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After reading the new dex thoroughly, I've decided to collect an army based around my favorite ever 40k model.

I've read a lot of people slating his new rules set and that bile isn't an effective character anymore.

In combat, he's not that great, but this isn't why people should be taking him.

His biggest bonus is Enhanced Warrior squad. These guys are really really good.
They are one of the best troops choices in the game and are so incredibly versatile, that they can be taken to fit nearly every role.

Give them the MOK and the extra weapon and they become better than berserkers as they have range and are still good in cc at str5.
With MON they become tough to shift and incredibly resilient in cc.
With MOS they are faster than meq and have a great icon which also makes them tough to stop.
MOT just sucks here and serves no purpose.

As a basic troop choice, they have no equal imo.

As only one unit can be this awesome, which configuration would be the best and how many would you take in a unit?

They seem good if put as a blob and they are not too pricey for 20 guys.

For the rest of the army, I intend to go with a strong themed list to represent those experiments that haven't quite gone right:

Fabius - as himself.
Typhus - as a sort of monster that is really powerful, but is unique. Like a henchman.

Possessed - as those experiments that haven't quite gone right or have developed random mutations.
Terminators - other henchmen.
Helbrute - an enhanced warrior back from the dead.

Enhanced Warriors.
Zombies - as failed experiments.

Warp Talons or Raptors - flying experiments.

Obliterators - clearly some form of experiment.

Assorted vehicles.

Anyone got any pointers?

Give the enhanced CSM with the MOK the icon of wrath for S 6 on the charge with a reroll.

to buff one unit ,chaos gets a hq that does nothing in hth , doesnt buff the rest of the army , cant do challanges and most of all takes up an HQ slot for a lord or caster. I call that bad.

I've read a lot of people slating his new rules set and that bile isn't an effective character anymore.

and I dont think the anymore part is warented in anyway . he was never a good HQ ,in non of the chaos dex made till today.

He did get better with this codex, he was worse in the last one.

Enhanced warriors is a fun gimmick and if it's what the OP wants to play I'd say go ahead. At least he can see something good in the codex instead of 80% (estimated) of the CSM players who complain their asses off for what I think is a good codex. Good as in good, not OP.

OP how dare you go against public opinion and like something in the codex for shame sir...for shame!

I havent got the new codex yet but i will soon looking forward to bringing my iron warriors back to life with a few new demon engines to add some punch.

I dont want OP, hell i picked up necrons in 5th because they were reasonable and then 6th came out and i nearly cried as overnight my balanced army became hard as nails.

I already play SW i really didnt need another strong army.

Well, I completely avoided the gak that was the previous csm codex, so being the optimist that I am, I'm making good out of some of the stuff in the new one.

Btw... if you are doing Iron Warriors and you are going full on vehicles and Daemon Engines, you are in for a treat at 2k. 6 HS slots are sweeeeet.

yes i think bile is a great choice all of a sudden, a squad of 10-15 enhanced marines with mark of khorn or slaneesh, and they kick but. i wouldn't run a 20 blob tho, too expensive ... but omg free enhanced and no draw backs. the other 2 troops choices are cultists or minimal csm 5 man squad.

i would add typhus to my hq a well and make the cultists plague zombies, adn they can camp out objectives

add warp talons and havocs, put in a multi function unit of 5 chosen for bile to chill with and a unit of 5 nurgle termis for typhus and bang, you got a versital army thats fun to play in my opinion.

haters be damned lol, fluf and looks for the win

I really like Fabius (and the version I whacked into my Dark Eldar 'dex actually gets a big boost as he can only have 1 squad of csm there.)

But ultimately, I rather wanted to run an army of 60 enhanced warriors, the chance of insanity and suicide added to the fun!

Can't do that now, but ohwell. I've no problem with the rest of the book (probably because my only previous experience with csm is using fabius and 1 cut down csm squad) and look forward to bringing some massive daemon engines to the field (Forgefiends, Helldrakes and Defilers, oh my!)

Puscifer wrote:

Btw... if you are doing Iron Warriors and you are going full on vehicles and Daemon Engines, you are in for a treat at 2k. 6 HS slots are sweeeeet.

As an Iron Warriors player, I really do wish there was some way to shift an HS slot or two into FA though. If a Warpsmith could take a Maulerfiend as FA or Elites then it would be a much more attractive option. I love my Vindicators (when they work) but Heavy Support slots are at such a premium and so much of the new stuff is in that slot.

Also, the OP's idea for an experiment gone wrong army sounds fun. I'd like to see it!

 Brother SRM wrote:

Puscifer wrote:

Btw... if you are doing Iron Warriors and you are going full on vehicles and Daemon Engines, you are in for a treat at 2k. 6 HS slots are sweeeeet.

As an Iron Warriors player, I really do wish there was some way to shift an HS slot or two into FA though. If a Warpsmith could take a Maulerfiend as FA or Elites then it would be a much more attractive option. I love my Vindicators (when they work) but Heavy Support slots are at such a premium and so much of the new stuff is in that slot.

Also, the OP's idea for an experiment gone wrong army sounds fun. I'd like to see it!

Thanks.

I'm going to be putting up a list when I've got some time.

Brother, try Iron Warriors at 2k. I saw a brilliant army that just erased everyone at a FLGS. It had a lot of Daemon Engines, a couple of units of Obliterators and Vindicators. The amount of fire power that two Forgefiends had against Flyers was immense. They dropped two Stormraven in two turns, on top of a large amount of infantry. It had so much effective unit redundancy that the amount of firepower just meant that the opponents couldn't deal with it.

Chaos are incredibly shooty these days.

Makumba wrote:
to buff one unit ,chaos gets a hq that does nothing in hth , doesnt buff the rest of the army , cant do challanges and most of all takes up an HQ slot for a lord or caster. I call that bad.

I've read a lot of people slating his new rules set and that bile isn't an effective character anymore.

and I dont think the anymore part is warented in anyway . he was never a good HQ ,in non of the chaos dex made till today.

How does he do nothing in HTH? Granted, he attacks at S5 (not too shabby), but gets 5 attacks with a weapon that denies FNP. He has 3 wounds and gets FNP (it's not listed in his special rules but his gear provides it). Where does it say that he can't do challenges? Yes, he HAS to accept the challenges, but against a good amount of other characters, especially against non EW characters, he's going to do OK, especially with FNP. If even one of those attacks gets through on a multiple wound model, it's dead.

Fabius Bile is far from bad. The most points efficient HQ? Nah, but he saves one unit of CSM from having to take an icon of vengeance to get fearless that could easily be taken away with a sniped hit from a character or sniper. It would suck to have your 10 man squad caught up in a Sweeping Advance because you lost one guy in CC...no ATSKNF or Fearless can really suck in that circumstance.

FB is no auto-include by any means, but in a larger point game, especially at 2k points with a second FoC, he's not nearly as bad as you're trying to make him out to be.

Puscifer wrote:
Anyone got any pointers?

Sounds like an awesome themed force for me. Only pointer I would offer is with respect to modeling. Be sure to customize your army to bring forth the experimental nature of all the units. I think that would look really cool and could keep you busy for months coming up with new looks.

Don't let anyone squash your idea just because Fabius isn't the "perfect" HQ model. You have a cool idea so go with it!

Skriker

I was thinking Fabius and a squad of his enhanced warriors with MoK and extra ccw as allies to my renegade guard to get some CC goodness.

Yeah, I don't get why people think he's bad. Those enhanced warriors are awesome, and he is not too terrible in CC either. Without a power weapon he won't butcher large amounts or regular PA marines, but that instant death weapon makes multi-wound characters and monsters fear him.

I am seriously considering making a counts-as-Bile World Eaters apotechary.

 Crimson wrote:
Yeah, I don't get why people think he's bad. Those enhanced warriors are awesome, and he is not too terrible in CC either. Without a power weapon he won't butcher large amounts or regular PA marines, but that instant death weapon makes multi-wound characters and monsters fear him.

I am seriously considering making a counts-as-Bile World Eaters apotechary.

I do laugh when a WS5/S5 model is dissed for being no good in CC, especially when they also have the T, W and A stats to back up those other two.

It seems to be that if you can't insta-kill a model in terminator armor you are no good in hand to hand, which would pretty much mean that almost every melee concentrated unit would fail that measurement too.

Skriker

I've used the 20 man CSM fabius setup recently. I tossed in kharn because why not and it just steamrolled the enemy lines. Nothing like making that 11 inch charge do to re-roll!

If you're going to use fabius, then 20 csm, add CCW, khorn and the wrath icon, then go kill stuff. Add 2 melta guns for fun.

This looks rather promising. I'm still waiting on my CSM codex to get to me and have somehow resisted the urge thus far to... erm... find another copy of it to breeze through.

As I'm trying to find some way to really pique my interest, this looks like a promising, non-standard way to start looking at things.

 Skriker wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Yeah, I don't get why people think he's bad. Those enhanced warriors are awesome, and he is not too terrible in CC either. Without a power weapon he won't butcher large amounts or regular PA marines, but that instant death weapon makes multi-wound characters and monsters fear him.

I am seriously considering making a counts-as-Bile World Eaters apotechary.

I do laugh when a WS5/S5 model is dissed for being no good in CC, especially when they also have the T, W and A stats to back up those other two.

It seems to be that if you can't insta-kill a model in terminator armor you are no good in hand to hand, which would pretty much mean that almost every melee concentrated unit would fail that measurement too.

Skriker

Have to agree with you there.

 juraigamer wrote:
I've used the 20 man CSM fabius setup recently. I tossed in kharn because why not and it just steamrolled the enemy lines. Nothing like making that 11 inch charge do to re-roll!

If you're going to use fabius, then 20 csm, add CCW, khorn and the wrath icon, then go kill stuff. Add 2 melta guns for fun.

Oh, I like this idea. I'm going to have to give that a try.

Its one unit. One. Out of several in the army you'll fight.

Good luck chasing down venom spam or night scythes with your foot marines.

Kevlar wrote:
Good luck chasing down venom spam or night scythes with your foot marines.

Well, there's those pesky other units in the army. Isn't it great that Warhammer is not played in the vacuum Theoryhammer is?

Kevlar wrote:
Good luck chasing down venom spam or night scythes with your foot marines.

Good luck keeping those light armor value vehicles alive against my 115 point 4x autocannon havocs.
Good luck keeping those havocs alive against my veil/deathmarks.
Good luck keeping those veil deathmarks alive against my heldrake
Good luck keeping that heldrake alive against my 2x quad guns.
Good luck keeping this conversation going without sounding like 3 year olds.

The 20 enhanced marines squad is a good unit. It is point effective, has strong table presence, and is scoring. Yes it has a weakness. Every unit in the game does. That is what the rest of the army is for.

 Skriker wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
Anyone got any pointers?

Sounds like an awesome themed force for me. Only pointer I would offer is with respect to modeling. Be sure to customize your army to bring forth the experimental nature of all the units. I think that would look really cool and could keep you busy for months coming up with new looks.

Don't let anyone squash your idea just because Fabius isn't the "perfect" HQ model. You have a cool idea so go with it!

Skriker

Thanks Dude.

I got some epic ideas for the units and I will add some pics when I get around to modelling them.

A friend mentioned a crazy ass idea where my army could be a nod to the Scourge from WoW, before Wrath of the Lich King.

He mentioned using Typhus as The Lich King, Fabius as Putricide, who was one of the bosses. With the Zombies being used as Ghouls, the Enhanced Warriors as Death Knights and the Heldrake as a Frost Dragon of sorts.

I thought he was mad, but it's not a bad idea as a lot of the units in the WoW game can be represented in 40K.

A bit of creativity can get you a lot of wonderful places. I look forward to this project getting underway.

Kevlar wrote:
Good luck chasing down venom spam or night scythes with your foot marines.

Yeah and while the "foot marines" are stomping what comes out of those venoms on the ground, their havoc suport with flakk missiles will be shooting down the air force. Your point? There are plenty of points available after buying Fabius and his 20 marine strong unit of super marines to include everything you need for a balanced force on the table and shooting down the idea of an interesting unit just because it can't deal with threats it isn't DESIGNED to deal with in the first place is kind of silly.

Skriker