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As far as I know, it's entirely separate from the rest of your pledge, whether that's for starter sets or not.

What Rob has said is that after the KS they will take off that £10 from your pledge before it goes into the pledge manager, and they will create you a separate order for the drinking minis.

grefven wrote:
Euhm... what's the difference? Another weapon choice, is that it? And the "foot-on-the-stone" pose? :p

The head is also different, as it's missing the helmet. Plus they fixed his club foot.

Bossk_Hogg wrote:

grefven wrote:
Euhm... what's the difference? Another weapon choice, is that it? And the "foot-on-the-stone" pose? :p

The head is also different, as it's missing the helmet. Plus they fixed his club foot.

Only they didn't fix the foot! The club foot was more of a trademark for Mierce Miniatures than their "foot on a stone" pose imo.

I'm curious if anyone could comment on what they think of the "modified sculpt" route and results so far. I ask partly because it seems to me like certain sculptors might be hesitant to commit to chopping up their green and making changes to it, and that it might be difficult to pull off... luckily, I pledged for and received Erebius on Behema from Monstrous Mounts, but the riderless version Brontull seems to me like it would need major surgery (the platform is totally integrated).

In hindsight, sculpting the riderless version first makes more sense (they did this for the giant rat, Back-Cracker, and it looks amazing).

But in going back to sculpts like Shaaroc and making a lot of changes, it just seems like something I haven't seen done before, and I wonder if it's worth it...

Last page we discussed Nuala, and her alternate version with an added mask did not seem worth it, and the same goes for Enslaved Agriosavra. Do people like the modified sculpt route or is it unnecessary / would you rather see those funds put towards new sculpts (albiet fewer, since a totally new sculpt would cost more) or to other things?

Personally I'd rather see 'new' stuff, but I'm certainly OK with the 'modified' versions.

I think Mierce has already commented that they are rather 'quick' to do and seem to generate the necessary sales and such.

grefven wrote:

Bossk_Hogg wrote:

grefven wrote:
Euhm... what's the difference? Another weapon choice, is that it? And the "foot-on-the-stone" pose? :p

The head is also different, as it's missing the helmet. Plus they fixed his club foot.

Only they didn't fix the foot! The club foot was more of a trademark for Mierce Miniatures than their "foot on a stone" pose imo.

Who else has a club foot (as in deformed)? Kaairioc-cró kind of does, but I assume that's natural for whatever species it is, as he's a sea monster. I figured Shaaroc either had a birth defect or injury. It was neat and gave him character, so it makes sense the regular grymdraig wouldnt have it.

 RiTides wrote:
I'm curious if anyone could comment on what they think of the "modified sculpt" route and results so far. It seems to me like certain sculptors might be hesitant to commit to chopping up their green and making changes to it, and that it might be difficult to pull off... luckily, I pledged for and received Erebius on Behema from Monstrous Mounts, but the riderless version Brontull seems to me like it would need major surgery (the platform is totally integrated).

In hindsight, sculpting the riderless version first makes more sense (they did this for the giant rat, Back-Cracker, and it looks amazing).

But in going back to sculpts like Shaaroc and making a lot of changes, it just seems like something I haven't seen done before, and I wonder if it's worth it...

Last page we discussed Nuala, and her alternate version with an added mask did not seem worth it, and the same goes for Enslaved Agriosavra. Do people like the modified sculpt route or is it unnecessary / would you rather see those funds put towards new sculpts (albiet fewer, since a totally new sculpt would cost more) or to other things?

I'd assume that the sculptors don't chop up the original master, but rather take one of the resin masters. That would make more sense, and that is usually how the discussion goes when I raise the topic for my own project.

 Slinky wrote:
As far as I know, it's entirely separate from the rest of your pledge, whether that's for starter sets or not.

What Rob has said is that after the KS they will take off that £10 from your pledge before it goes into the pledge manager, and they will create you a separate order for the drinking minis.

Are they charging shipping separately for the drinking buddies minis or could you just get those shipped along the 'main' metals wave?

It hasn't been mentioned, so I assume that shipping is covered the same way as everything else. I think the separate order business is just so that Mierce can be sure that the 100 of each go to the people who ordered them, whereas if they added them as items in the pledge manager that wouldn't be the case.

 RiTides wrote:
I'm curious if anyone could comment on what they think of the "modified sculpt" route and results so far. I ask partly because it seems to me like certain sculptors might be hesitant to commit to chopping up their green and making changes to it, and that it might be difficult to pull off... luckily, I pledged for and received Erebius on Behema from Monstrous Mounts, but the riderless version Brontull seems to me like it would need major surgery (the platform is totally integrated).

In hindsight, sculpting the riderless version first makes more sense (they did this for the giant rat, Back-Cracker, and it looks amazing).

But in going back to sculpts like Shaaroc and making a lot of changes, it just seems like something I haven't seen done before, and I wonder if it's worth it...

Last page we discussed Nuala, and her alternate version with an added mask did not seem worth it, and the same goes for Enslaved Agriosavra. Do people like the modified sculpt route or is it unnecessary / would you rather see those funds put towards new sculpts (albiet fewer, since a totally new sculpt would cost more) or to other things?

They don't chop up greens. That would be foolish as it'd inevitably mean the master copy's gone (unless you're Daniel cockersell whose masters are destroyed as part of the moulding process). What they do is send casts for conversion. I've got marked galagaak from a previous kickstarter and he's much better than the original.

They do these conversion pieces because they are much cheaper than doing one fresh and so it's easier and more cost effective if you want to do kickstarter and show only pieces which is what Masked Nuala is. Plus, some of the muster entries have alternative weapons. Hammer Druc for example. Much cheaper to do the alternative weapon parts instead of a whole new piece. The new Sceroc piece also gives the Brythoniaid something new.

 Slinky wrote:
It hasn't been mentioned, so I assume that shipping is covered the same way as everything else. I think the separate order business is just so that Mierce can be sure that the 100 of each go to the people who ordered them, whereas if they added them as items in the pledge manager that wouldn't be the case.

Fair enough. I'm just not really prepared to spend 17 quid on a bit of a gimmick model (10 is bad enough!). Thanks.

Thanks for the thoughts on the modified sculpts guys. I guess it does make sense in that regard (i.e. if you're going to offer an exclusive, make it just part of a sculpt rather than the whole thing). Still would prefer no exclusives but I know that ship has sort of sailed on Kickstarter

In addition to that, at least these are more of a cutesy addition that hardly belongs on the battlefield; not anything that belongs even near the core of the range.
edit: I stand corrected. Dunno how that happened.

@Bolognesus -
Brunchaath on Gooracx is not a limited edition, he'll actually be released to the general public this month.

rush out and buy him (Brunchaath on Gooracx ),

he is most excellent.


On the subject of the KS exclusives I'm quite happy to have them, and in some cases prefer the altered version to the original

(eg I never felt the original Druc called to me, but Hammer Druc was a different matter)

I'd imagine they also mean that the stretch goals for some of the full sculpts (in the normal KS) can be somewhat smaller than they'd otherwise be which is a great thing

and in pure sales terms they can also give a reason to buy a host if you've already got some of the parts... it the host now comes with alternate versions it makes it much easier to justify duplicates

I was hoping this was an all metal line of miniatures, I miss metal minis, I actually preferred metal ones to the plastics... anyone know of a company that still does metal minis? exclusively that is.

Edited. and yes, pretty excellent model.

bitethythumb wrote:
I was hoping this was an all metal line of miniatures, I miss metal minis, I actually preferred metal ones to the plastics... anyone know of a company that still does metal minis? exclusively that is.

Chances are that most stuff on 60mm bases and smaller, which includes Warlords, Warchiefs, Infantry, Beasts and most monstrous infantry will make its way to metal at some point. The larger stuff will remain in resin due to it being easier to produce as well as being a bit more durable and able to hold its own weight. What caught your eye?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:


On the subject of the KS exclusives I'm quite happy to have them, and in some cases prefer the altered version to the original

(eg I never felt the original Druc called to me, but Hammer Druc was a different matter)

I'd imagine they also mean that the stretch goals for some of the full sculpts (in the normal KS) can be somewhat smaller than they'd otherwise be which is a great thing

and in pure sales terms they can also give a reason to buy a host if you've already got some of the parts... it the host now comes with alternate versions it makes it much easier to justify duplicates

I very much agree with this. For all the hosts, and army sets I've bought, it's nice to have a slightly different character to change things up. In many cases these are armored or unarmored versions of characters/beasts we already have, but in some cases they are posed slightly different (leaping, etc) or have different weapons (going from or to a banner bearer, etc). I especially like it when its a variant of a creature which you can take a small group of, such as GuthWulf, or a FellTroll, so you can have some variety within your unit.

Some of the conversions are simple, like Naara, and Helmed Naara, just have two different head pieces you can choose from. Others, like Galagaak, and Marked Galagaak, have a decent amount of new parts and modified parts.

In the past, it seemed like it was getting a bit out of control with all of them being exclusives, but I think Mierce will hopefully have them available to people in some way, shape or form in the future.

I'm reallly digging the idea of converting new creatures from old ones. The Murder bear, and graiffvin seem like they will be cool. And the idea of Romans with Giant lions is just AWESOME!

Wait until you see the battlecat version skullking ;o)

 RiTides wrote:


Last page we discussed Nuala, and her alternate version with an added mask did not seem worth it, and the same goes for Enslaved Agriosavra. Do people like the modified sculpt route or is it unnecessary / would you rather see those funds put towards new sculpts (albiet fewer, since a totally new sculpt would cost more) or to other things?

I'm split on the alt sculpts (in terms of what I prefer). I liked and ordered Masked Nuala and Feral Agathae. I picked up a 5 man unit of Taelu because it came with Tonsured Caedoc - I figured it was 15 pounds for Caedoc, or only 28 for Caedoc and 5 Taelu. I might not have even picked up the hooded version, so I guess they upsold me twice on that one! I instantly upped for the drinking Rollo as its a great concept.

However not all of the exclusives/alts do it for me. I'm getting the exclusive helmed Naraa with my Eye Ascendent unit and Unmasked Velchior with my fiend host, and prefer the regular versions. I bought a separate masked Velchior, and am luckily getting a helmed Naraa in metal with my Metal Age pledge.

I suppose it really depends on how much it costs for them to put out an alt model. No doubt the exclusivity drives sales from collectors, and offers a new take which might be someone's personal tipping point. I guess there's a slight chance it causes competition against the main model - which is probably why they make them exclusive. Overall I think it's probably worth it to them for the effort involved.

The Sipping Agathae just sold her to me I don't usually go for the alternatives (although I'm waiting for a few from New Kindreds to be sculpted), I don't even have any Byzantii for her to go with!

I'll be getting other starters from this kickstarter (go go Erainn, nearly there) so she might be on her own for a while poor lass.

Mierce Miniatures wrote:
Wait until you see the battlecat version skullking ;o)

If you're trying to appeal to my obvious 'Masters of the Universe' obsession, consider my interest piqued.

Was the stretch goal for the additional monstrous infantry a stealth add? I could have sworn that wasn't there before I left for class, but it is entirely possible I had a stroke.

I'm for them even from a gameplay perspective, as you could feasibly have several iterations of the same type of character. It also gives options to people that are using these for more RPG or campaign type purposes.

I just finished putting together my alternate sculpt of Flint Fang from the Banebeast campaign, and it really is a fun alt sculpt, considering how much they changed him up.

2 headed flamethrower rat with a power claw and a drill arm? Why not? I'd love to see more of these drastic changes.

Big changes like that make me want to own both.

another reveal for the future

Conjunct X for the Ysians (made of 6 different existing/planned minis), he's a big one so will be resin only when he shows up

That Conjuct is such a mess.

Perfect.

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