be the victors cause nobody though of them! lol

^ Nah, they'd be the first out the door with the current background (Ward? maybe) but also because the Ecclesiarchy and Ordo Hereticus would go straight for the Chaos Marines and cultists.

Necrons could, if they had a couple more World Engines. And if they just sort of camped in their tombs for a few thousand years.

It's just too hard to tell with so many self-replicating species out there. Tyranids just make more of them from their own or others biomass.

Orks just grow more (or whatever they do).

Necrons just get teleported away to either be repaired or re-purposed as well as having more and more drone types created.

Those three will probably be the biggest contenders in the end. IOM may have the firepower but you can only send wave after wave of your men at them for so long.

Don't know much about the other races, but I imagine they'd put up a good fight for a while but ultimately would lose out as well. It would really come down to probably these four here but beyond that, who knows who would won. Probably IOM just for the principle of it.

I'm going to plug for the Imperium, easy. Think about it: At their height they had TWENTY FULL Legions of Space Marines. That's around 2 MILLION Astartes! And lets not forget 20 Primarchs which is nothing to sniff at. The full might of the Imperial Army which wouldn't perhaps make too much of a difference on the ground, well maybe they would. They would be most useful for their void assets which would number literally thousands of ships of all sizes and class. Then you would have The Big Guy Himself the Big E who is basically a god in human form with the psyker power that goes with it and all his ten thousand custodian bodyguard. So. The Big E with his Custodes at the vanguard flanked by the Legions led by their primarchs, and the many multiple thousands of warships in the void. That's one HELL of a mean army with ridiculous killing potential. Ok, so the necrons are practically unparalleled in the void but on the ground the Big E would completely destroy any C'Tan that was stupid enough to go near him and his..TEN THOUSAND Custodians. And the Eldar had the power to decide whether a star lived or died at a whim...meh..so what? That doesn't impress me very much.

The Emperor Protects! (whatever that means but it sounds good so I'm saying it)

Imperials ALL the way baby! Put me down for ten pounds that says the Big E will emerge victorious..

The Orks unite as a full race? Then they flatten everyone. Says so, right in Codex Orks!


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 Muhr wrote:
I'm going to plug for the Imperium, easy. Think about it: At their height they had TWENTY FULL Legions of Space Marines. That's around 2 MILLION Astartes! And lets not forget 20 Primarchs which is nothing to sniff at. The full might of the Imperial Army which wouldn't perhaps make too much of a difference on the ground, well maybe they would. They would be most useful for their void assets which would number literally thousands of ships of all sizes and class. Then you would have The Big Guy Himself the Big E who is basically a god in human form with the psyker power that goes with it and all his ten thousand custodian bodyguard. So. The Big E with his Custodes at the vanguard flanked by the Legions led by their primarchs, and the many multiple thousands of warships in the void. That's one HELL of a mean army with ridiculous killing potential. Ok, so the necrons are practically unparalleled in the void but on the ground the Big E would completely destroy any C'Tan that was stupid enough to go near him and his..TEN THOUSAND Custodians. And the Eldar had the power to decide whether a star lived or died at a whim...meh..so what? That doesn't impress me very much.

The Emperor Protects! (whatever that means but it sounds good so I'm saying it)

Imperials ALL the way baby! Put me down for ten pounds that says the Big E will emerge victorious..

Emps nearly got killed by a bigass ork warlord. At least that's what I hear, just saying.

It is between the Imperium and the Orks, according to fluff, it says fully united the Orks would be so powerful psyker wise that if they all believed they were united together they would steamroll everyone. It also says that if the Imperium were not surrounded and were faced only by one foe, they would be able to take any single faction in the galaxy.

The combined psychic might of the orks would collide in an unstoppable force against the powers that be in the EOT, on Terra, and against the Hive fleet at once, causing reality to break. The universe collapses in on itself and after an untold amount of time, explodes into the big bang, and life goes on until the orks combine into one unstoppable Waaagh! against the EOT, Terra, and the nids...

Silent King and Top-Tier Necrons
Pheonix Lords and Top-Tier Eldar
Emperor/Primarchs and All Humans/Astartes
The Beast and All Orks
All Tyranids

Really, I could not imagine who would win, as there are going to be things that are neigh unstoppable until they meet in combat...than that would decide the outcome. I would have to imagine the actual outcome would be a new God being born the likes we have never seen. One that is not fueled by a single race, but simply fueled by the destruction of any and all life linked to the Warp. What would happen when this was brought into existence is....unimaginable.

 Deadshot wrote:


Emps nearly got killed by a bigass ork warlord. At least that's what I hear, just saying.

Oh that was just a fluke occurence. He was probably letting the ork do that so he could be all "ooh ooh Horus help me!" because he wanted to test Horus' loyalty. Think about it: there is NOO WAY that any oversized green gobbo would be able to seriously threaten a being that can, with worrying ease, make Magnus, the second most powerful psyker in the entire galaxy, have a seizure in his seat just by merely...looking at him. No way!

And anyway, it was probably Mat Ward who wrote that so it doesn't really count anyway because...it just doesn't.

 Muhr wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:


Emps nearly got killed by a bigass ork warlord. At least that's what I hear, just saying.

Oh that was just a fluke occurence. He was probably letting the ork do that so he could be all "ooh ooh Horus help me!" because he wanted to test Horus' loyalty. Think about it: there is NOO WAY that any oversized green gobbo would be able to seriously threaten a being that can, with worrying ease, make Magnus, the second most powerful psyker in the entire galaxy, have a seizure in his seat just by merely...looking at him. No way!

And anyway, it was probably Mat Ward who wrote that so it doesn't really count anyway because...it just doesn't.

No, really, that's part of the oldest, most solid pieces of fluff in the game. On the other hand, that was the largest known Waagh! ever enocountered (second largest ever these days). Every Ork in that Waaagh! was convinced that their Boss was the biggest and meanest fether around, so he was. For someone who relies on psychic powers to kill people (like the Emperor), that'd make him a very dangerous foe, whereas Horus could simply smash the guy's face in. The Emperor was only human body-wise after all.