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I'm just glad to see my tax money go to unbiased school officials.

Anyone else looking forward to the vice-presidential debate? Biden is bound to drop some golden quotes in that one.

I too am looking forward to it. Unfortunately in debate environments, Biden is much more constrained and controlled. I fear my funmeter will be low.

Ryan win overall I predict but Uncle Joe going to win overall on entertainment.

 Frazzled wrote:
My wife was a sub for a bit. She has three degrees and real life experience working with the police department on crime scenes, and later the VP of a techie company. Who doesn't know jack again?

There are plenty of highly qualified people who would be terrible teachers. Having qualifications, knowledge and experience in fields unrelated to teaching does not automatically you will be good at teaching.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Testify wrote:
So, they actually banned Republicans from registering to vote?

Or did they just not actively encourage them to do so?

They had Democratic Party registration drives but refused Republicans. Neither party should be allowed in.
Everyone associated should be fired.

If you're too stupid to know how to register to vote on your own, you shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway.

 Testify wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Testify wrote:
So, they actually banned Republicans from registering to vote?

Or did they just not actively encourage them to do so?

They had Democratic Party registration drives but refused Republicans. Neither party should be allowed in.
Everyone associated should be fired.

If you're too stupid to know how to register to vote on your own, you shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway.

good point!


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 SilverMK2 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
My wife was a sub for a bit. She has three degrees and real life experience working with the police department on crime scenes, and later the VP of a techie company. Who doesn't know jack again?

There are plenty of highly qualified people who would be terrible teachers. Having qualifications, knowledge and experience in fields unrelated to teaching does not automatically you will be good at teaching.

This is true. But lets get rid of certification nonse designed to create an aritifical shortage and find out.

 Testify wrote:
If you're too stupid to know how to register to vote on your own, you shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway.

Somehow I doubt this, "eh, fair enough," tack that OT's taking would have quite the same complexion had it been Republicans who gamed their way into a voter drive while Democrats were forbidden from doing the same.

Somehow.

A persecution complex is perfectly normal.

Not going to start a new thread for this:

http://cnnmoney.mobi/wk_snarticle?articleId=urn:newsml:CNNMoney.com:20121009:siegel-email-employees:1&category=cnnm_business

"I don't care who you vote for, but if Obama wins I will have to fire some of you..."

 d-usa wrote:
A persecution complex is perfectly normal.

Persecution complex? Hardly.

Both sides play extremely dirty. Any claims to the contrary are laughable.

As are claims that it is only okay because democrats did it.

 d-usa wrote:
As are claims that it is only okay because democrats did it.

What?

 Seaward wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
As are claims that it is only okay because democrats did it.

What?

Based on your statement here:

 Seaward wrote:

Somehow I doubt this, "eh, fair enough," tack that OT's taking would have quite the same complexion had it been Republicans who gamed their way into a voter drive while Democrats were forbidden from doing the same.

Somehow.

So you are not implying that people are okay with it because Democrats did it?

 d-usa wrote:
A persecution complex is perfectly normal.

Not going to start a new thread for this:

http://cnnmoney.mobi/wk_snarticle?articleId=urn:newsml:CNNMoney.com:20121009:siegel-email-employees:1&category=cnnm_business

"I don't care who you vote for, but if Obama wins I will have to fire some of you..."

And that there is what we call and donkey-cave (the executives)

Sounds like a standard republican news network hissy fit, nothing to see here.

I would second Frazzled's statement. Make a pile of human skul.... err desks.

So, a school somewhere didn't allow some people to vote and the Repubs are up in arms about it...

But the Repubs are trying to stop anyone without a driver's license ACROSS THE WHOLE COUNTRY from voting and they think that's fair and dandy?





tell me again... etc

They want an ID, not a drivers license, but yes.

Tempest in a Tea Pot.

 d-usa wrote:
So you are not implying that people are okay with it because Democrats did it?

They do appear to be, yes.

And you claimed that if Republicans did that there would be an outrage and everybody would shift positions.

So: persecution complex.

 d-usa wrote:
And you claimed that if Republicans did that there would be an outrage and everybody would shift positions.

So: persecution complex.

Wouldn't I need to be a Republican to have a persecution complex?

Or, you know, not have that opinion reinforced by every political thread in this forum?

Screw popcorn for the debates, I'll just munch while you guys fight on here!

While I agree if one group gets to do something, they shouldn't bar the other group from doing the same thing-one group gets to discuss their party, so should the other. I don't see what the big deal would be about teachers discussing politics with students. Hell, when I was teaching if someone asked my political affiliation, I'd tell them I supported Obama and mention the good things he's done. I wouldn't sling mud at Romney in a professional location, but I sure as hell will in the privacy with friends mention how much of an asshat he is. You guys count as "friends," so I can say he's an asshat here.
Discussion, especially political discussion, is great in school: it encourages both planning ahead AND thinking on your feet, and forces students to think outside the box. That said, again, equal representation and all that. It's what our country was founded on. Supposedly. I'm sure women, blacks, and certain religious groups would have argued that point back in 1776 though.

In 2000 we got bonus points for voting in our Government class, but other than facilitating in class discussion and mock debates the teachers didn't actively try to register people or push for certain candidates.

I seem to recall in my home state, somehow registering to vote was tied to registering for Selective Services.. It's been a long long while, so I have no idea if that is indeed true (well, at least it would be for men, since we're the only ones who have to do that)..

I agree that it was wrong of the Dems to "act" like they were from the county elections office.... If anything, the REAL county elections office should be allowed to set up in a gym, and let the seniors (who are about the only ones eligible to vote in the first place) go during a lunch period, or class or some such to register to vote. But, it would need to be strictly monitored by other vetted, outside people so that no shenanigans, like disallowing one party from registering, etc.

 d-usa wrote:
In 2000 we got bonus points for voting in our Government class, but other than facilitating in class discussion and mock debates the teachers didn't actively try to register people or push for certain candidates.

And that's good. Excellent even. It's when you're pushing your beliefs on your students that politics in the class room becomes a problem

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
In 2000 we got bonus points for voting in our Government class, but other than facilitating in class discussion and mock debates the teachers didn't actively try to register people or push for certain candidates.

And that's good. Excellent even. It's when you're pushing your beliefs on your students that politics in the class room becomes a problem

How do you determine what is pushing beliefs and what isn't, is simply stating your political inclinations grounds for termination, what about correcting students when they use false information to support their candidate. Outside of a teacher directly saying "you should vote x" it's difficult to determine what is pushing beleifs

It was wrong to have allowed this; and it's foolish to suggest the way to rectify it would be to repeat the same mistake from the other direction.

 youbedead wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
In 2000 we got bonus points for voting in our Government class, but other than facilitating in class discussion and mock debates the teachers didn't actively try to register people or push for certain candidates.

And that's good. Excellent even. It's when you're pushing your beliefs on your students that politics in the class room becomes a problem

How do you determine what is pushing beliefs and what isn't, is simply stating your political inclinations grounds for termination, what about correcting students when they use false information to support their candidate. Outside of a teacher directly saying "you should vote x" it's difficult to determine what is pushing beleifs

Saying anything about it at all. Teach the little ers how to read, write, and do that math thing first.