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According to the London Evening Standard, so many postal votes have already been cast in Florida and Ohio, that the election perhaps was decided before the debates have begun.

 Easy E wrote:
So, are you saying Romney had to clarify his message more than he has before, and this has left him open to a bludgeoning by the President?

Sort of. Romney needed to make up ground, which basically means appealing to the party, relatively extreme ideological concepts, or a nondescript claims to boost the economy. That's fine, but in doing so he has given the President quite a bit of ammunition.

Another gold line:

But our training programs right now, we got 47 of them housed in the federal government, reporting to eight different agencies.

Apparently private policy affects only private land!

Mr. President, all of the increase in natural gas and oil has happened on private land, not on government land.

I'm still a fan of the following three:

1) Regulation is good and there are places where banking reform didn't have enough regulations.
2) The $50,000 standard deduction slip.
3) I will repeal Obamacare, and let the states get Romneycare.

 mwnciboo wrote:
Okay so what is the truth about the $5 Trillion Dollar Tax Cut Comment? Where is this number derived?

Plus has Mitt Romney published his Tax returns? (Talking about sacking his accountant?) We already know he doesn't care about the bottom 47%? Was he challenged about this? Obama could have buried him, instead he let him off easy.

Wait! I've heard that Obama doesn't willing to do a debate. he wants to celebrate the 20th year of marriage with Michel Obama. If this debate is scheduled next week. are you sure that Obama will 'bury' Romney by then?

My favourite quotes relating to this

"Mitt enters the debate just like Rocky. Assured of losing to the black guy & rich enough to have a robot butler."


.... pride cometh eh ?

Especially impressed with his five point notatallspecific plan, #4 of which was "Balance the budget".

Bloody hell, if only someone had thought of or even tried this before.

The man will go far.

 sebster wrote:
The Republican peddled myth is over the claim that Obama's present lead in the polls is due to using dodgy likely voter numbers. Your article is over who won the debate, which is something I'm not debating

The post in which you brought up myths was in response to a quote from Seaward in which he mentioned who won the debate, though.

For the record this...

But our training programs right now, we got 47 of them housed in the federal government, reporting to eight different agencies.

...is correct. 47 just happens to be an awfully convenient number,

My only question is, why was Vermin Supreme not there?

 Lone Cat wrote:

 mwnciboo wrote:
Okay so what is the truth about the $5 Trillion Dollar Tax Cut Comment? Where is this number derived?

Plus has Mitt Romney published his Tax returns? (Talking about sacking his accountant?) We already know he doesn't care about the bottom 47%? Was he challenged about this? Obama could have buried him, instead he let him off easy.

Wait! I've heard that Obama doesn't willing to do a debate. he wants to celebrate the 20th year of marriage with Michel Obama. If this debate is scheduled next week. are you sure that Obama will 'bury' Romney by then?

God help me, I tried to make sense of this. Any takers?

The debate happened to fall on the date of the Obamas' wedding anniversary.

I'm talking about news relating to the recent 'Obama VS Romney' debate. http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/04/opinion/schroeder-presidential-debate/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 .why all of you rejects my posts and treats ALL of it as nonsense?

to be honest. I've also watched the whole debate thing on CNN. and some news and analysis released several hours later.

Now I ask you. Did you get/see/heard of news/rumours saying that 'Barack Obama wants to attend the 20th year wedding anniversary with Michel?'

(let's hope this sentence style is easier for you to read )

 Kilkrazy wrote:
The debate happened to fall on the date of the Obamas' wedding anniversary.

Thank you so much Kilkrazy. I've also heard the same news you brought fourth to me

 mwnciboo wrote:

 Lone Cat wrote:

 mwnciboo wrote:
Okay so what is the truth about the $5 Trillion Dollar Tax Cut Comment? Where is this number derived?

Plus has Mitt Romney published his Tax returns? (Talking about sacking his accountant?) We already know he doesn't care about the bottom 47%? Was he challenged about this? Obama could have buried him, instead he let him off easy.

Wait! I've heard that Obama doesn't willing to do a debate. he wants to celebrate the 20th year of marriage with Michel Obama. If this debate is scheduled next week. are you sure that Obama will 'bury' Romney by then?

God help me, I tried to make sense of this. Any takers?

Have you ever heard of King Double Knives?
Romney released a summary of his tax returns, there's really nothing there for Obama to use. He looked bored, like Bush in the 90's.

 dogma wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
So, are you saying Romney had to clarify his message more than he has before, and this has left him open to a bludgeoning by the President?

Sort of. Romney needed to make up ground, which basically means appealing to the party, relatively extreme ideological concepts, or a nondescript claims to boost the economy. That's fine, but in doing so he has given the President quite a bit of ammunition.

Yeah, Romney's remained vague on details all along because as soon as clarifies things like which tax deductions he's going to end, he'll start giving ammo to the Dems and start losing votes.

I half-think his camp should have avoided creating even the deductions fairy tale and stayed even vaguer, claiming he can do all of the above just because he's that damn good. I kid, but sharing virtually nothing about details at least makes you slippery and hard to pin down.

If elected, I tend to think one of the unnamed deductions Romney will change is the one for mortgage interest. Which will slam this middle class guy pretty good, I can tell you that.

If Herp Derpson would have been allowed into the televised debates he would have done something and used words different than the other candidates.

anniversaries, grandmother's and children were mnetioned. You could form up a regular family reunion with all the family nonsense both of them spat out.


Frazzled at the debate:
Opponent: "Well, we are having our anniversary today. Hi wife!"
Frazzled:" Way to suck up there Bob. What a wuss. "
Moderator: "and now candidate X. "
Frazzled interjecting: "just call him candidate PW'd."
Moderator: "er, as I was sayi"
Frazzled: "girly boy."
Moderator: "er, Mr. Frazzled"
Frazzled:"probably wears a skirt at home."
Moderator: "um"
Frazzled: "TBone's gonna make you his girlfriend."
Moderator: "thats it, I'm out."
Frazzled:"Just you and me now boy. You sure got a purty mouth."
Candidate concedes.

 AustonT wrote:
Romney released a summary of his tax returns, there's really nothing there for Obama to use. He looked bored, like Bush in the 90's.

You mean the summary going way back to 2011? And, I think either Romney and Obama can find something besides Tax returns to harp on about; it seems a bit odd to plant the axis of the discussion on that.

Everyone knew it was his anniversery so I don't think it was that big of a deal to say it. I think what is important is that his daughters weren't there, o that must mean they hate him, and will sway many votes.

Do you think the accusations of Romney being soft on Wall St, tough on Sesame St. will have any impact ?

For me I think the only people this was likely to swing are either A. Not old enough to vote or B. Going against him anyway, their "loss" already having been calculated.

From the clips got to say this is the first time that Romney came across as actually being really capable of doing the job and perhaps more importantly even wanting the job.

I don't think it was a disaster for Obama -- although I would suggest he lost "on points" on the night, perhaps, -- but I think it's somewhat telling that there seems almost like a sense of relief that Romney didn't screw up which I don't think bodes well overall for him.

But if he can do as well, or better in the next 2 appearances then I think he's given himself at least a fighting chance. Which given that at times his campaign has looked so dead that the Mormon church was going to baptise it ,is a positive for him.

I think what's important that came out of this is that Romney hates PBS.

Debates wise I think it's clear that Romney won this one. Which is to say he won the "Special Olympics of Debating"

How did we end up with either of these clowns for the highest public office in the land?

I doubt either of these punks could last a single thread in the Dakka OT

 Ahtman wrote:

 AustonT wrote:
Romney released a summary of his tax returns, there's really nothing there for Obama to use. He looked bored, like Bush in the 90's.

You mean the summary going way back to 2011?

What rock have you been under?

LA Times wrote:Mitt Romney will release his 2011 tax return Friday, as well as a summary of his returns for the past two decades, the campaign announced.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-romney-tax-returns-20120921,0,7082610.story


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 Kanluwen wrote:
I think what's important that came out of this is that Romney hates PBS.

@FiredBigBird

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Debates wise I think it's clear that Romney won this one. Which is to say he won the "Special Olympics of Debating"

How did we end up with either of these clowns for the highest public office in the land?

I doubt either of these punks could last a single thread in the Dakka OT

exactly.

 AustonT wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 AustonT wrote:
Romney released a summary of his tax returns, there's really nothing there for Obama to use. He looked bored, like Bush in the 90's.

You mean the summary going way back to 2011?

What rock have you been under?

Sorry, misread that you meant he actually released the returns, not a summary. It has been discussed already why a summary isn't the same thing and how it still really doesn't change the fundamental point of the accusations being leveled.

 Ahtman wrote:

 AustonT wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 AustonT wrote:
Romney released a summary of his tax returns, there's really nothing there for Obama to use. He looked bored, like Bush in the 90's.

You mean the summarygoing way back to 2011?

What rock have you been under?

Sorry, misread that you meant he actually released the returns, not a summary.

uh huh.

It has been discussed already why a summary isn't the same thing and how it still really doesn't change the fundamental point of the accusations being leveled.

What fundamental point was that? That he hadn't paid taxes in 10 years, pretty sure that was bunked pretty clearly by the summary.

I grew up with Sesame street. I cannot image it ever getting cancelled. My kids today love it.

Romeny said a lot of things I was on board with -- but this was a deal breaker for me.

Y'know, I remember sitting in the pizza shop watching the VP debates in highschool. I found these so great. but this election seems so stale and full of empty promises from both side.
I didnt even bother to watch this.
Although Romney will have to deal with hordes of angry mothers if he cancels Sesame street.

 labmouse42 wrote:
I grew up with Sesame street. I cannot image it ever getting cancelled. My kids today love it.

Romeny said a lot of things I was on board with -- but this was a deal breaker for me.

The CBP only puts up about 15% of funding for public broadcasters. Removing Federal funding is not a death nell to PBS or NPR. If education or public safety get cut to balance budgets CBP should not be sacrosanct.

 whembly wrote:
Okay... from my twitter feed... "When you've lost Bill Maher... “@billmaher: i can't believe i'm saying this, but Obama looks like he DOES need a teleprompter” "



K... going back to work...

The thing is, Obama had a 'gimmie' at this debate. All he had to do was attack the Romney who spoke during the Republican primaries and not what Romney said at the debate.

If Romney said "That's not my plan", Obama should have replied "Really? On date 'X', you said 'Y'. Are you flip-flopping?"
Romney has been so inconsistant in his past that painting him to look bad is not hard.

The problem is Obama just kept repeating his talking points instead of going after the other guy -- where Romney was not afraid to do so. That's why Obama lost this debate IMHO.

Sadly, Romney lost me when he went after Big Bird. I could agree with a lot of his points, but why kill PBS, when instead we could remove ONE A-10 from our fleet to cover a year of PBS. PBS is a bargin for what it provides.

 AustonT wrote:
uh huh.

Believe what you want, but I was reading multiple things at once and screwed up the reading. It said summary, but when I scanned it I read it as returns in my head. Not being a top multitasker today, and I admitted my error. No need to attribute to malice that which explained by a moment of stupidity.

 AustonT wrote:
What fundamental point was that? That he hadn't paid taxes in 10 years, pretty sure that was bunked pretty clearly by the summary.

See, this may be where we were referring to two different things. You are thinking of the idiotic Harry Reid statement where I am referring to the accusations that he is hiding money overseas instead of 'trickling down' his golden shower, as well as showing all the loopholes and deductions.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Debates wise I think it's clear that Romney won this one. Which is to say he won the "Special Olympics of Debating"

How did we end up with either of these clowns for the highest public office in the land?

I doubt either of these punks could last a single thread in the Dakka OT

Note that neither can take a "WAAC" approach to "winning" the debate, because that's not the point. The point is getting elected, and to that end each candidate is coming into the debate with his own goals.

 labmouse42 wrote:
I grew up with Sesame street. I cannot image it ever getting cancelled. My kids today love it.

Romeny said a lot of things I was on board with -- but this was a deal breaker for me.

Then why don't you support it directly instead of depending on other people to do it?
Big Bird is a smokescreen like candidate X wanting to killgrandmothers and candidate Y wanting to eat babies. Ok maybe not the baby part.